Darth Windu Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 Not really. The Jedi would be extremely strong if you could get them right up to the enemy, and would also be useful for shielding Clone Troopers while they pick off the droids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 So they're basically very strong units used as...canon fodder? Then again, if they're trying to run up against a Confederate enemy who's known for massing units, how will they get near them without getting mowed down by a massive barrage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 The survivors of the arena managed to survive when leading clones out into battle. They stand infront and deflect shots while the Clones deal the damage to the droids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 They seemed more to be like leaders charging ahead of their forces in battle. A bunch of Jedi cannot seriously hope to deflect enough fire, outnumbered as they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Windu Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 luke - correct. But with the arena, there were heaps of Jedi, so they were able to withstand it. On the battlefield though, while the Jedi deflect shots, the Clone Troopers shoot at the droids, which reduces the amount of work the Jedi have to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted December 27, 2004 Author Share Posted December 27, 2004 Windu your neglecting the fact that quite a lot of the Jedi in the arena actually DIED. we didn't see the jedi going forward deflecting bolts so the clone troopers could fire unhindred we saw the Jedi giving the orders, the same is true with EU, once again you are following your own fantasy not Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Yes alot of Jedi died but also there most powerful ones are still alive. (For now anyways) More died during the on going Clone Wars thats what the whole war was about to secure the Clones in the galaxy and to kill the Jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Windu Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 Viceroy - no, i'm not. If you had paid attention, which for you seems impossible, you would have noticed that i have already said that Jedi should do really well against a few droids, but be vulnerable to massed fire - which is exactly what happened at Geonosis. As for the Jedi and Clones, we did NOT see them giving orders, but we did see them deflecting shots from droids - pay attention to the films a bit more boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted December 28, 2004 Author Share Posted December 28, 2004 So I suppose you've actually seen the films considering what you come up with I doubt it. I on the other hand watch them at least once a week. Master Yoda says for the Clones -"concentrate your fire on the nearest starship" no hesitation to do so. Master windu when the clone commander says "sir we have severval commando divisions at your orders," does master windu not say "this way"? I think those would class as the jedi leading the army. Windu what would you define as a war? a handful of droids firing or millions of droids clashing with millions of clones? if the Jedi did what you propose is their role than the Jedi would have all died in the first year of the Clone Wars. Get a Grip Windu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted December 28, 2004 Share Posted December 28, 2004 On the DVD GL said that the Jedi were the Generals on the Battle of Geonosis. We actually did see Windu deflecting a bolt while running into battle. It would have been suicide if they run right up to there front lines and started melee combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted December 28, 2004 Author Share Posted December 28, 2004 well yeah they're obviously gonna delflect a bolt or two otherwise they;d be dead, It's just Windu not actually knowing the films, and he calls himself a Purist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Windu Posted December 28, 2004 Share Posted December 28, 2004 Viceroy- I on the other hand watch them at least once a week. Do I really have to point out how sad that is? Master windu when the clone commander says "sir we have severval commando divisions at your orders," Piece of advice, if you are going to use quotes, at least try to get them right. The Clone actually says "five special commando units", not several divisions LOL. Do you even have any idea how big a division is? Windu what would you define as a war? a handful of droids firing or millions of droids clashing with millions of clones? War is rather subjective, in that it cannot be defined by just numbers. I mean, if war is defined by a million beligerants, what do you call a conflict with 999,999 beligerants? if the Jedi did what you propose is their role than the Jedi would have all died in the first year of the Clone Wars I fail to see how. Since the Jedi would have been protecting the Clones, and the Clones would have been killing the Droids, how would the Jedi all be killed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted December 29, 2004 Author Share Posted December 29, 2004 Since there would be hundreds if not thousands of clones and driods in a battle and if even half the droids focused fire on the jedi the jedi would be dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 Focus fire has always been apart of RTS especially against heroes. Its something you cannot avoid except just running away or just not getting yourself into those situations which most Jedi don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted December 30, 2004 Author Share Posted December 30, 2004 so once AGAIN Gameplay + Realism > Windu's idea of how jedi work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Windu Posted December 30, 2004 Share Posted December 30, 2004 ...huh? Viceroy, had you been paying attention you would have seen that I said that JEDI SHOULD BE VERY POWERFUL BUT VULNERABLE TO MASSED FIRE. That is good for realism, because it is how the Jedi work in the films, and it's good for gameplay, because it means the Jedi aren't god units. Therefore, I would appreciate it you would qualify your statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 So tell me Mr Gameplay, how in hell will the Rebels counter the Jedi? I mean, realistically, they have less units so they couldn't use mass fire against the Jedi. Ooo I know, let's give them a specific counter unit. That's excellent for gameplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Give the Rebels the ability to call a ally with the enemies Jedi since Rebels don't kill Light Jedi. Closest thing to realism you will get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted December 31, 2004 Author Share Posted December 31, 2004 Windu Mr.Gamplay? that's the best joke I've heard all year Luke you should be given an award for it:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Originally posted by FroZticles Give the Rebels the ability to call a ally with the enemies Jedi since Rebels don't kill Light Jedi. Closest thing to realism you will get Yeah! Call in a battlalion of Sith! That's excellent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DK_Viceroy Posted December 31, 2004 Author Share Posted December 31, 2004 That's even funnier I can't wait for Windu to see that He'll FLIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Windu Posted December 31, 2004 Share Posted December 31, 2004 Viceroy - good grief man, get a life luke - why wouldn't the Rebels be able to kill Jedi? As I said before, the Jedi should not be god units, just very powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukeiamyourdad Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 And you also said they were vulnerable to mass fire. Thus, the Clones, Imperials and Confederacy all have better counters to the Jedi then the Rebels since they can mass more units. If you sent an equal force of Jedi against a full battallion of Droids, they would deal less damage but hit them a hell of a lot more often while the Rebels would hit them a lot less often for a bit more damage. They can't mount a massive barrage like the other civs thus making them more vulnerable to the Jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FroZticles Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 Rebels would have more quality then quantity so a group of 20 droids or whaterver needed to kill one Jedi but only 10 Rebel troops needed for the same task. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Windu Posted January 1, 2005 Share Posted January 1, 2005 luke - what FroZ said is correct. Although the Rebels would field smaller ground armies, they would be better quality than the droids or stormies, and remember that the Rebel air force could easily pick off the Jedi because they could not attack airborne targets. In terms of how they would play, the Rebel ground forces would be the shield, while their air force would be their sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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