Doomie Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 I think he was only using the straight porn as an example... And he said he was addicted to 'pr0n' for three years, i wonder what got him off of it? Oh, and by the way, DiesStarwarsGeek: Best. Zing. Ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 Originally posted by Doomgiver And he said he was addicted to 'pr0n' for three years, i wonder what got him off of it? Probably went on the patch...or got that gum stuff..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 Right, you can beat the addiction. Its not just some natural thing like ET described. Sure, saying "oh yeah, she looks good" is normal, but it that 2nd look thats wrong, and thats all in your mind. Attraction is natural, wanting to see any/all good looking women nude is in your own mind. You can train your mind to stop that too... I wont lie and say its easy.. but its possible. And he said he was addicted to 'pr0n' for three years, i wonder what got him off of it? Well.. there is good old fashion prayer but.. you don't believe in that. Hey, its worth shot. You got to want it though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Bremen Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 I'm not saying that I watch porn or anything but: So what if a woman was forced into prostitution due to lack of money? Its not our problem that she CHOSE to use this trade for quick money. Could she have chosen another trade? Yes. Since she CHOSE to trade her body for money, then the "buyers" have the right to do whatever they want with it, since she agreed to it. Thus, that argument is invalid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 I have a question. What constitutes pornography? I mean some people say Playboy is pornography, but then what about nude modeling in a non-sexual fashion. Or what about nude paintings, statues even? I mean people could still release themselves sexually to that, does that make it porn? What about old greek and roman statues in which many people are nude, do you think that is objective of women? Is the statue of David objective of men? Where is the line drawn? What about nude beaches. People voluntarily being naked (much like with porn), is that making them objectified? What I don't get is this crap sense of modesty. The human body is a beautiful thing, not something to be ashamed of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack "odc" one. Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 It's also not impossible to "use" a woman "mentally" is she has clothes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeoTyranus Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 There is a huge difference between having sex, and watching sex. In fact, many people argue that christianity is for the weak, the people who have nothing to believe in, or just mentally/physically weak. You know what I think? Porn is for the men or women who cant control there own sexual desires. A crutch for the sexually weak minded. (No offense, of course) Agreed. You can watch all the porn you want. I'd rather focus my energies elsewhere besides becoming a slave to my hormones. So many better things to do in life. Too little time for trivial useless things such as porn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Originally posted by MasterNeo So many better things to do in life. Too little time for trivial useless things such as porn. Oh yeah? You out there solving world hunger or curing AIDS? Who are you to say what you choose to do with your time is better than what other people choose to do with their time? Unless of course you spend all your time on humanitarian work, in which case I agree that's better than porn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomie Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 I find it funny that it's mostly the newbies with <10 posts that are against porn, and the regulars and Mods are almost addicted... Anyway, porn isn't 'Bad' as i see it, since with intelligence (A feature you all, hopefully, possess) comes the ability to enjoy pleasure. An easy way to gain pleasure is to watch porn, simple as that. If you can find other ways to gain pleasure, go ahead, but saying Porn is bad would be something like saying FAntasy isn't fun and Sci-fi is. I hope you're all getting along with me now, because i'm a bit lost. Where was i goin gwith that again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Doomgiver: I think a lot of those people (obviously) knew each other and decided to tell there friends.. who then registered and posted just for this. I can see how you would say its good because it gives you pleasure. And I'm sure most people would enjoy it. But heres the thing, (like I said before) at whos expense should your pleasure come at? It doesn't matter if he/she willingly took the pictures. For example: Your walking down the street, and you drop a 5 dollar bill. You don't know that you dropped. I see you drop, know you don't know, and go pick it up and put it in my pocket. Is it right for me to go to the store and buy something for my own enjoyment, with YOUR money? Not the best example, but an example it is. Keep in mind, I said it does not matter whether or not she wants to take the pictures! ET: And you masterbating in front of a bunch of nude "pix" helps the world right? There are literally millions of things better to do than that. It is, no matter how hard you deny it, in vain. In The next hour/day/week/month/year will it matter to you that you saw porn on Aug. 21, 2004? I doubt it. (I'm not saying you saw it... that's the current date, and so I am using it as an example) Like MasterNeo said, your just being a slave to your own hormones. Whats the point? Really, it serves no purpose. I guess half of what we do serves no purpose, but it could at least be constructive. BTW, MasterNeo, thanks for the bold print and the editing, my posts have been kinda... one sided (like.. only referring to men) I guess it's because I am a guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 it does serve a purpose, it releives the sexual pressure and stress that builds up in your body. and it feels good. I could say why do you play games? it brings you pleasure, but at who's expense? The creators, it doesn't matter that they were willing to spend thousands of hours for you pleasure. Point is, if it doesn't hurt anyone and it makes you happy, I see no problem, there are worse things people could do in their freetime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeskywalker1 Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 The differents between developers and porn stars is, the developers are losing time, while the porn star loses dignity. It is the person's own body. We already know this: It does hurt people, it does effect people in a negative way. No matter how much good it *might* do some people, that doesn't make up for the bad. It can't make up for the bad. I know we talked in IRC about the rapings, but even though doesn't happen often, it is dumb to think that it has never happend as a direct result, its just not often, and *normally* there is another factor, but like I said, porn could be the only factor in a specific raping. For that reason, porn shouldn't be around. I see no problem, there are worse things people could do in their freetime. Well... thats like saying "I killed one guy, but at least I didn't kill two" its just pointless. There are many good things you can do also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 Well... thats like saying "I killed one guy, but at least I didn't kill two" its just pointless. There are many good things you can do also. Then please stop playing video games. Your walking down the street, and you drop a 5 dollar bill. You don't know that you dropped. I see you drop, know you don't know, and go pick it up and put it in my pocket. Is it right for me to go to the store and buy something for my own enjoyment, with YOUR money? Not the best example, but an example it is. Keep in mind, I said it does not matter whether or not she wants to take the pictures! Just because you said it didn't matter, doesn't mean that doesn't matter. Let me rephrase what you said. Your walking down the street, and you purposely drop a 5 dollar bill. You know that you dropped. I see you drop, know you did know it, and go pick it up and put it in my pocket. Is it right for me to go to the store and buy something for my own enjoyment, with YOUR money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinWalker Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 The differents between developers and porn stars is, the developers are losing time, while the porn star loses dignity. It is the person's own body. I think we can all agree on how to measure time, but how does one measure one's dignity? Wouldn't it be fair to say that dignity is a concept and construct of the human mind? I find it indignified to be put on the spot in public, such as when my wife goads me to do my flawless Scooby-Doo laugh for people I don't know. There are those, however, that live for those opportunities. Perhaps you find it indignified to engage in sexual acts on camera, but for those that find no problem and are actually excited by it, why criticize them? I take exception to anything non-consensual or illegal, but otherwise, those that produce and consume porn don't bother me. I don't particularly care for it, myself and think it takes up far too much of the internet's bandwidth, but I recognize that little can be done to effect it. Its supply and demand: economics 101 at its simplest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Windu Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Originally posted by SkinWalker Its supply and demand: economics 101 at its simplest. Exactly. Dignity is just a concept, a perception of the human mind. Those not involved in porn may view it as degrading, but those that are involved in it may not feel a thing of guilt/degradation about it at all. Perspective is the key here folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 The greatest irony of all is Jenna Jameson donates about 30% of her earnings to the church... Thank you E! True Hollywood Story... Expand your Imagi-Nation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Druid Bremen Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 Some women like to get on camera, nude. Some like to publish those videos. Why? They like it. And if they like it, the "dignity" argument is invalid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 Originally posted by Druid Bremen Some women like to get on camera, nude. Some like to publish those videos. Why? They like it. And if they like it, the "dignity" argument is invalid. precisely. What is "shameful" and "embarassing" to one person, might not be to another. Case in point, nude beaches. Are those also degrading? I hope not, because many people actively enjoy them and do so out of their own free will. Also, one can appreciate a naked body without it being sexual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 ET: And you masterbating in front of a bunch of nude "pix" helps the world right? Nope, but I never pretended that it is something better to do with my time. It's something I spend an average amount of time doing, more than some people but less than others. But why is it a worse way to spend my time than going outside and playing a silly game involving balls and other equipment? Or sitting in front of a TV screen and playing video games? None of those actually benefit anyone else, they're just for YOUR enjoyment. And if you're going to link Rape to porn that means you link violence to violent media (including video games, movies, news, etc.). It all comes down to the mindset of the person watching it. If you aren't aple to differentiate between what you see that isn't real, and what you DO that is real, then you were crazy before you started watching porn, and odds are you would have ended up doing SOMETHING hurtful to someone else, be it rape, murder, theft, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 Originally posted by Kain The greatest irony of all is Jenna Jameson donates about 30% of her earnings to the church... Thank you E! True Hollywood Story... Expand your Imagi-Nation She also donates money to help find cures for juvenile diabetes and cancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted August 24, 2004 Share Posted August 24, 2004 Originally posted by lukeskywalker1 We already know this: It does hurt people, it does effect people in a negative way. No matter how much good it *might* do some people, that doesn't make up for the bad. It can't make up for the bad. Let's see... - The actor gets easy-earned money, and obviously don't think showing her body is a big deal. - The producers gets their money too. - The users get...well, you know. So, it's basically a win-win situation. How does porn hurt anyone? Am I missing something here? All your arguments seem to build upon the allegation that porn does hurt someone, which is why I'd love you to explain it a bit further how it can possibly hurt anyone. Like MasterNeo said, your just being a slave to your own hormones. Porn feels good, doesn't harm anyone, and masturbation is only healthy. I don't see how choosing to use it classify to be anyone's slave. I'd say having the fanatic belief that porn is immoral and thus deny yourself basic sexual pleasure is far more being a slave to anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Windu Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 And if you don't masturbate you get really really powerful, enough to tackle someone into a coma. That kind of strength is unnecessary. less you play football, or other sports like cross country What all these other guys have said is that your perception of porn is different from a pornstar's perception. It's all very relative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radd Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 Here's a thought. "To the creative mind there is no right or wrong. Every action is an experiment, and every experiment yields its fruit in knowledge. To the moralist, every action can be judged as right or wrong--and, mind you, in advance--without knowing what its consequences are going to be-- depending upon the mental disposition of the actor. Thus the men who burned Giordano Bruno at the stake knew that they were doing good, even though the consequence of their actions was to deprive the world of a great scientist." -- Hagbard Celine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomie Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 Clicky A little porn is 'good for you' By Emma-Kate Symons and Kate Mackenzie August 17, 2004 PORNOGRAPHY is good for people, the academic leading a taxpayer-funded study of the subject said yesterday, as the Coalition and Labor traded jibes about an Opposition push to stop online porn reaching home computers. Alan McKee, who with academics Catharine Lumby and Kath Albury is conducting the Understanding Pornography in Australia study, said that a survey of more than 1000 porn-users must be taken into account as Labor considers forcing all internet service providers to automatically filter hardcore porn to protect children. "The surprising finding was that pornography is actually good for you in many ways," Dr McKee said. "When you look at people who are using it in everyday life, over 90 per cent report it has had a very positive effect." Dr McKee said porn users reported it had taught them "to be more relaxed about their sexuality" and marriages were healthier, while porn made people think about another person's pleasure and made them less judgmental about body shapes. "The more we try and turn porn into something that's seen to be bad and has to be kept away from families, the more problems we might be causing for ourselves." Asked whether such results meant pornography was good for children, Dr McKee said: "I think you come there to an issue we can't answer - should children who are 16-years-old be allowed to be sexual?" But the author of the policy before Mark Latham's office - supported by senior Labor figures including ALP national president Carmen Lawrence and communications spokesman Lindsay Tanner - Australia Institute executive director Clive Hamilton said: "No man who regularly uses pornography can have a healthy sexual relationship with a woman. "The question is - how much are we willing to pay to protect our children from damaging pornographic images?" The internet industry is up in arms at the proposals, which it says would be unworkable, and would punish smaller ISPs. Chief executive of the Internet Industry Association, Peter Coroneos, said there were "technical and economic consequences", such as slowing down internet connections, to the approach recommended by the Australia Institute. Complaints about internet porn are handled by the Australian Broadcasting Authority agency Netalert. Communications Minister Helen Coonan accused Labor of "sheer hypocrisy" over the push to crack down on internet porn because its approach had been to "do nothing". But Opposition IT spokeswoman Kate Lundy said Labor had pushed Canberra into legislating on spam and called for greater spending to educate parents, and increased funding for Netalert. 'nuff said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radd Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 Understanding and knowing the facts of a topic are always good things. Too often when things are viewed as 'immoral' or 'evil', there are those that seek to push everything about the topic into the unknown. The idea is not to question, not to ask. Ignorance is bliss. Misconceptions then run rampant. Half truths and outright fallacies are taken as fact by a large portion of society. The original truths, if such truths ever existed at all, that originally brought about the opinion that such a thing was 'evil' are forgotten, and so the remaining belief is completely without context. Something to consider whenever you think to label anything as 'evil'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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