Tyrion Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Originally posted by obi-wan13 All of these terrorists killing in the name of something that isn't even real. Huh, I imagine that's the same reason why they're killing us... Y'know, what with the Army fighting for America, which supports women wearing little clothing, shaving beards, and pre-marital sex. Worst part is, your God too created a war of his own. Remember the crusades? I know that this is beating a dead horse, but both your Christian ancestors and these terrorists are fighting for the same excact reasons. Don't go throwing stones in a cloud made of glass. (And yes, I realize that somehow I've made a hypocritical statement somewhere inside this post...just dunno where. ) Oh yeah, The_One, by extremist left/right wing I mean someone who either critisizes the other wing without stating the good parts, or someone who boasts thier wing without mentioning thier weaknesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted June 23, 2004 Author Share Posted June 23, 2004 Crusades? Dude, Middle ages stuff...... And not everyone supports scantily clad women, or Pre-Marital sex. (I don't =) ) Shaving your beard? What in the world? How's that a crime? o.O God says himself "Thou shalt not kill." A part many christians (including modern-day death penalty supporters) miss. However, Scripture also says (and I quote) "The lord is a man of war, the Lord is his name." Meaning that there is a time for war, and when worshipers of a false god kill in the name of that false God, I'd say that's a time for war. True there were wars in the Old Testiment, but they are not so different than the wars of today. It's not about ethnic cleansing, it's about stopping people so they can't do things like this anymore. The war (on terror) was delayed far too long, I think. Don't think the Old Testament is out-dated, either. Jesus came not to replace the law, but to fulfill it. I could go on and on and on, but I won't for those who hate force long-post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Originally posted by obi-wan13 I'm more right-wing then left, but I do lean slightly to the left as well. Just in case any of you are having difficulty comprehending just where on the political spectrum Obi lies, I have attached this graphic to aid in your understanding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapNColostomy Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Originally posted by Breton Did it ever occur to you that these terrorists might think the exact same thing about Americans? ...obviously not. You're right. Where is my thinking. Terrorists are just poor misunderstood people who have gotten a bad wrap over ther years, thanks to American media. We should all be glad they're taking peoples heads. In fact, we should offer our own heads up. Jump in line everyone. It starts behind Breton. Jackass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie™ Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Originally posted by ET Warrior Just in case any of you are having difficulty comprehending just where on the political spectrum Obi lies, I have attached this graphic to aid in your understanding Thanks, I was having a hard time understanding what he meant, that pic pretty much cleared it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted June 23, 2004 Author Share Posted June 23, 2004 Originally posted by ET Warrior Just in case any of you are having difficulty comprehending just where on the political spectrum Obi lies, I have attached this graphic to aid in your understanding You're the man now, Dog! =P @ CapN- Hug time. *hug* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 You already USED that link when you closed the newest corrupt wish game thread. So excuse me princess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted June 23, 2004 Author Share Posted June 23, 2004 Well I thought it applied here too. I'd post a ton of these, but I don't want this thread to get any more off-topic. poo-poo face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Originally posted by CapNColostomy You're right. Where is my thinking. Terrorists are just poor misunderstood people who have gotten a bad wrap over ther years, thanks to American media. We should all be glad they're taking peoples heads. In fact, we should offer our own heads up. Jump in line everyone. It starts behind Breton. Jackass. hey man, he was just saying they think the same, not saying he supports or condones their actions, now lay off. Obi muslims believe in the same god as you. It's not a false god, the terrorists are wrong to make a war in the name of religion and use it as jusitification just as a christian extremist is for using religion to justify serial killing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MennoniteHobbit Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 May that South Korean man rest in peace. Why'd they have to take the life of another man?!?!??! You know, I think those terrorists would have beheaded him anyways... they just made that "deal" so it can be blamed on whichever government the victim is a part of. You see, it's possible that even if the South Korean government started withdrawing troops/stopped putting troops in Iraq, the terrorists would still kill that S.K. man, as "retribution for beheading/abusing the Iraqi prisoners, our brethren." (Even for the fact that AFAIK we never beheaded anyone they're talking about...) Oh well, may that man (Kim Il-Sun is his name I think) rest in peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Originally posted by Pie™ You mean their deity is fake and yours is real? Oh well... It's tragic about these beheadings though originally posted by obi That's correct... *clears throat* I'd like you to clarify exactly what you mean by that obi.... mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted June 23, 2004 Author Share Posted June 23, 2004 Originally posted by InsaneSith Obi muslims believe in the same god as you. Not true. Allah and the Christian God are not the same. That's one saying that has led people astray for long periods of time. Posted by Astro I'd like you to clarify exactly what you mean by that obi.... Well, exactly how it sounds is how I meant it......I serve the true living God, these Cowardly Terrorists do not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie™ Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Originally posted by obi-wan13 Well, exactly how it sounds is how I meant it......I serve the true living God, these Cowardly Terrorists do not. And you have evidence for this...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted June 23, 2004 Author Share Posted June 23, 2004 Originally posted by Pie™ And you have evidence for this...? Yes, I do. All of my evidence is found here: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie™ Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Originally posted by obi-wan13 Yes, I do. All of my evidence is found here: Okay, I'm convinced *puts on white hood* The purging has begun! This post has been made purely in sarcasm, Pie™ is not a member of any religious cult, actually he's not even religious, and still an allright chap to hang around with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Originally posted by obi-wan13 @ CapN- Hug time. *hug* wow. CapN and Obi hugging. Never saw that one coming....the Capn doesnt strike me as the hugging type, I definitely would never have tried to do so *prints out thread, puts into scrapbook of weird & wonderful posts/threads, nest to Roxstars pokemon bashing thread, and the attack on Evula thread* Breton, you usually are very lucid in your statements. You know my admiration of your insightful posts is profound, but I cant fully grasp what you are saying. These acts are just as evil as any of the human rights abuses committed by the allied troops on iraqi detainees, or the 'collateral damage' caused by the widespread bombing in Iraq. Neither of them are rationally justifiable, murder hardly ever is, and in the instance of war, when a *civilian* is killed, this amplifies the tragedy of the casualties of any war... mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted June 23, 2004 Author Share Posted June 23, 2004 Originally posted by Pie™ This post has been made purely in irony, Pie™ is not a member of any religious cult, actually he's not even religious, and still an allright chap to hang around with I believe the word you're looking for is sarcasm, not irony. And yes, you are still an allright chap to hang around with. I never said anything different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Originally posted by Pie™ This post has been made purely in irony, Pie™ is not a member of any religious cult, actually he's not even religious, and still an allright chap to hang around with that's right, Pie is cool Obi, I know your a mod n all, but I would very kindly ask you to stop ramming your religious beliefs down our throats. I respect that you are dedicated to your religion, but dont come here to have it shoved in my face as a matter of course. I myself mentioned in another post, being if 'islamic heritage', I would *never* presume to get on here, a gaming forum, and preach, the Kuran says this..., Allah says this....., Muhammad did this...., it would be utterly innapropriate... mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_One Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Originally posted by obi-wan13 Shaving your beard? What in the world? How's that a crime? o.O Have you learnt nothing!!?? Shaving a beard is the gravest crime a man can commit. If you shave your beard, you can bet your butt you're going to Hell. Yes, Dude, when the rapture comes, you're going doooowwwwnnnn By the way, the CapN is clearly a cuddly old Teddy Bear. He presents this tough guy image, but you just know he's a softie inside. Am I right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie™ Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Originally posted by Astrotoy7 Obi, I know your a mod n all, but I would very kindly ask you to stop ramming your religious beliefs down our throats. I respect that you are dedicated to your religion, but dont come here to have it shoved in my face as a matter of course. I myself mentioned in another post, being if 'islamic heritage', I would *never* presume to get on here, a gaming forum, and preach, the Kuran says this..., Allah says this....., Muhammad did this...., it would be utterly innapropriate... mtfbwya Yeah... I'm starting to feel offended here too... Even though I'm not gay or Islamic.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted June 23, 2004 Author Share Posted June 23, 2004 Well, In defense of me, I didn't start the religious discussion in the thread. But if it's offending you, I'm sorry, and we'll cut it out. No one said anything about it though, so we kept going. If you want it stopped, all you had to do was say the word. Bam. It's magic. =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 Originally posted by obi-wan13 Did it ever occur to you that we've never kidnapped any of their innocent people and beheaded them and put it on tape for all to see? ...obviously not. *ahem* You will need to understand the reasons for why these "terrorists" (the term "terrorist" is very open) kill Americans in the first place. Why do they do what they do? Because they believe Americans are evil. Because they believe the world would be better if all the "evil" Americans would die, or at least get the hell out of their "good" countries. Why they believe this? Plenty of reasons, just as there are reasons why you, Obi, believe terrorists are "evil" and should be killed (hmm, "turn the other cheek"? Anyways...). Firstly, the US has for a longer period of time waged several wars against muslim countries, wars that certain muslims understandably enough experience as a war against the muslims themselves. USA has also supported Israel, famous for stealing (arguably) muslim land, occupying muslim territory and oppressing its citizens. When these people has gotten the idea of USA being evil, they have a tendency of focusing a lot on "bad" things US has done in the middle-east, such as the recent Iraqi prisoner abuse. You might call this ignorant if you wish, but it is a feat all humans share, much included us western "good" citizens. Originally posted by MennoniteHobbit I agree. He's really too left wing to be considered seriously. I'll have to disagree you on that, Moore isn't really particulary left-wing (well, the Scandinavian definiton of left-wing, anyway). He's somewhere around labour, not close to socialist. Makes a lot of noise, though. Originally posted by The_One Stalin was too far left, if we're going to talk about it in the black and white terminology of "left and right." Stalin can hardly be considered left-wing. He seemed to sacrifice economical ideology for arrogance and paranoidity, feats that are pretty much anti-communistic. Originally posted by obi-wan13 Oh it's Understandable. A lot of people think the beheading was in Iraq, when in fact it was in Saudi Arabia. *SUPPOSEDLY* our allies, too. I wonder what we're gonna do about that......hmm....... Keep in mind that they were a separatist group and that it was in fact Saudi Arabian police who shot and killed these terrorists. ...which of course makes them as bad as the terrorists themselves, but that's not the point. I pray for their heartless souls, and I pray for the family of the man that was murdered. Do you pray for the families of the 20,000+ children who died today thanks to famine and lack of vaccination? ...just asking. Originally posted by CapNColostomy You're right. Where is my thinking. Terrorists are just poor misunderstood people who have gotten a bad wrap over ther years, thanks to American media. We should all be glad they're taking peoples heads. In fact, we should offer our own heads up. Jump in line everyone. It starts behind Breton. Your problem is that you do not even attempt to understand the situation these people are in. You seem to believe these people aren't human, or at least not as much human as us "good" westerners. That's actually pretty scary. Originally posted by random German during the 1930's You're right. Where is my thinking. Jews are just poor misunderstood people who have gotten a bad wrap over ther years, thanks to German media. We should all be glad they're plotting to take over the economy and oppress us "evil" aryans. In fact, we should just give them whatever they want. Jump in line everyone. No insulting intended, I'm just putting a little on the edge. I believe no one has the right to judge others unless they put themselves in their situation. Which you definatly haven't done. And which I doubt you will even try. You know, there has actually been several psychological studies among terrorists, and it appears mental illnesses are actually no more common among terrorists than others, and that terrorists in fact do not share a personality type. http://whyfiles.org/140terror_psych/ For 30 years, Rona Fields, a Washington, D.C. psychologist, has been psychologically testing terrorists and paramilitaries from Northern Ireland, Israel, the West Bank, Lebanon, Southeast Asia, and Africa. She thinks today's suicide terrorists share the still-born moral and emotional development she saw in the Khmer Rouge, who created a bloodbath in Cambodia during the late 1970s. "Their definition of right and wrong is very black-and-white, and is directed by an uthoritative director," says Fields. "There's a total limitation of the capacity to think for themselves." A terrorist develops gradually from a young age, Fields says. The boys (typically aged 10 to 16) who are easist to recruit for suicide terrorism are "at the stage of development of moral judgment called retributive justice or vendetta." This "an eye for an eye" stage of emotional development was described by the Swiss psychologist Jean Piaget, she adds. In "societies where there's been intergenerational, intercommunal war," Fields says, many adults never outgrow the vendetta, and are trapped in righteous indignation, which Fields found among "all the members of all paramilitary organizations I examined. They believe there's a difference between right and wrong, but when they do something in the name of the cause, it's justified." Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obi Posted June 23, 2004 Author Share Posted June 23, 2004 Don't try to judge my level of rightousness. Believe me, that's the last thing you want to do. We'd be here all day. Of course I pray for those who have died from starvation and famine. I pray for everyone who needs it, not just the ones on tv. And I've never said I want them all dead. Don't use the "Turn the other cheek" against me. I'd rather see them all repent for their crimes. But then again, I just posted that all religious discussion in the thread cease. As I said earlier, we have never invaded Saudi Arabia. It was (or am I mistaken? If so, please correct me with a link or something) Saudi Arabians that did this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted June 23, 2004 Share Posted June 23, 2004 They bombed the piss out of one of the beheading terrorists safe houses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted June 24, 2004 Share Posted June 24, 2004 Originally posted by obi-wan13 Don't try to judge my level of rightousness. Believe me, that's the last thing you want to do. We'd be here all day. Of course I pray for those who have died from starvation and famine. I pray for everyone who needs it, not just the ones on tv. . Probably, but I just found it odd how you specifically wanted to pray for a single person just because he was in the media. And I've never said I want them all dead. Don't use the "Turn the other cheek" against me. I'd rather see them all repent for their crimes. But then again, I just posted that all religious discussion in the thread cease. When so actively condemning these people and calling them evil psychotics, I didn't find this coherent with the Bible's message of "Loving thy enemy". Not that it matters though, but that's something I see much too often when it comes to christians. But as this isn't a religious discussion, I'll leave it at that. As I said earlier, we have never invaded Saudi Arabia. It was (or am I mistaken? If so, please correct me with a link or something) Saudi Arabians that did this. No, Saudi Arabia was never invaded, but the point is that this separatist group looks upon themselves as a part of an international group. They see wars in the middle east as attacks upon their rightminded religion of Islam, and believes it is their task to defend Islam from the "evil" foreigners. Borders only exist in the minds of the people, you know. Getting kind of tired now...(2.30 am)...so I'll guess I'll see you all tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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