IG-64 Posted May 25, 2004 Share Posted May 25, 2004 I watched Citizen Kane last night, and would like to ask. Why in the heck does everyone say this is the best movie ever made!? It bored me to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acrylic Posted May 25, 2004 Share Posted May 25, 2004 http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hv&cf=info&id=1800020981&intl=us they all like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_dog no.3 Posted May 25, 2004 Share Posted May 25, 2004 If you think that's bad watch Lawrence of Arabia. It has some good cinematography, acting and directing, I'll give it that much. Unfortunately the film is STILL boring as hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted May 25, 2004 Share Posted May 25, 2004 I can't even believe this discussion is happening ... ... I weep for the future ... Seriously though - I find the inverse to be true. The newer generation is immediately bored with anything black & white, without thrashing guitar, without big-boom or over-the top action or CGI. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie™ Posted May 25, 2004 Share Posted May 25, 2004 Originally posted by txa1265 Seriously though - I find the inverse to be true. The newer generation is immediately bored with anything black & white, without thrashing guitar, without big-boom or over-the top action or CGI. What? I loved Ed Wood, and it's in black and white without any of the things you mentioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermie Posted May 25, 2004 Share Posted May 25, 2004 Originally posted by txa1265 I can't even believe this discussion is happening ... ... I weep for the future ... Seriously though - I find the inverse to be true. The newer generation is immediately bored with anything black & white, without thrashing guitar, without big-boom or over-the top action or CGI. Mike Schindlers list is one of the best movies I have ever seen, and im 15 I saw Citizen Cane once, but it was a long time ago, so i dont remember any of it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_dog no.3 Posted May 25, 2004 Share Posted May 25, 2004 Yeah I like Schindler's List too. It's #10 on my top 10 list. And Godfather's #4. It's just that Kane and Lawrence of Arabia don't have interesting characters or situations. Films like Godfather and LOTR are 3+ hours in length but it's justified because we give a sh*t about what's going on. I doubt many people today would care about what's going on in 'Arabia. OK, so he's wondering around the desert with some beautiful cinematography. So what? He's been doing that for about an hour and pretty much nothing of note of note has happened. The most boring bit is the end, although by then I was half-asleep so I may be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IG-64 Posted May 26, 2004 Author Share Posted May 26, 2004 Originally posted by txa1265 I can't even believe this discussion is happening ... ... I weep for the future ... Seriously though - I find the inverse to be true. The newer generation is immediately bored with anything black & white, without thrashing guitar, without big-boom or over-the top action or CGI. Mike For you information Mr. I'm Old and All-knowing I've watched my fair share of old movies, there are tons of better movies, old and new, that are better that citizen kane. Even my mom, who watches old, B&W movies all the time thought that it was boring crap. What about Rebecca? What about the classics with Vincent Price? Now it's my turn. What's with the hate of all things computer? Anything with CGI is instantly worthless crap. It's making the way for more fantasy movies. CGI can work wonders if done correctly. Like Jurrasic Park, Terminator 2, AotC, and LotR, with Gollum, and Balrog, and the fell beast, and all the massive armies. I don't like movies just because they have CGI, just because its "technology". I don't like movies just for their "flaring guitars" or over-the-top action, just because it's "cool". I know when a move is a good movie, i'm not just a druggie with a mohawk and tattoos. The new generation is not so blind as you may think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 Originally posted by IG-64 I watched Citizen Kane last night, and would like to ask. Why in the heck does everyone say this is the best movie ever made!? It bored me to death. ok. IG, pray tell...what is *your* idea of the "best movie ever made...... *waits in suspense* also, you really need to clarify, Citizen Kane is definitely one of the greatest American movies ever made. Im still partial to Kurosawa's work, particularly Ran, Rashomon, which also float around critics top 100s list... CK is unique for its time, almost mind blowing, you have to realise that. You have to think about the way Hollywood worked back then, the studio system, where the role of producers and directors was far from what it is today. Orson Welles is *the man* who revolutionised Hollywood. He truly was the pioneering director auteur. If it wasnt for OW, then people like George Lucas, Martin Scorsese, Francis Coppola, Steven Speilberg, David Lynch etc may bever have been. In a very weird and perverted sense, *some* of Hollywood seems to have reverted to the studio driven "churn em and burn em" attitude to film-making....... but that's another debate altogether... also, just because it is critically acclaimed as a great cinematic work, doesnt mean its entertaining, especially to teenagers.... as disturbingly serious as even you seem IG.... ...and Vincent Price movies, entertaining yes, revolutionary cinema masterpieces...ummm NO ....Rosebud.... I always giggle at that, as Rosebud is a gorgeous little seaside place in my part of Australia mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IG-64 Posted May 26, 2004 Author Share Posted May 26, 2004 Originally posted by Astrotoy7 ok. IG, pray tell...what is *your* idea of the "best movie ever made...... *waits in suspense* also, you really need to clarify, Citizen Kane is definitely one of the greatest American movies ever made. Im still partial to Kurosawa's work, particularly Ran, Rashomon, which also float around critics top 100s list... CK is unique for its time, almost mind blowing, you have to realise that. You have to think about the way Hollywood worked back then, the studio system, where the role of producers and directors was far from what it is today. Orson Welles is *the man* who revolutionised Hollywood. He truly was the pioneering director auteur. If it wasnt for OW, then people like George Lucas, Martin Scorsese, Francis Coppola, Steven Speilberg, David Lynch etc may bever have been. In a very weird and perverted sense, *some* of Hollywood seems to have reverted to the studio driven "churn em and burn em" attitude to film-making....... but that's another debate altogether... also, just because it is critically acclaimed as a great cinematic work, doesnt mean its entertaining, especially to teenagers.... as disturbingly serious as even you seem IG.... ...and Vincent Price movies, entertaining yes, revolutionary cinema masterpieces...ummm NO ....Rosebud.... I always giggle at that, as Rosebud is a gorgeous little seaside place in my part of Australia mtfbwya "at the time" and the "went through this to make it" just doesn't cut it for me. It was boring and in no way presents to me or my family as the best movie ever made. If it were me, I'd say Ben Hur, or LotR. If it wasn't meant to be entertaining, then it's just stylized crap. I'm sorry, but if a movie is going to be the best ever made, it has to be entertaining. "Revolutionary" and "pioneering" do not equal best movie ever made when it bores you to death. You can sit here and talk about "director" this and that, but if it doesn't have the entertainment value that movies are made for, then it's not the best ever. Like my mom said (shes an artist) there were many great painters that opened up new grounds for art, but you can't say that they're the best painters just because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 Originally posted by IG-64 Mr. I'm Old and All-knowing Thanks for using my full title What about Rebecca? What about the classics with Vincent Price? Well, Hitchcock's work was absolutely great. But Vincent Price's movies?!?! What's next - "where's teh luv for 'THEM!'" (just kidding)? I love the Vincent Price movies - they were a staple of my youth. Now it's my turn. What's with the hate of all things computer? Anything with CGI is instantly worthless crap. What - are you kidding me?!? Since when have I presented myself as anti-technology? I prefer CGI Yoda, for instance. I love the use of technology in movies. Look at Tron, Last Starfighter, and even Star Wars itself. I have been a techno-geek since when it was really unfashionable to be one (fortunately for me I don't look too much the part ) I don't like movies just because they have CGI, just because its "technology". I don't like movies just for their "flaring guitars" or over-the-top action, just because it's "cool". I know when a move is a good movie, i'm not just a druggie with a mohawk and tattoos. The new generation is not so blind as you may think. I never made any claims as to your tastes. But diffferent movies have different 'feel' and pacing, and many older movies took their time to develop the story. Movies today are made largely around the channel-flipping, reality-TV watching, instant fame-and-gone mindset, with shortened attention spans. Movies like 'My Dinner With Andre', a fave of mine growing up, wouldn't be in a 'normal' theater today, because they are clogged with 6 screens of Shrek (which my whole family enjoyed, BTW), 4 each of Van Helsing and Troy ... Taste does matter, but there is also an appreciation to be made for the context of time. For example - Vivaldi bores the crap out of me. I have never been much of a fan of his stuff. I even bought an album of the Four Seasons because I knew I should appreciate it. But ultimately I knew that work of the classical, romantic and modern era were more my style. But I've studied Vivaldi, I appreciate his work. I also understand the harmonic limitations of his day. Is he to be penalized for not living in the post-modern expressionistic period? I don't think so. There are plenty of other examples - Metropolis, Nosferatu ... I love those. I don't know what you think about them, or if you've seen them. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 Originally posted by IG-64 if a movie is going to be the best ever made, it has to be entertaining. There I challenge you. I think that there is a case to be made that there are things made to entertain and those made to stimulate and challenge you intellectually. There are things that hand you the experience (like LotR, no disrespect) and things you need to draw it out from (like Stardust Memories, for example). And your mother the artist should also realize that the artists who pave the way should be paid their respects, because there must have been something in their work - not just the idea, but an actual expression of that idea - that pushed the boundary. So perhaps not best ever, but certainly great. And, really, the whole idea of 'best ever' is pretty much crap anyway. I see Citizen Kane as being in the pantheon of film accomplishments, along with many other great works from around the world. ... but most of my favorite films do not occupy a place in that pantheon of greatness - they're just fun movies I love. Like the whole Star Wars collection. Just because it is great doesn't mean you'll like it either. Look at music. Do you think that if greatest all-time piece of music was compiled that anything from the rock era would or should be in the top 25? Does that matter for what you enjoy? Doesn't for me. I like what I like and don't get hung up on what others think ... until they get hung up on forcing labels ... like best ever. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IG-64 Posted May 26, 2004 Author Share Posted May 26, 2004 Originally posted by txa1265 There I challenge you. I think that there is a case to be made that there are things made to entertain and those made to stimulate and challenge you intellectually. There are things that hand you the experience (like LotR, no disrespect) and things you need to draw it out from (like Stardust Memories, for example). And your mother the artist should also realize that the artists who pave the way should be paid their respects, because there must have been something in their work - not just the idea, but an actual expression of that idea - that pushed the boundary. So perhaps not best ever, but certainly great. And, really, the whole idea of 'best ever' is pretty much crap anyway. I see Citizen Kane as being in the pantheon of film accomplishments, along with many other great works from around the world. ... but most of my favorite films do not occupy a place in that pantheon of greatness - they're just fun movies I love. Like the whole Star Wars collection. Just because it is great doesn't mean you'll like it either. Look at music. Do you think that if greatest all-time piece of music was compiled that anything from the rock era would or should be in the top 25? Does that matter for what you enjoy? Doesn't for me. I like what I like and don't get hung up on what others think ... until they get hung up on forcing labels ... like best ever. Mike In a way, thats exactly what I think. People can't really label "best movie ever" so why making a mistake trying? So perhaps not best ever, but certainly great. Exactly my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 hey IG - here's aan idea. But perhaps it me be interesting and educational to watch CK with the commentary turned on. Most versions have excellent commentaries on them, including peter bogdanovich(another director), who does a great job of pointing out things that were done in that film. Ben Hur is a cool movie, one of my faves, another great achievement. But its not CK.... at the end of the day, there are some people who like Citizen Kane, some people who dont, and some people who miss the point.... mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IG-64 Posted May 26, 2004 Author Share Posted May 26, 2004 Originally posted by Astrotoy7 hey IG - here's aan idea. But perhaps it me be interesting and educational to watch CK with the commentary turned on. Most versions have excellent commentaries on them, including peter bogdanovich(another director), who does a great job of pointing out things that were done in that film. Ben Hur is a cool movie, one of my faves, another great achievement. But its not CK.... at the end of the day, there are some people who like Citizen Kane, some people who dont, and some people who miss the point.... mtfbwya A good movie shouldn't need explaining. You shouldn't have to ask why it's a good movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted May 26, 2004 Share Posted May 26, 2004 Originally posted by IG-64 A good movie shouldn't need explaining. You shouldn't have to ask why it's a good movie. Exactly, like Eraserhead ... ok, mike, now you're just f-ing around ... Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Fisher Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 Freakin, I own that movie, but only watched it once, seeing as it only takes once to know the end >.< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 Originally posted by txa1265 Exactly, like Eraserhead ... ok, mike, now you're just f-ing around ... Mike Mike, stop toyin with the cineplex generation man ! I doint get to talk about it much here but I am a *crazed* David Lynch fan.... Eraserhead was visionary and insane, the magnum opus of film school films ! The recent release of the Eraserhead SE DVD from DavidLynch.com is something to behold. I never thought they could pull it off on DVD, but they did.... mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IG-64 Posted May 27, 2004 Author Share Posted May 27, 2004 Originally posted by Astrotoy7 Mike, stop toyin with the cineplex generation man ! I doint get to talk about it much here but I am a *crazed* David Lynch fan.... Eraserhead was visionary and insane, the magnum opus of film school films ! The recent release of the Eraserhead SE DVD from DavidLynch.com is something to behold. I never thought they could pull it off on DVD, but they did.... mtfbwya Wow, you don't agree with anything do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Groovy Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 Citizen Kane is a movie I never grow tired of. Even though it is dated, it is still revolutionary by modern film standards. Orson Wells went to great lengths to get the right camera angle, such as digging large holes in the floor, and pointing the camera up, so that Charles Foster Kane, always seemed larger than life. I think part of the reason it bores you folks to tears, is that you don't understand the meanings behind the actions in the movie. The movie tells the tale of the rise and fall of an ordinary man, who inherates wealth at a very young age, who can afford to buy anything and everything but happiness. "Rosebud" is the symbol of his childhood, which is where the transition from poverty to wealth initially took place, in the end, he wants to go back to wear he was, but it is already too late. It's really a simple plot, money cannot buy you love. I love Citizen Kane, and I want it on DVD, but it's kind of pricey right now, so I make do with my VHS copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poggle Posted May 27, 2004 Share Posted May 27, 2004 I watched Citizen Kane last night, and would like to ask. A good film yes but anyone saying it is the best film ever has utterly lost the plot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 Originally posted by IG-64 Wow, you don't agree with anything do you? huh ! I wasnt even disagreeing with anything in that post ! Whatcha talkin bout man ! mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 Originally posted by Astrotoy7 Whatcha talkin bout man ! Of course, what you meant was Wuchu talkin' 'bout, Willis?! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 Originally posted by txa1265 Of course, what you meant was Wuchu talkin' 'bout, Willis?! Mike yeah, I still cant get over that pic Rhett posted with Gary Coleman and David Hasselhoff, its my deskie now, and Ive been talking like Arnold Drummond all week..... look out for the gooch ! mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeleneRayne Posted May 28, 2004 Share Posted May 28, 2004 I have never saw this movie before, but from the sounds of it, I have mixed reviews, it sounds like people say it's one of the greatest movies ever, and some say they were so bored, they thought a sharp stick in the eye looked better than the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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