Darth Windu Posted August 30, 2004 Author Share Posted August 30, 2004 I suppose i should start by saying that in my previous post, i was speaking from the perspective of LA, not claiming that i am in any way, shape or form, affiliated with them. Vostok - again, im going to go ahead and disagree. Consumers will be much more prepared to part with their funds for a single game as opposed to a double, and in terms of re-couping costs and whatnot, you simply create an x-pac at the same time as the original game, then release it a bit later. This also means that the best talent doesnt have to de divided between ground or space RTS', and that gamers will have a more epic feel for the SW universe by being able to control the major aspects of it, rather than one or the other. Viceroy - i dont know if you noticed or not, but in my template the maximum number of ships, including Starfighter Squadrons, is 7 - not "millions". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Vostok Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 Windu, I work in the software industry. I know how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joesdomain Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 I would want to have this is a space battle map: Airspeeder or Snowspeeder X-wings Y-wings B-wings A-wings E-wings V-wings K-wings Rebel Medium Transport Rebel Blockade Runners Mon Calamari Star Cruiser Millenium Falcon Tie Fighters Tie Interceptors Tie Advanced Tie Avenger Tie Bomber Imperial Lander Imperial Lambda Class Shuttle Imperial Class I Star Destroyer Imperial Class II Star Destroyer Imperial Super Star Destroyer That would be a cool game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 Windu when did i say their would be millions of ships. Did anyone say i needed to obey what someones template says? Joe wouldn't that be overkill since a super star destroyer could propably beat all of that unless it was overwhelming numbers and some of the capitol ships had sucicdal captains and did a few kamikazees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 Vostok- I'm agreeing with Windu on this one I do not want to buy two seperate games. I would choose one or the other. If they were released a couple of years apart then maybe but otherwise I would miss out on one. I would love to have space and ground all in the one game. If LA can pull it off then that will be the new standard set for all other RTS games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 Even froz agrees with what i said. 2 Star wars RTS games at the same time would be competeing for customers. especially with the console and PC owners since PS2 i think is getting some more supposedly good games as well as X Box i can't speak for those 2 but i certainly know that Gamcubes getting some with Mertoid Prime 2 the New Kick Ass Looking Legend Of Zelda Starfox 2 Which i can't wait to come out since i lover Lylat wars and the starfox for the snes The Curoious Starfox advbentures 2 and Pokemon Leaf Green and Fire Red for Gameboy Advance. makes this year and next look like the beggining of Nintendo's Grand Franchise Gaming Offensive UBER OWNAGE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swphreak Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 Who said LA would release them at the same time? I don't know if they have enough teams to makem two RTSs at the same time. Besides, it would be a marketing nightmare to do 2 RTS games at th same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Vostok Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 Yeah, I never said at the same time. Another thing the software industry never does is release two competing products at the same time. Windu and Froz, I'm not talking about sales to the individual, I'm talking about resource allocation for production of software. A game that's trying to include space battles as well as ground battles will not get anymore resources allocated to make it than if they left out space battles altogether. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Windu Posted August 31, 2004 Author Share Posted August 31, 2004 Viceroy - I'm personally against each side having millions of space craft maybe in between 10-20 designs. Vostok - i still disagree with you Joe - apart from the utter stupidity of having an AIRspeeder flying through space, your list contains far too much EU material. Some glaring examples are the K-wing, V-wing (which goes against the Rebel gameplay style), E-wing etc. In addition, what possible role would the Medium Transport or Lambda Shuttle perform? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Vostok Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 Windu, disagree with me all you want. I write software for a living, I know how the industry works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 Not this argument about to much EU again. It is compelty brainless to assume after Episode 6 that nothing happens. how many people would say that in WW2 after the battle of kursk nothing happened. it's the same as saying nothing after the battle of endor nothing happened. Onbviously people mistook me i meant millions of designs and i mean each side should have in between 10-20 designs. Brainless questions again what else would a shuttle or transport do itn would shuttle or transport forces from planet to planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Windu Posted August 31, 2004 Author Share Posted August 31, 2004 Viceroy - but we arent trying to set the game 50 years after Episode 6. In my template, the player goes from the Clone Wars until the battle where the Rebels take Coruscant. This is because going too far beond that will alienate the vast majority of game buyers and reduce the overall quality of the game. Therefore, EU rubbish like the E, K and V-wings are irrelevant. As for the Lambda Shuttle and Medium Transport, when you consider that this thread is about a Space RTT, and i have said that planets will only be for decoration, i would say it's pretty brainless to say that they would transport forces from planet to planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Vostok I don't know who you work for but I'm sure you don't have the resources that LA have. If they want to allocate 75% of there resources on an RTS if they knew it would be successful I'm sure they would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 I don't recall this thread being about a sperate game it's called how to get spacebattles in GB2 and a lot of people have far grander ideas than some narrow minded people. I say no names people who take offense at that have poor mental standing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Windu Posted September 1, 2004 Author Share Posted September 1, 2004 Viceroy - you are correct in that this thread is about getting space battles into SWGB2. However, one of the points i was making is that to include a space RTS is far too complex, and also if you are using space forces to transport troopers to planets, that somewhat defeats the purpose in having the ground based RTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Vostok Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 It is compelty brainless to assume after Episode 6 that nothing happensIt seems Viceroy has a new favourite word to replace "truth". Expect to see "brainless" in just about all Viceroy's posts from now on. While on the subject of brainless assumptions, I should point out that Star Wars is a story, and not real life. What happens after Romeo and Juliet die? What happens after Alice leaves Wonderland? What heppens when Dorothy is safely back hom in Kansas? No one knows, and for the most part no one cares. That's because these are STORIES, just like Star Wars is a story. What happens before "once upon a time" and after "everyone lives happily ever after" is of no consequence, or it too would be included in the story. Now, back on topic, I will concur that the thread should move back to discussing space battles in GB2 as opposed to a separate title. I suppose Windu's idea could work, but rather than having the option to "turn it off" there should rather be the option to play a single random map game, or a Conquer the Galaxy type game, with space battles only taking place in the Conquer the Galaxy game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Or better yet you can select a game mode like Planaterry Combat and Interplanantery combat and depending on which map you select would determine how much space combat their would be. Vostok surely you know me better than that. i'm insulted if you think i'm that predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Star Wars is far more advanced than any of those movies. If its just a story to you why are you on these forums for like 3 years now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 And Thoust Shallst Hear The Truth From Most Unexpected Places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Vostok Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Originally posted by FroZticles Star Wars is far more advanced than any of those movies. If its just a story to you why are you on these forums for like 3 years now? I never said there was anything wrong with it being a story. Why can't I love a story this much? Of course it's a story, what else could it be? Or do you think Star Wars is real? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Windu Posted September 2, 2004 Author Share Posted September 2, 2004 In this regard i agree with Vostok. Star Wars is not onl a story, it is more specifically the story of Anakin Skywalker and the events occuring around him. The six films chrocile Anakin's entry as a iJedi, his fall from power and subsequent return to the light side to save the life of his son. Therefore, after RotJ there is no more story to tell. Certainly the people and the events keep rolling on, but in regards to the core of SW it is completely and utterly unimportant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 That is merely your opinion as to the core of SW do not purport to claim it as fact I think the Core Of star Wars is the Galactic Turmoil and the fall and rise of the jedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Vostok Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Of course it is merely our opinion. Though the fact it is exactly the same as the opinion of George Lucas, the creator of Star Wars, should not be ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 I would be fascinated to see where he says this. If you are obsessed with that argument then you could easily say that makes EU increadibly important because of the aftermath of Anakin SKywalkers Actions and what Happens to his Offspring and their off spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 I'm sure he said somewhere that Star Wars was about the story of Anakin Skywalker. I'll have to search for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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