El Sitherino Posted October 24, 2004 Share Posted October 24, 2004 Originally posted by CagedCrado Just because something doesnt have a use doesnt mean that it is useless. use·less adj. 1. Being or having no beneficial use; futile or ineffective. 2. Incapable of functioning or assisting; ineffectual useless \Use"less\, a. Having, or being of, no use. sorry, just had to respond to that. Originally posted by CagedCrado And those weapons do have a use, sport shooting and target practice. There is no reason not to allow sport shooting with any type of weapon to test your mental skill and ability with fire arms. and noone here (that I know of) is saying that you can't sport with them. Acquire a hunting license and purchase a deer rifle. Originally posted by CagedCrado It isnt about self defense, it is about the right to do what you want to do. but like everything there are boundaries to do what you want to do, I'm under 21 and I want to drink, does that mean the government is wrong for imposing a restriction on my right to do what I want to do, yes. But because others have made wrong decisions, in order to protect the majority of people, they had to pass laws that restricted consumption of alcohol by teens. Drunk Driving was/is a serious risk, especially among teens, sad but true fact. what about those that just wanted some fun, so they drugged a girl and raped her? Surely they were just doing what they wanted to do. Sadly people have ruined it for the gun nuts, and I think it's time we establish some rules about guns and their purchasing. Originally posted by CagedCrado Also to the person comparing gun deaths from the UK to the US, there are more gun deaths in the UK per population, even if you consider you didnt take full information from the US. US population: 293 million (cia world factbook) UK population: 60 million that is a 5:1 ratio, so there should be 5 times more gun deaths in the united states, or about 50-60,000. Which there arent according to you. I've addressed this before somewhere. I'll see if I can find it again. Originally posted by CagedCrado To change any of the first ten ammendments is a violation of my unalienable rights, and will be the end of my residency in the united states. To outlaw firearms is the same as outlawing freedom of speech. The same as if they outlawed computers or star wars or the media, or whatever you liberals do for entertainment. please cut the mindless bull****ting and slander. Restricting your having of weapons is not equatable to having your freedom of speech taken away. I have yet to hear of words killing someone. Also, you aren't legally capable of buying a nuclear bomb, but it seems that it's well within your rights to buy one, why aren't you protesting that? Or do you think that's another liberal ploy to infringe on your rights? Sure you have rights, but so do others. Originally posted by CagedCrado I dont own guns, but i know an infringement on unalienable rights when i see one. what about all the innocent people killed because someone wacked out gun nut shouting "i have my rights" shot them. They had rights too, the right to live. The people purposefully gunned down with legally purchased assualt rifles, ak-47's, m16's, and other various AR's. What about their rights? all I propose is we ban sale of assault rifle and high caliber gun and handguns. You can purchase a single shot rifle if you present a valid hunting license and permit. 9mm handguns are fine enough to protect your home, if you truely value the skill of a shot, a 9mm is enough to kill someone with one shot to the head. Finally, stop tossing rhetoric. Your constant blaming the "liberals" is no better (and no more founded) than hitlers blaming of jews for germany's and the worlds problems. You want someone to blame, blame the fundamentalists that cause these speaks of banning weapons, blame the nuts that cause the "liberal slandering" of hobbyists. Own up to reality, not everything is the fault of commie pinko, fag loving liberals. [fun fact] from the 20's even up to the 50's and 60's democrats were actually the conservative bunch.[/fun fact] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 Hunting Rifles - To be kept locked up until certain seasons come about. No shotguns. Hand Guns - Not to be taken off your property; PERIOD. No handguns bigger than a simple 9mm Anything Else - BANNED Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 *high fives kain* precisely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapNColostomy Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 Originally posted by Kain Hunting Rifles - To be kept locked up until certain seasons come about. No shotguns. Hand Guns - Not to be taken off your property; PERIOD. No handguns bigger than a simple 9mm Anything Else - BANNED Why not shotguns? I'm just curious, because that doesn't make any sense if you want them banned for some hippy tree hugging reasons. They're not all that lethal unless you're a bird, or it's being fired at you at close range. A hunting rifle is far more lethal. And the term "hunting rifle" is a pretty broad category, isnt it? Any rifle, can be used for hunting afterall, yes? I know what you mean, even if I don't agree. I was just nitpicking a little. So no need to point that out. Anyways, here's hoping someone comes along real soon and wants to ban something you like and use lawfully. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 Originally posted by CapNColostomy Anyways, here's hoping someone comes along real soon and wants to ban something you like and use lawfully. Cheers! skateboarding is not a crime!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapNColostomy Posted October 25, 2004 Share Posted October 25, 2004 Originally posted by toms skateboarding is not a crime!! lmao Pretty good, toms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 let me put it this way, it is our constitutional right to own a gun. and i think all guns should be allowed, everything from handguns to rifles to assault rifles. They are all allowed by the original constitution, and we should uphold that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 then I demand a 60 megaton hydrogen bomb. It is my right as an american citizen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Originally posted by InsaneSith then I demand a 60 megaton hydrogen bomb. It is my right as an american citizen. I am not aware that bombs are constitutionally allowed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 bombs are arms, arms are what is used in the constitution. The right to bear arms, now give me my bomb, I want to go hunting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 if you can afford it, you can have it.... nobody said they would give it to you for free. But, by all means, you should be allowed to buy it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Indeed, my money to spend on the bomb. so what I may kill a few thousand people, but it's my right as an american citizen to purchase this weapon. I wish to go squirrel and pigeon hunting in New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 feel free to, however, you had better hope you have PLENTY of money to buy this bomb of yours, and you better have a d*** good lawyer to keep your a** from being thrown in a gas chamber, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 hunting accident. I had no idea they were there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Originally posted by InsaneSith hunting accident. I had no idea they were there. then i guarantee you will land your butt in prison for life on several million counts of manslaughter. in addition, the constitution does not give you the right to use the arms, just to own them, the gov't can still limit their use, (although, IMO, they shouldn't) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 I see... well they should have known better than to walk into the hunting range without a vest on, for all I knew they were a deer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 you would still get pinned for manslaughter because of your neglect. You should know new york isn't a hunting range, and it would be your negligenc for using too powerful a weapon on the range. It would be neglect, it would be manslaughter, you would be jailed, also, if someone wanders onto a range, and you shoot them, i guarantee you would get prison time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET Warrior Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Fair enough, I wasn a rocket launcher then, and I will go Bear hunting in the mountains. No worries about forest fires, it's okay, I was exercising my constitutional right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shok_Tinoktin Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Originally posted by Lieutenant_kettch in addition, the constitution does not give you the right to use the arms, just to own them, the gov't can still limit their use I think people are forgetting to read this. And aren't there international laws about nuclear proliferation, that would prevent someone from who doesn't already own nuclear weapons from getting them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Originally posted by Shok_Tinoktin I think people are forgetting to read this. And aren't there international laws about nuclear proliferation, that would prevent someone from who doesn't already own nuclear weapons from getting them? they are not reading that... crazy folk and you are correct about the second part, although i think i still had a point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider AL Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Hunting Rifles - To be kept locked up until certain seasons come about. No shotguns. Hand Guns - Not to be taken off your property; PERIOD. No handguns bigger than a simple 9mm Anything Else - BANNED Correct me if I'm wrong, Kain, but wasn't the right to bear arms put into the US constitution to make sure that the people could defend themselves against a corrupt, undemocratic government, should the need arise? How will they do that with handguns and the odd hunting rifle? It makes sense that the law-abiding public should have whatever weaponry they like. Criminals will get their fully automatic guns in spite of laws, not because of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted October 27, 2004 Share Posted October 27, 2004 Originally posted by Spider AL Correct me if I'm wrong, Kain, but wasn't the right to bear arms put into the US constitution to make sure that the people could defend themselves against a corrupt, undemocratic government, should the need arise? Where was the revolution when Bush came into power?! It's not the smartest thing in there. However will instaure a dictatorship on a country is sure to have the backing of the army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Sitherino Posted October 28, 2004 Share Posted October 28, 2004 humour is the funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toms Posted October 28, 2004 Share Posted October 28, 2004 but does anyone seriously foresee a time when the general population of the US is going to rise up and overthrow a corrupt government? Cos i can't see that i can. It made sense to add it to the constitution at the time, and after the war of independence... but i hardly think we are in the same situation these days. If the constitution is to allow guns to protect democracy, then it doesn't protect their use for self defence or hunting, does it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant_kettch Posted October 28, 2004 Share Posted October 28, 2004 umm, im pretty sure the constitution never said that they were to be used to protect democracy, that may have been the original reason they though of it, but if it were only for that reason, that would hve been written in, it allows, for the u.s. citizen to bear arms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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