El Sitherino Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 ... you know, the technique to make friends is being NICE, not insulting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HalfSwedeLarz Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 i try to be nice but when someone makes me md its like a chain reaction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted July 20, 2004 Share Posted July 20, 2004 From Dr. Curtis Saxton site (a guy that should know this better than any of us ) : ______________________ 3. Continuity 3.1 What is official? Story and situational elements of any STAR WARS product licensed by Lucasfilm, plus materials integral to the creation of those products (eg. design notes used in the production of the movies). "Official" status is not a matter of personal opinion. 3.2 What is "canon"? The non-negotiable "facts" of the STAR WARS universe and its history. All canon material is official. Most official material is not canonical. According to Lucasfilm's continuity editors, writing in STAR WARS Insider #23, canon is defined as: `Gospel,' or canon as we refer to it, includes the screenplays, the films, the radio dramas and the novelisations. "Canon" status is not a matter of personal opinion. ______________________ In more recent history (Star Wars Insider #68) the DK* Visual Dictionaries, Incredible Cross-Sections (2 of which has been written by Dr. David West Reynolds, the AotC Incredible Cross-Section by Dr. Curtis Saxton himself), and the Locations books have also been canonized. The order goes: Movies Script Movie Novels Radio Drama DK Visual Dictionaries, Incredible Cross-Sections, Locations books (Inside the World Of books) In that order, highest priority at the top. *DK = Dorling Kindersley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 Originally posted by HalfSwedeLarz knowledge, smartness, and wisdom are all different so just because you answered that doesnt me you people are 'smart' *refrains* mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 Originally posted by Astrotoy7 the term 'canon' in a literary context is derived from the concept of identifying which of the Holy scriptures are accepted as as sacred and authentic texts, and accepted into the 'Biblical canon'. I didn't figure he needed the HISTORY of the word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HalfSwedeLarz Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 I am very confused now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheech Marin Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 This is coming from the guy that thinks we're all dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HalfSwedeLarz Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 NO. I dont think you are dumb just not smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Originally posted by HalfSwedeLarz NO. I dont think you are dumb just not smart. And...YOU are the smart one here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Stay on topic. Too close, can't manouver. Stay on topic! Closing up. Aaaaarrghhhh..........* Larz, if you go by what I posted you should know enough about the differance between offical Star Wars and canon Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 kotOR is definitely not canon, it is a part of the EU. all EU is non-canon. the simple definition of what canon is - if George Lucas wrote it. the only EU that comes close to being canon is the Clone Wars cartoon as although it was not written by GL, he did have a lot of input into it. but even on http://www.starwars.com it's under EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 Originally posted by Siv kotOR is definitely not canon, it is a part of the EU. all EU is non-canon. the simple definition of what canon is - if George Lucas wrote it. the only EU that comes close to being canon is the Clone Wars cartoon as although it was not written by GL, he did have a lot of input into it. but even on http://www.starwars.com it's under EU. damnit Sivksi! Now that you are a mod I cant use my brutally informative sarcasm against you lest I be bated and flamed The NJO 'The Final Prophecy' came with an cdrom, which included alot of info about NJO and its developmemt.....it confirms these two FACTS :*as I mentioned above* -GLs input into chewie dying -GLs input into anakin dying. He actually recommended that anakin solo be killed off rather than jacen solo, as originally written,.... -and spare a poor thought for "Splinter of a Minds Eye" replete with strange continuity problems, it was 100% GLs idea, and now holds a dubious respectability in the EU...... so, 1st level canon in itself has its grey areas. Spare a thought also for the SW Holiday Special, even the Ewok Adventure movies mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 I feel forced to repeat something from my previous (or next previous or whatever ) post here: "Canon" status is not a matter of personal opinion! That means, you and I don't decide what is canon or not, LucasFilm Ltd. does. KotOR definatly isn't canon, no. In fact, nothing LucasArts makes is canon. The fact the company is Lucas owned is irrelavent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted July 22, 2004 Share Posted July 22, 2004 I feel forced to repeat something from my previous (or next previous or whatever ) post here: "Canon" status is not a matter of personal opinion! That means, you and I don't decide what is canon or not, LucasFilm Ltd. does. KotOR definatly isn't canon, no. In fact, nothing LucasArts makes is canon. The fact the company is Lucas owned is irrelavent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted July 25, 2004 Share Posted July 25, 2004 Originally posted by Jan Gaarni I feel forced to repeat something from my previous (or next previous or whatever ) post here: "Canon" status is not a matter of personal opinion! That means, you and I don't decide what is canon or not, LucasFilm Ltd. does. indeed. But has Lucasfilm ever published a definitive listing of what is canon or not.....?? eg SOTE = canon ? NJO = canon etc he he he This discussion has been a raging flamefest like an out of control bushfire at TFN forums for years.... this is comparatively civil mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzyfreaker Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 I find Kotor, the EU Books, and some games to be canon. Most Comics, not canon. and Larz, STFU! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PR-0927 Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 Originally posted by fuzzyfreaker I find Kotor, the EU Books, and some games to be canon. Most Comics, not canon. and Larz, STFU! Word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 Originally posted by fuzzyfreaker I find Kotor, the EU Books, and some games to be canon. Originally posted by Jan Gaarni "Canon" status is not a matter of personal opinion! That means, you and I don't decide what is canon or not, LucasFilm Ltd. does. KotOR definatly isn't canon, no. In fact, nothing LucasArts makes is canon. The fact the company is Lucas owned is irrelavent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 Word Originally posted by Astrotoy7 indeed. But has Lucasfilm ever published a definitive listing of what is canon or not.....?? eg SOTE = canon ? NJO = canon etc he he he This discussion has been a raging flamefest like an out of control bushfire at TFN forums for years.... this is comparatively civil mtfbwya Yes, several times. And none of those you mention are considered official canon by the way, just official. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzyfreaker Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by fuzzyfreaker I find Kotor, the EU Books, and some games to be canon. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Jan Gaarni "Canon" status is not a matter of personal opinion! That means, you and I don't decide what is canon or not, LucasFilm Ltd. does. KotOR definatly isn't canon, no. In fact, nothing LucasArts makes is canon. The fact the company is Lucas owned is irrelavent -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ok, wheres the official website from Lucasfilm that rules out the fact KOTOR is not canon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 Originally posted by Jan Gaarni 3. Continuity 3.1 What is official? Story and situational elements of any STAR WARS product licensed by Lucasfilm, plus materials integral to the creation of those products (eg. design notes used in the production of the movies). "Official" status is not a matter of personal opinion. 3.2 What is "canon"? The non-negotiable "facts" of the STAR WARS universe and its history. All canon material is official. Most official material is not canonical. According to Lucasfilm's continuity editors, writing in STAR WARS Insider #23, canon is defined as: `Gospel,' or canon as we refer to it, includes the screenplays, the films, the radio dramas and the novelisations. "Canon" status is not a matter of personal opinion. I don't presume to pull this out my a** or anything here, this is how it is. In a sense, you can say KotOR is "canon" for it's own time and events taking place in that time period, because all other material from now on and forth must be in line according to KotOR, otherwise the new material based on this time (as in non-KotOR material) can be disregarded at your own discression. However, calling it canon will only confuse people from knowing what canon in Star Wars really is, which is: Movies Script Movie Novels Radio Drama DK Visual Dictionaries, Incredible Cross-Sections, Locations books (Inside the World Of books) Therefor, the word "canon" should only be used when referring to these works, and these works only! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzyfreaker Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 hmm... this is just a neverending controversy that will probably last forever. I mean for people that think the books and crap arn't canon, after episode 3, star wars is finished for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 Originally posted by fuzzyfreaker hmm... this is just a neverending controversy that will probably last forever. I mean for people that think the books and crap arn't canon, after episode 3, star wars is finished for them. Well, that's their loss, not ours. Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 Originally posted by fuzzyfreaker hmm... this is just a neverending controversy that will probably last forever. It wouldn't last forever if you took the word straight from starwars.com When it comes to absolute canon, the real story of Star Wars, you must turn to the films themselves - and only the films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan Gaarni Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 Yeah, that's true, ET Warrior. Films are absolute canon. They are indisputable, except for a few minor points. However, that is one mans personal opinion, from LucasBooks, which is not the same entity as LucasFilm Ltd, which controls the production of all sanctioned Star Wars stories. If it hasn't passed thru them it is unofficial material. Here is what they have to say about it over at the Continuity and Production Editors at Lucasfilm: What's 'gospel' and what isn't? 'Gospel,' or canon as we refer to it, includes the screenplays, the films, the radio dramas and the novelisations. These works spin out of George Lucas' original stories, the rest are written by other writers. However, between us, we've read everything, and much of it is taken into account in the overall continuity. The entire catalog of published works comprises a vast history -- with many off-shoots, variations and tangents -- like any other well-developed mythology. That is the official policy for what is canon and not, straight from the guys who control the Star Wars Universe. The only person who can override this policy is George Lucas, obviously. If he wants to disregard certain things in EU, or even his own movies for that matter, he can do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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