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  1. I sure so, for a moderator to tell people to stay on topic, you sure are a hypocritre. lol Where does it say that in Star Wars canon? But you forgot he was defeated under a circumstance, not through combat, you basically don't have a point. Its fact LOL you just made the most hilarious comment ever, if vader could ever even faced palpatine 1) He wouldn't have asked luke to join him to fight the emperor 2) He wouldn't have trained his secret apprentice 3)The rise and fall of darth vader has stated that he can never defeat his master and his is statd by the omniscient narrator. So a storm trooper can defeat darth sidious in a 1v1 combat situation? Keep making me laugh. Your arguing based on circumstances which won't occur for your precious revan. Hell your not even trying to argue revan's skill against palpatine, your taking examples of obi wan and anakin, vader and palpatine and trying to use it to say revan will beat palpatine the same exact way they are, because i don't care if they were based on cirumstances, simply because if you actually had common sense or the ability to reason logically, you would have stopped posting a long time ago and acknoledge that it is a fact that palpatine can beat revan. In spite of the cirsumstances, not due to head to head confrontation. And who's to say that revan can defend against techniques he has never seen or heard before? Yes but there is NOTHING to indicate revan will win. If you had logic you would have stoped posting already. How do you know it *will* happen? Because you want revan to win? How do i know it won't? Because there isn't indication of any. Revan does not know palpatine head to toe, revan has never seen palpatine before, palpatine has tooled darth vader on one occasion when vader attempted to attack palpatine and vader and revan are very closely tied in the force. So how do i know? Simply because common sense says that one won't occur given all the evidece. Seriously do you argue because you can argue or are argueing just to save face? Because he focused all of his hatred and anger onto luke skywalker being unaware that vader turned to the light side of the force? And many people from lucas arts said palpatine is superior to revan in every aspect of the force. Thats FACT. Oh but i DO know for sure it won't occur simply because there is nothing to indicate one will occur for your precious revan LOL so a storm trooper can defeat sidious in a lightsaber duel? So a weakling padawan can survive exar's amulet blasts and then proceed to pull a moon our of orbit and crash him? Keeo making me laugh Keyword situation . And sidious is a more intelligent fighter than revan too. Send revan and palpatine both at their peak and full concentration, don't make me laugh by telling me revan can beat palpatine that way. Possibility of winning? Again what indicates this possibility? What makes you so sure? Because obi wan got lucky in a duel and thus it should be used as a feat for revan? Then you should stop argueing with me because i won't stop arguing until you concede. Lol if he's asleep of course he can get wacked up, but according to RODV palpatine never sleeps and what? He is going to sleep halfway the fight so revan can take him down? Oh but there was, when palpatine ordered the star destroyers not to attack. Star wars insider? Lol and what indicates to you palpatine is going to "toy" around with a dangerous opponent? When he can sense revans dangerous powers? But unlikely considering the fact revan doesn't have shoes which habe shoe laces on them. Apparantly, he can accpet the fact sidious > revan but you on the other hand can't Your doing that at the moment, your arguing for something that cannot be hoped to be won, you sound like your arguing its possible for a skinny boy to fight mike tyson head to head in the ring when its clear mike is the victor. Again i won't deny that if a circumstance occurs but in most VS fights, we don't assume one because there wouldn't be any Lol your the only one making foolish assumptions "Oh t3h st0Rm Tr00P3r c@n d3f3@t $!d!0us !n a h3@d t0 h3@d b@tTl3" Due to a circumstance for each and every one of them, one which won't appear for revan simply because you think there would be one. Ample of revan defeating sidious? Lol, hilarious LOL the part where i said palpatine reduced 3 force users to bones is not canon? Go read ressurection. The part where palpatine killed 50-100 storm troopers? Go read empire volume 1: betrayal. Hell the quotes i posted and gave page numbers are canon And yours aren't? Its also fallacious to assume a circumstance will occur for your revan, given that there is nothing to even assume one will occur. Lol so your going to ban me for voicing my opinion? Look, i am entitled to my own opinions about star wars, and i support my claims with FACTS, you on the otherhand have nothing to indicate a circumstance will happen for revan, hell i can list all of them for your likes, and i want you to pick one of them and 'try' to input it in for revan @legend, ill give you a friendly and open minded discussion, not exactly a debate. We are arguing this sidious, but rogue nine wants an unlikely circumstance to happen for revan to win. Hell he even said a storm trooper can beat darth sidious in a head to head confrontation And despite being so powerful caedus is, I recall luke wtf pwning caedus in inferno with mere TK alone. And according to the invisible cover, jaina is contending with caedus. Before that he ordered his ships not to attack. They only began to attack after the emperor died, and that was when he lost grip of his batte meditation, proof he used it? Thrawn was talking about it in the thrawn trilogy. See the above Actually your right. See the above Im not denying that Than malak yes, than sidious? No. yea. Sigh, the DESB stated he has mastered all known powers, previous unknown powers and devises new ones at his pleasure . That means he mastered every aspect of the force. Let me elaborate, palpatine was on a quest to master every aspect of the force so he went to collect every artifact in the galaxy hence he has been stated to mastered all known powers, previous unknown powers and devises new ones at his pleasure . Also the fact that he met talsava, one of the traitor fallanasi's. Yes he can . At least you try to list down some feats so revan can contend with palpatine, i admire you for the fact you aren't doing what rogue nine and jambi are. All aspects of the force? Where was this stated? Or do you mean both aspects of the force, light and dark? So your saying that a turbo laser turrent is the *only* way to take him down? That turbo laser turret hardly destroyed or even damaged the hull, had revan taken a hit from an imperial star destroyer, he would have gotten killed. He certainly will, he might even want to take revan as his apprentice, but thats unlikely because he wants luke. They would die too, but they wouldn't be reduced to bones like palpatine did
  2. Theres enough evidence to declare palpatine a homo, which is why he touched anakin so much.
  3. Its called a "hobby", I read on star wars when i have spare time. I devote my time in movie manipulation thank you. It means revan has no chance against palpatine, the most revan can do is hold his own which he will eventually lose But that isn't a combat feat is it? Your making it sound as if vader beat palpatine in a 1v1 combat situation which he clearly can't. You make it sound like it is. No, but you make it sound that way. Seeing that vader beat palpatine in a circumstance, your trying to imply revan can do thesame Exactly You can assume, but do you have anything to back your claims? I on the other hand have the feats listed down. Again it was defeated by the rebel alliance under CIRCUMSTANCES, palpatine ordered the star destroyers NOT to attack the alliance because he wanted to show them the death star was operational, palpatine merely kept the empire at evens length with the alliance so that he can demonstrate the death stars powers. And its pretty much fact palpatine > revan, and its not just because of a few quotes, its also been a fact that he has more knowledge of the force than revan, that he is more skilled than revan, he has preformed techniques that revan can never defend against. If you actually had logic you wouldn't even try to argue against that. A circumstance won't happen for revan simply because you want him to win like anakin and obi wan, vader in ROTJ, and he empire's end. And what does that mean? That he was attacked when he wasn't aware of the dangers? Malak nearly killed revan on the leviathan didn't he? That he got put into a simple stasis field didnt he? That palpatine has more powerful techniques doesn't he? Again what does this prove? That palpatine is going to stand there and let revan kill him? That when palpatine is focusing on luke skywalker, revan is going to attack him when hes off guard? I can argue the same happens to revan. Under CIRCUMSTANCES, Again a circumstance won't appear for your precious revan because you simply want it to be. Was there a circumstance when vader tooled shady potkin? Was there a circumstance when revan faced malak on the star forge? Was there a circumstance when jacen faced onimi? No. If obi wan beat anakin due to his actual skill and raw power, then i'd acknowledge that as a feat. So your basically saying inferior people can beat superior force users? Right then i guess going by your logic, a storm trooper can kill darth sidious, a mere padawan can face exar kun head to head, that a droid can face darth vader head to head? Is that it? Or are you trying to imply that along with the fact that there were circumstances in those battles? And the fact that one won't occur because nothing hints so, -Revan has never seen the techniques palpatine has demonstrated before -Revan can't defend against an attack that can destroy his force bond. -Revan has never heard of the fallanasi looping technique which can hide sidious force bond making him invisible to revan in the force and physically. So the fact that i beat up mike tyson when he is asleep means i can beat up chuck liddel in the ring? If you actually acknowledged this you wouldn't even try to argue. There you go, the fact remains palpatine > revan in every aspect of the force, there are no circumstances to make it even plausible for revan to even harm the dark lord of the sith simply because palpatines a smarter fighter, a stronger fighter and a fighter who has techniques that revan cannot defend against. Hell even george lucas said to contend with sidious you have to be as powerful as yoda and according to the ROTS novel yoda has more power than any sith lord before sidious. Because sidious has instantly killed powerful force users with one blast of lightning, and the fact that he could destroy an entire star fleet with his force storm technique. Prove to me revan can beat palpatine without relying on your fanboyism, oh wait you have yet to even say how revan beats palpatine, you havn't listed anything neither have you prove anything, your asking me for proof when the burden of proof is on you. ^ You read this roguenine? Even he, darth hord whom frequently debates on killermovies, whom's favourite character is revan also can admit the fact that sidious beats revan, despite the fact that he wants it vice versa he still follows canon. YOU on the other hand just can't accept the fact that sidious defeats your revan, and the fact that there is NOTHING to indicate that revan can even beat sidious while on the other hand there is MORE than enough evidence and feats to prove that sidious WILL be the victor. You claim your not a fanboy of revan, but just because you say you are not, does not mean you are not a fanboy of revan, seeing that you keep argueing without anything to back your claims that revan will beat palpatine, you havn't even said how palpatine is going to lose to revan, like what technique revans going to use or how he is going to beat sidious in a saber duel. Everything indicates palpatine has more force knowledge and skill than revan, This is MORE than enough to put him the victor while on the otherhand, there is nothing to indicate a circumstance will occur. All the sources and feats make it clear palpatine is more powerful than revan, even you acknowledge this YET you still insist revan can beat him despite the fact there is NOTHING to back your claims.
  4. Which i already have Firstly it does, palpatine was stated to have mastered every aspect of the force and shown the ability to destroy an entire star fleet consisting of hundreds and thousands of warships with one single move, and apparantly that is a combat technique. As for vader "defeating" palpatine, it was due to palpatine being caught off guard, did you ever read the mandalorian armour novel? Palpatine instantly pwned darth vader after vader refused to obey palpatine, and palpatine merely used the force to shut down his life support system. That is NOT a defination of skill. So would i be considered the ultimate fighter if i went into the greatest fighter on eearths house to beat and then murder the guy? It does not make sense does it, just as you are not making any sense. And it does not have to be stated palpatine > revan simply because it can be logically assumed that way, seeing that palpatine has reduced three force isers to ashes with one blast of lightning while killing 100 storm troopers with that same lightning. And the fact that palpatine tooled 3 of the orders finest swordsman in history according to the G-canon ROTS novel. Based on the above concept, vader beat palpatine due to a circumstance. Not due to going toe to toe, and it can be argued that revan and vader are in the same leagues of the force. Everyone? No, The only person he can never beat is NJO luke skywalker of course, but other than luke, everybody elses fall. For your information, anakin of ROTS had yet to reach his full potential, and according to the novel obi wan was able to put up with the fight only due to him knowing anakins strategy and the fact that he had been in thousands of sparring matchs with anakin skywalker knowing his style head to toe. Your basically saying "Guy X cut down Guy Z in situation Y, it means that that Guy R can do it to Guy C in situation P" Right and according to the novel, obi wan defeated anakin under circumstances. Uh palpatine would annihilate vader, despite being 80% as powerful as he is, as for mace windu, it was due to mace's vaapad and shatter point and the fact that sidious has not fought for 13 years ever since he became chancellor, because by dark empire, sidious could move at speeds faster than the eye can see. Oh and name me a single force technique that revan canonically has that he can use against palpatine? Oh right he only has inferior powered techniques which palpatine can defend against, while on the other hand, palpatine has techniques that revan has never heard or seen before, such as the ability to destroy revans force bond which will instantly kill him, this is the same technique the great darth nihilus has. Oh and for your information, seeing that the ancient sith like marka ragnos needed technology to drain the force whereas palpatine replicated this technique without the aid of tools or technology, it pretty much proves how proficient palpatine is. Again, prove to me revan can defeat palpatine, prove to me revan can even harm him with the force.
  5. I am unimpressed by his/her sarcasm. Thats your opinion, facts point out sidious would beat revan and theres more than enough evidence to put so. You still insisting revan "might" beat palpatine only indicates you are a fanboy of revan despite the fact that i have listed all of palpatines feats which in a way makes him a cosmic being in the star was universe Even i would agree with S_w_legend, he makes it clear revans among the top force users, he doesn't say revan > sidious because he knows its sidious > revan which is fact. I debate with him all the time on killer movies and i tell you he has extreme bias for kotor characters, and even he can accept the fact that sidious does surpass revan(grudgingly), even with him i can come into agreements, such as vader losing to revan in a saber duel, or vader beating malak in a force fight. Ill ask you a question, do you think revan can contend with sidious as you want it to be if sidious cuts him off the force? I doubt so
  6. Firstly palpatine is NOT my favourite character, its darth vader/anakin skywalker obviously. I am merely stating the facts which are labeled canon which jedimasterjambi refuse to acknowledge and blatantly ignore. I wouldn't argue that vader is more powerful than revan because its a fact, but when facts and canon comes into the issue, sidious > revan.
  7. Even if you are which your clearly not, your not leland chee. Tell me the events of lego star wars actually took place in the actual star wars universe It isn't canon until its approved by the authories hence its called fan-fiction. Secondly you don't "toss" facts out as and when you like, because you do not establish nor do you control the canonical events of star wars, you don't label what is canon, neither do you to discredit them. You are NOT a lucasarts employee and even if you are you do not have the right tto change the meaning of canon unless your daniel wallace, drew karpyshyn or leland chee, the one man who decides whats canon what whats not. Lol and he actually praised dark empire, so i guess its G-canon or if you want "1st degree canon" Lucas never said anything about kotor, so i guess its non canon by your logic Not welcomed because you caused more confusion According to leland chee in his blog, your defination of canon holds no water Are the entries in the Holocron sorted as canonical & non-canonical? Are there various degrees of "officialness"? The database does indeed have a canon field for each individual entry and for sources, though the canon level of the entry would overide the canon level of the source since it factors in other sources associated with that entry. When determining canon levels for individual entries, anything in the films and from George Lucas (including unpublished internal notes that we might receive from him or from the film production department) is considered "G" canon. Next we have what we call continuity "C" canon which is pretty much everything else from the EU. There is a secondary "S" continuity classification used for older published materials created when there was less attention to making everything in the EU fit with everything else in the EU. But, if it is referenced in something else it becomes "C". Similarly, any "C" canon entry that makes it into the films can become "G" canon. Lastly there is non-continuity "N" which we rarely use except in the case of a blatant contradiction. Any contradictions that arise are dealt with on a case-by-case basis. http://blogs.starwars.com/holocron/4 G-canon is "George Lucas" canon; the six Episodes and anything directly provided to Lucas Licensing by Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon. When the matter of changes between movie versions arises, the most recently released editions are deemed superior to older ones, as they correct mistakes, improve consistency between the two trilogies, and express Lucas's current vision of the Star Wars universe most closely. C-canon is "continuity" canon, consisting of all recent works (and many older works) released under the name of Star Wars: books, comics, games, cartoons, non-theatrical films, and more. Games are a special case, as generally only the stories are C-canon, while things like stats and gameplay may not be; they also offer non-canonical options to the player, such as choosing female gender for a canonically male character. C-canon elements have been known to appear in the movies, thus making them G-canon; examples include the name "Coruscant," swoop bikes, Quinlan Vos, Aayla Secura, YT-2400 freighters and Action VI transports. . There you go, he defines canon, you don't.
  8. Im sorry but you don't establish canon, you are not a lucasarts employee and you do not define canon. Even wookiepedia says your wrong, how on earth is lego star wars going to fit into any of the categories? Instead of clearing up the "confusion", you only caused more confusion. How does fan fiction fall into any of the canon categories? Canon basically means what has happened in the timeline and has been approved by the authories, so tell me why is it called fan fiction? Because it is NOT canon. So your bascically saying a moderator from this forums can make up a character and declare it "1st degree canon"?.
  9. Friend if you actually understood the term canon, G-canon > C-canon. Oh and how does comparing revan to the movie de-canonise him? Hell that has never happened friend. You don't even know what your talking about. But theres nothing to indicate an ewok is more powerful than revan friend, if you actually used logic and used your brain, it is clear that revan is more powerful than an ewok because there is absolutely nothing to prove an ewok > Him. You aren't making sense because your resorting to blatant fanboyism, You have not even said why revan is more powerful. You have not even listed his feats to even try. On the other hand, there is everything from BOTH g-canon and c-canon to prove sidious > your revan. G-canon basically means the highest form of canon friend, G-canon is "George Lucas" canon; the six Episodes and anything directly provided to Lucas Licensing by Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon. When the matter of changes between movie versions arises, the most recently released editions are deemed superior to older ones, as they correct mistakes, improve consistency between the two trilogies, and express Lucas's current vision of the Star Wars universe most closely. Oh and the revenge of the sith novel is G-canon according to lucas because it is connected to the movies, and the novel itself already stated that yoda is more powerful than any other sith lord whom have already existed. Palpatine > yoda. Palpatine > revan Incase you don't know what C-canon which KOTOR and DE is, heres the quote C-canon is "continuity" canon, consisting of all recent works (and many older works) released under the name of Star Wars: books, comics, games, cartoons, non-theatrical films, and more. Games are a special case, as generally only the stories are C-canon, while things like stats and gameplay may not be; they also offer non-canonical options to the player, such as choosing female gender for a canonically male character. C-canon elements have been known to appear in the movies, thus making them G-canon; examples include the name "Coruscant," swoop bikes, Quinlan Vos, Aayla Secura, YT-2400 freighters and Action VI transports. There you go, thats canon. You CAN compare a movie character to an EU character. You can see logic? But the question is do you actually use logic? And how am i a palpatine fanboy when im stating the facts? When im taking up various sources to actually back me up? When you on the other hand have nothing to back your claims which would be essential? I said palpatine is the strongest sith, yet i backed them up with quotes from official sources which are declared canon by lucasarts, what have you done so far? Yet your trying to discredit canon sources which their canon status has not been renounced. Id love to see your sorry attempts in trying to discredit sources when you can't. You are just ignoring them. Period LOL! You don't even know the term canon. Who ever said DE is G-canon? Comics and books and games fall under the C-canon category which are still canon. Not G-canon Its not any "less" canon because his statement in the new essential chronology has been reviewed by LFL and lucasarts and received the C-canon status. Sorry, it isn't less canon than you want it to be. Just as how Leland chees opinion of the exile being a lady has been made canon as it was stated in the same book and the ultimate visual guide. Ok. Your point? But its still C-canon, as kotor is. You on the otherhand can't accept the simple fact that its canon and that theres proof against your claims in the first place, so your trying to say dark empire isn't canon which it clearly is. Because going by what you said. Legacy of the force book series shouldn't be canon, because jacen becomes darth caedus. If you actually understood the prophecy of the chosen one, it basically means anakin destroying the sith. And we saw the sith die out in the movies, but nothing indicates or states the chosen one destroying the sith permanently. Yet you tried to make it out as if your lightsaber form is the only factor in beating your opponent. Oh but i can, simply by the feats i listed down. When has revan ever mind trick millions of people? When has revan ever been shown to use lightning which can kill his opponents? When has revans lightning ever been shown to reduce people to ashes like palpatines lightning? When has revan ever destroyed a surface of an entire planet? When has revan ever destroyed an entire star fleet for technique? The thing is, you can't prove anything. And according to darth maul in TPM, sidious could move at speeds faster than the eye can see, that the slightests twitch by maul would get him killed. So don't assume that he uses juyo when nothing indicates it. Prove revan has the same abilities as palpatine, seeing that it was stated the only force user who ever had the force storm technique was emperor palpatine and revan on the other hand never demonstrated any abilities similar to palpatine. really all iv seen revan do in the cut scenes is choke an officer and force lightning. By the way, even if revan did have the juyo form, what indicates to you he is on the same level as palpatine? Seeing that palpatine tooled 3 jedi masters whom were described as the orders best jedi swordsman in the last 25 000 years. Palpatine on the other hand has mastered every aspect of the force, he has mastered every single force technique and can use them to a degree to instantly slay his victims, just like how palpatine killed a jedi instantly in empire's end. Oh and if many critical points were lost on lightsaber dueling, mace windu wouldn't have even mastered the juyo form and further more invent a new style which has been dubbed "The deadliest form against dark siders". If your referring to the force, there is nothing to back you up. Infact seeing that technology is getting more advanced, so are force techniques. Tell me jambi, what "knowledge" has been lost between the four thousands years? Because the events of malachor V and the star forge battle in the essential guide to the force was narrarated by emperor palpatine. If your so fond about using canon, you shouldn't even have mentioned legacy of the force in your last post because it too has a sith lord by the name of darth caedus. Hypocrite. The Dark Empire Sourcebook states (p. 39) that "Palpatine has spent decades studying the most arcane and esoteric Jedi disciplines. It is believed that he has mastered nearly all the known powers, previously unknown powers, and devises new ones at his pleasure". It goes on to list the following powers: Absorb/dissipate energy, accelerate healing, control pain, detoxify poison, enhance attribute, hibernation trance, rage, reduce injury, remain conscious, resist stun, short-term memory enhancement, combat sense, danger sense, instinctive astrogation, life detection, life sense, magnify senses, receptive telepathy, sense Force, sense path, injure/kill, telekinesis, farseeing (i.e., prescience and clairvoyance), lightsaber combat, projective telepathy, accelerate another's healing, control another's pain, feed on dark side, Force lightning, inflict pain, return another to consciousness, transfer Force, affect mind, control minds, create Force storms, Dopplegänger, drain life essence, enhanced coordination, telekinetic kill, transfer life, and dim another's senses. Three notable powers subsequently introduced which he almost surely possessed include the forbidden Jedi arts of malacia and mortichro (ref. the Databank) and the Sith discipline mechu-duru (ref. "The Emperor's Pawns"); one notable exception is the creation of Sith zombies, which he has been specifically stated not to have known (as detailed in the Wizards of the Coast web site's entry on Korriban). Generally speaking, however, it is a reasonable assumption that the Galactic Emperor either possesses a given ability, or could easily learn it. The most intriguing demonstrations of his power are the circumstances surrounding the burial of HIMS Lusankya on Imperial Centre (some speculate that he "clouded men's minds" à la Shadow) and the circumstances surrounding the arrival of General Skywalker on Byss (which involved the Emperor opening a wormhole in hyperspace and projecting a Force storm across possibly thousands of light years, and somehow physically depositing General Skywalker in the hold of a Lictor-class dungeon ship with the Force storm, suggesting that he is in fact capable of teleportation). Keyword, exceptional, not extraordinary like palpatine. Your point? Your just pasting random quotes which even you don't want to interpret or back your point. That does not prove revan > palpatine. My opinion isn't fact, but the quotes i listed from you from various sources are fact. Oh and palpatines not the combat sith lord? What makes you say that? Because he hasn't fought from AOTC to ROTS? Then if he is so weak as you say, how did he -Destroy an entire starfleet with the force -Cause an unbalance in the force -Destroy a surface of the planet -Drain the entire planet of byss -Kill 100 storm troopers with lightning without effort -Reduce 3 force users to ashes with one blast of lightning -Been stated to be the most powerful sith lord ever by countless sources which you refuse to acknowledge because it is proof against your claims. On and i'm going to list the quotes again, which are fact page 109 from the Dark Empire sourcebook: Palpatine has risen from the dead. [/b]The most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived had returned.[/b] Empire's End, one of the ancient Sith spirits: He gave up everything to the Dark Side long ago. He has become the greatest who ever lived. He is the strongest who ever lived....I say we give what he wishes. Star Wars Insider, Kevin J. Anderson, upon asked if he ever intended his Sith to be stronger than the OT sith: No. Exar Kun, Naga Sadow and the others are on a firmly lower tier than Emperor Palpatine. On TFN.net, official response to the strongest Sith: Palpatine at his peak. Essential Chronology: the most powerful Sith who had ever lived, Emperor Palpatine had returned from the grave. -- Death Star, page 76.(This recently came out) "The Rebels were turning out to be more troublesome than many had expected. The Emperor had known it would be thus, of course; the resistance had not been a surprise to him. The Emperor was completely in concert with the dark side of the Force. He was the most powerful Sith to have ever existed. -- The New Essential Chronology, page 84 Yoda could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history. -- The Complete Visual Dictionary, page 72 Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting."
  10. Lol? Do you know G-canon > all? That G-canon = what george lucas said? If you can't even know the fact that what george lucas says is supreme g-canon. Nobody is going to take you seriously at all which has been the case. Theres also the ROTS commentary where it was stated PT jedi > Kotor jedi Oh and the jedis the palpatine annihilated were described to be the entire orders(From the first jedi to the current era) greatest swordsman. No it does not, Oh wait if it does it means palpatine is even more powerful seeing he replicated a feat which the great marka ragnos needed technology to do, draining force energy. Im not bias, im stating the facts, you on the other hand admitted your a revan fanboy and cannot accept the fact that it has been official that sidious > revan. Did i say that? Oh but it has the same level of canon, the new essential chronology states this. Leland chee, the one who establish canon states this in his blog on star wars.com. The ultimate visual guide states its canon. For your information, dark empire came out before the concept of the chosen one seeing it came out of 1992. However its still canon, accept it and move on with life. You sir are not a lucasarts employee, you DO NOT define canon nor do you discredit, because recent books like the new essential chronology dictated the events of dark empire and has received canon status. Firstly leland chee has the authority to remove canon status and at the same time give it, and secondly DE is C-canon, Not g-canon. Even if lucas didn't give it G-canon simply because it wasnt a movie, it still classified as c-canon and thus it means palpatine > your precious revan. Hell i can even name you feats that make revan look weak that palpatine has demonstrated. Oh wait got nothing on the movies? Then i guess kotor too got nothing on the movies seeing that it is classified in the same category as the NEC under C-canon. You got it from wookiepedia, so whats your point? That it means kotor jedi > Mace windu because they use the same form? So? That wouldn't do any good against a stronger dueler. Oh and darth maul uses juyo according to star wars insider and according to various sources, palpatine > maul. If your trying to say "Because kavar knows juyo, it means he is more powerful than mace windu". Then your simply wrong, lets take a look at djem so and makashi, If the lightsaber form you use is the only factor then i don't see why a weakling such as AOTC anakin have no problems taking dooku down, simply because of his lightsaber form as you just implied. However as to why he tooled dooku in ROTS, its because he got more skills than before, he succefully mastered the form to its highest degree. My point? Skill is what it takes to defeat your opponent, regardless of what form as it is only a mere advantage. Evident by count dooku defeatng mace windu in the clone wars when supposidly vaapad/juyo > makashi. Very safe to bet? Can you prove it? Can you prove kavar taught him? Hell and according to the kotor 2 flashback in the sith tomb, revan was shown to be a jar kai practitionar where people like count dooku have an easy time against. Oh and palpatine is a frequent user of juyo friend, seeing that it was stated by your precious wookiepedia. And palpatine was described to be moving so fast that the eye couldn't see him. Oh and have you heard of the fallanasi technique which sidious has mastered? It hides your force bond which hides your force sensitivity. Your precious revan wouldn't be able to detect him or sense him through the force. So sidious is virtually invisible to revan via the force. Nothing indicates he is even close given the feats palpatine has done through the force. -Destroying an entire star fleet with a force storm technique being described to be the most powerful technique -His force storm was stated to be able to rip out and destroy a planets surface according to the essential guide to the force -He effortlessly killed 100 storm troopers with one blast on lightning while diverting the blast of lightning from killing his own men. -The same lightning which reduced 3 force users powerful enough to ressurect maul from the dead to charred ashes. -Being able to mind trick the entire planet of coruscant making them forgot they saw the lusankya. Oh and incase you didn't see what i typed or the fact that you ignored them: page 109 from the Dark Empire sourcebook: Palpatine has risen from the dead. [/b]The most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived had returned.[/b] Empire's End, one of the ancient Sith spirits: He gave up everything to the Dark Side long ago. He has become the greatest who ever lived. He is the strongest who ever lived....I say we give what he wishes. Star Wars Insider, Kevin J. Anderson, upon asked if he ever intended his Sith to be stronger than the OT sith: No. Exar Kun, Naga Sadow and the others are on a firmly lower tier than Emperor Palpatine. On TFN.net, official response to the strongest Sith: Palpatine at his peak. Essential Chronology: the most powerful Sith who had ever lived, Emperor Palpatine had returned from the grave. -- Death Star, page 76.(This recently came out) "The Rebels were turning out to be more troublesome than many had expected. The Emperor had known it would be thus, of course; the resistance had not been a surprise to him. The Emperor was completely in concert with the dark side of the Force. He was the most powerful Sith to have ever existed. -- The New Essential Chronology, page 84 Yoda could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history. -- The Complete Visual Dictionary, page 72 Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting." Fortunately, id argue that revan is in the top 5 and exar kun possibly being number two. But according to fact . Palpatine IS the number 1. YOUR the one being unreasonble. And i would consider asking you to actually read the comments posted and canon facts that palpatine > revan.
  11. And which sith is greater than palpatine after he died? Right, NONE Right and darth bane called krayt a weakling and a pretender sith, sorry, canon states palpatine > all May be more powerful? You got to be kidding, Obi wan whom would easily get crushed by the emperor destroyed darth krayt on tatooine with little effort. And palpatine has revans knowledge and that of the entire galaxy from 25 000 bby, Face it, its canon, its fact. Palpatine > revan. Even lucas says so. If you actually read what i just posted you wouldn't have even came out with an absurd claim which has nothing to back you up.
  12. Firstly we don't need GL to state weather whos the most powerful or not, it's obvious whos the most powerful by the feats he has accomplished and in this case, its emperor palpatine. Hell and the ROTS novel stated yoda > any dark sider before sidious, meaning that he is more powerful than revan and already lucas said to compete with palpatine you have to be as powerful as yoda or have vaapad and shatterpoint as mace does. And before you say the old jedi and sith > the new ones because you think so, your wrong clearly as lucas refers the PT jedi "Prime of the jedi". Oh and as for the ancient sith being more powerful? You got to be kidding, many of their feats had to be aided by technology. Naga sadow, the most infamous ancient sith did nothing with the force other than throw a brick at his opponent. Marka ragnos, dubbed the most powerful ancient sith lord had to use a scepter so he could drain force energy from only certain areas. Emperor palpatine on the other hand as of return of the jedi was able to replicate this technique without the use of tools and he was able to do it to drain the entire planet of byss. It was even said that palpatines mere presence in the force caused an unbalance due to his incredible power. Now during the construction of the lusankya on coruscant, people would have obviously seen the ship getting built and palpatine wanted this a secret, guess what he did? He was stated to mind trick the inhabitants of coruscant making them forget what they saw permanently, and the inhabitants of coruscants are in the billions . And when i post canon statements backed by sources, its approved by lucas arts thus receiving the canon status, GL doesn't have to give a statement UNLESS it contradicts the movies, as for dark empire. the canon status still remains because 1) Lucas actually admired the book 2) Its data has been inputed in the new essential chronology 3) Its data has been inputed in the ultimate visual guide 4) Leland chee, keeper of the holocrons of star wars .com still stated it was canon. Now, the quotes as follows. Page 109 from the Dark Empire sourcebook: Palpatine has risen from the dead. The most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived had returned. Empire's End, one of the ancient Sith spirits: He gave up everything to the Dark Side long ago. He has become the greatest who ever lived. He is the strongest who ever lived....I say we give what he wishes. Star Wars Insider, Kevin J. Anderson, upon asked if he ever intended his Sith to be stronger than the OT sith: No. Exar Kun, Naga Sadow and the others are on a firmly lower tier than Emperor Palpatine. On TFN.net, official response to the strongest Sith: Palpatine at his peak. Essential Chronology: the most powerful Sith who had ever lived, Emperor Palpatine had returned from the grave. "The Rebels were turning out to be more troublesome than many had expected. The Emperor had known it would be thus, of course; the resistance had not been a surprise to him. The Emperor was completely in concert with the dark side of the Force. He was the most powerful Sith to have ever existed. -- Death Star, page 76. Yoda could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history." -- The New Essential Chronology, page 84 Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting." -- The Complete Visual Dictionary, page 72 ^ All these are approved by lucasarts and have received the canon status meaning its fact . And for your information, according to the essential guide of the force . Palpatine was narrating the events of the jedi civil war and the events on malachor meaning he was aware of revans existence, and also according to various sources, he has countless ancient sith holocrons which gave him access the incredibly powerful techniues, such as destroying a force bond between his victims and the force which kills them instantly, this is the same identical technique nihilus has. He is also the gatekeeper of the telos holocron which has been passed down from these people listed * Darth Sidious * Ajunta Pall * Qordis * Seviss Vaa * Kla * Darth Bane * Naga Sadow * Komok-Da * Count Dooku
  13. According to the new essential chronology revan is a lightsider
  14. Excuse me? Any one with the force? Sorry but luke and sidious > nihilus. Both of them have the fallanasi technique which will defend against nihilus force severing ability. Firstly he doesn't "kill worlds", He just feeds on whats on the worlds, and nothing indicates that he kills them "in nearly no time at all" other than speculation
  15. It is unknown what happened to the tablet, kreia only speculated he could have taken it. And kreias a fallible character because she has never seen the ancient sith fight at all nor met tulak. The only time we see the ancient sith actually fighting is between naga and ludo, the only thing we have seen the ancient sith lord to is throw a brick with the force and knock his opponent out. @ A lil side note Vader was very powerful to a point that the ancient sith saluted him due to his powers and not greatness and built him a throne alongside them on korriban, this can be seen in empires end when palpatine communicated with the ancient sith spirits. Ajunta pall also saluted revan and im sure he admired revans power. This is another thing which indicates to me that in terms of pure power and strength, revan and vader are prehaps on par with one another Oh yes to any moderators who are reading this, may i request we go off topic a lil while staying on topic? It makes this discussion much more intresting
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