darthmikeyd Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 Lets forget for a minute that Grip is a darkside force power, and consider something. If I use force grip to pick up someone and drop them over the edge of a building or a cliff, does that make me evil? I will sometimes do this if I am facing mare then one dark force jedi. It is just an easy way to get rid of at least one of them to make the fight one on one. Along those lines, if there are a group of stormtroopers close to the edge of a building or cliff, I will use force push to push them all off so I don't have to worry about them. It is just easier then taking them all out one at a time, not that it is a problem. Either way, they all end up dead anyway. I was just wondering what everyone thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinny Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 different parts of the force tend to reflect the personality of the jedi, but like kyle said its not which powers you use, but how you use them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 If you look at the Jedi like policemen (which they are, according to the prequels, at least originally), then I'd look at it this way. There's such a thing as "police brutality" and "excessive force." Now I'm not sure what the New Republic's laws are on this, but the Jedi Order IS subject to their authority, according to everything I've read (though I hear in the much maligned NJO series the Jedi "refuse to fight" or some other such nonesense, which I guess would be akin to the LAPD or the National Guard going on strike during a war or major civil crises). Just as police have rules they have to follow about protecting the rights of suspects, so to do the Jedi. Now granted, there is no "option" in the game to arrest or capture any of these combatants, and its a game with programming & budgetary limitations, etc. So we could say that excessive "torture" (shall we say) of enemies in combat would be against the rules. So a "good" Jedi would dispatch only enemies he needs to kill and do so in a manner that is the most efficient and causes the least suffering. So if he decapitates an enemy, that's better than slowly choking him over a cliff then dropping him hundreds of stories to his death below. In the game itself of course, your actions are completely ignored except one particular action near the end of the game (won't mention the spoiler here). So Luke doesn't care what you do, neither does Kyle, so long as you don't kill the "wrong" people (ie: whatever friendly NPC is following you on the particular mission). But, even soldiers have ROE (Rules of Engagement). So it would depend really on what the New Republic's rules are setup for Jedi. As far as personal morality is concerned, a person might believe that killing ANYONE is unacceptable, except in self defense or where there is no other option to save innocents. And with a Jedi's power, they have many many options open to them to solve problems without necessarily having to resort to killing. We see Jedi do a lot of killing in the movies, without a whole lot of explanation of the Jedi morality behind it, but I'm sure they have their own beliefs too. One could take the somewhat machiavellian approach (though this isn't out of character with many modern religious interpretations of Just War or Jihad, statements in the Bhagavad Gita, etc), that as long as a person doesn't GIVE IN TO HATE when fighting a defensive war, they can do their "duty" without committing sin/aquiring negative karma. Of course there are also people within those same religions who would reject this idea. So from one interpretation, as long as the Jedi aren't enjoying it and getting mad and hateful, taking pleasure in killing, they can kill all they want to in their job. Others would see this as making them "cold blooded killers" with no sense of remorse. But if you view the Darkside as merely being "negative emotions" then that is one possible interpretation. If we view the Dark/Light as being "on the side of right" then that muddies the waters. For example, does this mean that a Dark Side user could use his powers on the side of good? Could Sith and Jedi fight together against a common foe, using their chosen powers in whatever way they deemed necessary? When the Jedi were fighting and dying for Palpatine in his contrived war, were they fighting for the Dark Side? Etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sora Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 i like dropping people off cliffs using push, pull or grip. it gives me that hahaha feeling. like if someone is pissing you off by say one of those dark force users, you know the ones that also push and grip at you when your trying to kill a guy with a lightsaber.they piss me off. also do what you seem is right to you. if you feel like push a guy off a cliff then do so. if you dont, dont. i like to listen to them sream all the way till i hear a thud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 Originally posted by darthmikeyd Lets forget for a minute that Grip is a darkside force power, and consider something. If I use force grip to pick up someone and drop them over the edge of a building or a cliff, does that make me evil? Nope, it makes you an upstanding individual whose consideration of the feelings of others is above reproach. It doesn't make you good, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CortoCG Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 If I use force grip to pick up someone and drop them over the edge of a building or a cliff, does that make me evil? Omg, dude can you really do that? I mean, that's actually... is not evil, it's amazing . Just kidding. Making your evil fantansies or worst perversities come true in a game does not make you evil, or a pervert. In fact, releasing stress and malice on a game could help you a lot in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slider Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 on my server JA+ official i always tolerate that on the map there is a ""real ffa"" zone where all is permited... and also another zone more for honour guy with chat, duel, or role play.....emot...etc.... but i don't tolerate that player from the real ffa zone come in ""honour zone" to make easy kills with read dfa for example coming from behind you... it seems to work fine like that .... all player can have the way they want to play i always encourage server owners to create this kind of servers because beeing all the time in honour is annoying and beeing all the time in "real ffa style" is alos annoying .... it seems that people on my server like the possibitlity of going from one zone to another with different style of gameplay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CortoCG Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 on my server JA+ official i always tolerate that on the map there is a ""real ffa"" zone where all is permited... You never get tired of shameless self promotion, do you? This thread is about that poor guy who's concerned about him being evil or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keshire Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Kurgan, your trying to confuse me aren't you? Well it won't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CortoCG Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 My name is Inigo Montoya!... never mind, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slider Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Originally posted by CortoCG This thread is about that poor guy who's concerned about him being evil or not. this is not the good question there is no evil and no good there is just various style of wish of playing the game and it is nice to have both on a the same server in order to fight against monotony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CortoCG Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Allright allright, I give up . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJL Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Most powers are "neutral" and it is just the way how you use them... But some others are definitely just Dark side Powers... like Force Lightning... And I think Jedi Knight games have too many different kind of force powers... (There should be many but they should be all different variations of few main powers...) And force powers are overused... They are too simple... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Okay, fine, you got me there. Doing something "evil" in a video game doesn't necessarily make you evil in real life. Foiled again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Kaan Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 It's a game. Use what works and have fun doing it. As far as grip being evil.... In ROTJ, Luke waved his hands at the Gammorean guards in Jabba's palace and they grabbed their throats like they were being gripped/choked. Was Luke evil for doing that? Simple matter of opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumor Posted July 13, 2004 Share Posted July 13, 2004 Originally posted by AJL Most powers are "neutral" and it is just the way how you use them... But some others are definitely just Dark side Powers... like Force Lightning... And I think Jedi Knight games have too many different kind of force powers... (There should be many but they should be all different variations of few main powers...) And force powers are overused... They are too simple... uh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acdcfanbill Posted July 14, 2004 Share Posted July 14, 2004 you ppl talk like being evil in real life is a bad thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Pangasa Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 I have to agree with Dhart, Luke did use force grip when he killed those two gammorean guards, what he did was not evil, it was a matter of defense. As for force lightning, it is no secret the Kyle Katarn uses it, and that does not make him evil. Attacking a helpless individual with lightning is evil, however using at as an assaultive power against enemies is no big deal. Moreover, force drain is definitely evil becuase you are sucking the life out of individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJL Posted July 21, 2004 Share Posted July 21, 2004 Originally posted by <-KRT->Dhart In ROTJ, Luke waved his hands at the Gammorean guards in Jabba's palace and they grabbed their throats like they were being gripped/choked. Was Luke evil for doing that? I don't think doing that makes him immediately evil guy but anyway he used his power to crush his enemy which i think is against the ways of the jedi... (or old style jedi... how much did Luke learn about the jedi ways before Obi and Yoda died... ? not much I think...) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do you guys remember did any JEDI (not Luke) ever use any "harmful" force directly against some living entity ?? I don't think they did... (They didn't push anyone, they didn't strangle anyone, they didn't slam peoples on the walls and such, they didn't use lightning...) I think the only way they used force directly on living things was in the Mind tricks... Anakin used force against some guys (he throw stuff at them using the force but he never attacked directly with the force...) AND didn't Yoda say in EP5 that jedi must Never use force to attack... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mono_Giganto Posted July 27, 2004 Share Posted July 27, 2004 Well if you consider droids to be alive, Qui Gon push-spammed a few battle droids in EP1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJL Posted July 27, 2004 Share Posted July 27, 2004 Originally posted by Mono_Giganto Well if you consider droids to be alive, Qui Gon push-spammed a few battle droids in EP1. Yes they often use force on droids and such... but they ARE NOT alive, they don't feel pain, they don't think, they are just machines which follow their programming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90SK Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 True but sometimes droids/robots develop personalities of thier own, thus making them more human......or whatever. Consider C-3P0. He is always screaming and whatnot. Still, battle droids dont really count I guess. They are all like "roger roger" and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightNinja Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 ya, c3po developed too much its personality and he turned gay. And thats Íñigo Montoya [(tu mataste a mi padre, preparate a morir...)] not Inigo lol =p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Ramathor Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 no, you are evil (in my eyes) if you kill those darkside jedi by holding them above a cliff or something and let them use push to get free; they killed themself:D thats how i do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 long lived thread but anyway, I say stop with the force power to make it one on one and take em all on at the same time. What I like to do is take on about 4 or 5 and see if I come out a live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.