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when i finally got my xbox i ws going to make a sarcastic comment about the size of the controller... then i found out the one that came with my xbox was actually the SMALL ONE!!!! omg! WTF was the original like? Its still bigger than the ps2 or gc ones...

 

Oh, the consensus is that the orb isn't a trackball (bad placement) but a "live button" to connect to the live dashboard etc... (ms is pushing live as a fully integral part of the 36).

 

The arrows may be to allow you to select wireless frequencies? maybe...

 

endgaget also has some leaked xbox and live specs (not authenticated).... and kotaku is reporting that developers have said that the PS3 blow the 360 out of the water Power-wise.

 

But of course its coming out later, so it would be more powerfull...

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Originally posted by toms

when i finally got my xbox i ws going to make a sarcastic comment about the size of the controller... then i found out the one that came with my xbox was actually the SMALL ONE!!!! omg! WTF was the original like? Its still bigger than the ps2 or gc ones...

 

 

One word. HUGE.

 

It's like comparing Star Jones before her procedure and now.

 

Big difference.

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Woot.

 

http://engadget.com/entry/1234000777043180/

 

I guess that explains it all.

 

Wait, no it doesn't.

 

Here are the full res pictures of the mag scans.

 

And uh, 56k, don't try unless you're hardcore about wanting to wait so long to see the pics.

 

http://www.cmd.tech.nhl.nl/users/rooij100/images/360/1.jpg

http://www.cmd.tech.nhl.nl/users/rooij100/images/360/2.jpg

http://www.cmd.tech.nhl.nl/users/rooij100/images/360/3.jpg

http://www.cmd.tech.nhl.nl/users/rooij100/images/360/4.jpg

 

Also, don't forget about the big MTV premiere tonight at 9:30 EST (8:30 my time! ;))

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Originally posted by Acrylic

Woot.

 

http://engadget.com/entry/1234000777043180/

 

I guess that explains it all.

 

Wait, no it doesn't.

 

Here are the full res pictures of the mag scans.

 

And uh, 56k, don't try unless you're hardcore about wanting to wait so long to see the pics.

 

http://www.cmd.tech.nhl.nl/users/rooij100/images/360/1.jpg

http://www.cmd.tech.nhl.nl/users/rooij100/images/360/2.jpg

http://www.cmd.tech.nhl.nl/users/rooij100/images/360/3.jpg

http://www.cmd.tech.nhl.nl/users/rooij100/images/360/4.jpg

 

Also, don't forget about the big MTV premiere tonight at 9:30 EST (8:30 my time! ;))

 

First off, it's in about an hour? Sheesh.

 

Anyways, while the pictures are bleh(I can care less as long as it's not overly flamboyant) I'm also looking at the specs. 3 3.2 ghz intel processors, 500mhz Ati processor with 10 megs of embedded ram(alot faster than regular video memory) but the laser drive supports only up to dual-layer dvd's. 10 gb's total per cd, which is rather bad compared to the new Blu-Ray cd developed by Sony which holds 50gb.

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Originally posted by Tyrion

First off, it's in about an hour? Sheesh.

 

Anyways, while the pictures are bleh(I can care less as long as it's not overly flamboyant) I'm also looking at the specs. 3 3.2 ghz intel processors, 500mhz Ati processor with 10 megs of embedded ram(alot faster than regular video memory) but the laser drive supports only up to dual-layer dvd's. 10 gb's total per cd, which is rather bad compared to the new Blu-Ray cd developed by Sony which holds 50gb.

 

I think Microsoft did that to keep down on the cost of games.

 

But I don't know. They keep boasting this whole High-definition thing, but yet they don't support HD-DVD's?

 

WTF, I say.

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Originally posted by Acrylic

I think Microsoft did that to keep down on the cost of games.

 

But I don't know. They keep boasting this whole High-definition thing, but yet they don't support HD-DVD's?

 

WTF, I say.

 

Not that it matters much, as Toshiba(who made the HD-DVD's) isn't going to use them as it's partnered up with Sony to manufacture Blu-Ray.

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I think it is safe to assume that we won't have to worry about games getting larger than 10gb for some time, guys. But in a few hours, the MTV thing starts, so look in your TV Guide and get ready! :D

 

TiE

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Originally posted by TiE 23

I think it is safe to assume that we won't have to worry about games getting larger than 10gb for some time, guys. But in a few hours, the MTV thing starts, so look in your TV Guide and get ready! :D

 

TiE

 

Uh, actually, it ended 22 minutes ago.

 

and it sucked.

 

 

Anyways, here is the back of the controller, I took a printscreen of it from xbox360.com

 

360controllerback.jpg

 

There are no black and white buttons, but they've been replaced by buttons that remind me of R1 and R2 buttons from the Playstation.

 

Hmm, wonder how they'll adapt that to gaming...

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Here's a bunch of specs ripped of some site somewhere...

 

Xbox 360 Specs:

 

CPU

 

* 3 symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each

* 2 hardware threads per core; 6 threads total

* 1 VMX-128 vector unit per core; 3 total

* 128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread

* 1MB L2 Cache

* 9 billion dot product operations per second

 

Custom ATI GPU:

 

* 500 MHz Clock Speed

* 10 MB embedded DRAM

* 48-way parallel floating-point dynamically-scheduled shader pipelines

* Unified shader architecture

* 500 million triangles per second polygon performance

* 16 gigasamples per second pixel fillrate using 4X MSAA

* 48 billion shader operations per second

 

Memory:

 

* 512 MB GDDR3 RAM

* 700 MHz DDR

* Unified memory architecture

* 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth

* 256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM

* 21.6 GB/s front-side bus

 

Overall System Floating-Point Performance:

 

* 1 TFLOP

 

Storage:

 

* Detachable and upgradeable 20 GB hard drive

* 12X dual-layer DVD-ROM

* Memory unit support starting at 64 MB

 

Input/Output:

 

* Support for up to 4 wireless game controllers

* 3 USB 2.0 ports - 2 front concealed under flap, 1 rear - compatible with all USB devices

* 2 memory unit slots

 

Digital Media Support:

 

* Support for DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, JPEG Photo CD

* Stream media from portable music devices, digital cameras, Windows XP PCs

* Rip music to Xbox 360 hard drive

* Custom playlists in every game

* Windows Media Center Extender built in

* Interactive, full screen 3D visualizers

 

HD Game Support:

 

* All games supported at 16:9, 720p and 1080i, anti-aliasing

* Standard definition and high definition video output supported

* Multichannel surround sound output

* Supports 48 KHz 16-bit audio

* 320 independent decompression channels

* 32-bit audio processing

* Over 256 audio channels

 

Optimized for Online:

 

* Instant, out-of-the-box access to Xbox Live features, including Xbox Live Marketplace for downloadable content, Gamer Profile for digital identity and voice chat to talk to friends while playing games, watching movies or listening to music

* Built in Ethernet Port at rear of console

* Wi-Fi Ready: 802.11 A, B and G

* Video Camera Ready

 

Wireless Controllers:

 

* 'Black' & 'White' buttons moved to shoulders of controller; now known as 'Bumpers'

* 'Expansion Jack' & 'Audio Jack' located at the bottom of controller

* Found at the top of controller is the 'Charge Port,' where the 'Play-Charge' recharging cable is connected

 

Jazz:

 

* Stands vertically or horizontally

* Interchangeable faceplates to personalize console to owners tastes

* In addition to summoning the Xbox Gamer Guide and the Xbox System Guide, Xbox Guide Button on controller and DVD remote lets gamers turn their systems on and off while kicking back on the couch

* 'Ring of Light' on console and controller communicates different events to player with varying patterns and colours, such as a new Xbox Live game invite being sent; many more cool actions displayable

 

Xbox Live For The Next Generation

 

Increased Flexibility

 

* Xbox Live, Silver - No monthly subscription required

* Xbox Live, Gold - Standard monthly subscription required

 

Benefits of Xbox Live, Gold

 

Unified Service Approach

* Xbox Gamer Guide that provides a consistent interface across all experiences

* Access to other players' Gamer Cards via Xbox Live

* Xbox Guide Button for fast access to the Guide and online features

* Personalized game play settings

* Seamless transition of Xbox Live account from Xbox to Xbox 360

 

Xbox Live Online Game Play

* Access to MMOs (additional fees may apply)

* Free Xbox Live weekends

* Multiplayer online game play

 

Xbox Live Gamer Profile

* 'Gamertile' personalized image for your gamer profile

* Personalized 'Motto' for your gaming profile

* Personalized look for the Xbox System Guide

* Collection of offline achievements

* Collection of online achievements

* Personalized 'Gamertag'

 

Xbox Live Intelligent Matchmaking

* 'Gamer Score' - Part of Gamer Profile: cumulative score of all of achievements. Can be used for quick comparison with other gamers

* 'Location/Language' - Part of Gamer Profile: identifies your location and preferred language

* 'Reputation' - Part of Gamer Profile: rating provided by community that indicates how you are perceived by other players

* Enhanced matchmaking using above elements of gamer profile

* Choice of matchmaking based on either skill level or social play

* Opportunity to provide feedback on other players and affect your likelihood to match with them in the future

* 'Gamerzone' - Part of Gamer Profile: indicates style of social gaming you prefer - relaxed/casual, competitive, etc.

 

Xbox Live Community

* Friends List; online presence

* Recent Players List

* Ubiquitous voice chat in game

* Ubiquitous voice chat out of game

 

Xbox Live Marketplace

* Credit card no longer required for Xbox Live access

* Free and premium downloadable game content

* Free and premium downloadable movies, music and TV

* Downloadable game trailers/demos

* Microtranscations

 

Xbox Live Message Center

* Game Invites

* Friend Invites

* Text and Voice Messages

* Service/System Messages

 

Digital Media Experiences

* Custom playlists in every game

* Play music from portable music devices

* View pictures from digital cameras

* Stream Media from connected Windows XP PC

* Windows Media Center Extender built in

* Interactive, full screen 3D visualizers

* Track Info for CDs (Offline & Online)

 

Parental Controls

* Game play based on game rating (e.g. ESRB)

* Managing Friends List

* Sharing profiles and/or viewing other profiles

* Communicating via voice, video, and/or text

* Presence

* Ability to purchase premium content in marketplace

* Ability to play multiplayer online

 

Benefits of Xbox Live, Silver

 

Unified Service Approach

* Xbox Gamer Guide that provides a consistent interface across all experiences

* Access to other players' Gamer Cards via Xbox Live

* Xbox Guide Button for fast access to the Guide and online features

* Personalized game play settings

 

Xbox Live Online Game Play

* Access to MMOs (additional fees may apply)

* Free Xbox Live weekends

 

Xbox Live Gamer Profile

* 'Gamertile' personalized image for your gamer profile

* Personalized 'Motto' for your gaming profile

* Personalized look for the Xbox System Guide

* Collection of offline achievements

* Collection of online achievements

* Personalized 'Gamertag'

 

Xbox Live Intelligent Matchmaking

* 'Gamer Score' - Part of Gamer Profile: cumulative score of all of achievements. Can be used for quick comparison with other gamers

* 'Location/Language' - Part of Gamer Profile: identifies your location and preferred language

* 'Reputation' - Part of Gamer Profile: rating provided by community that indicates how you are perceived by other players

 

Xbox Live Community

* Friends List; online presence

* Recent Players List

* Ubiquitous voice chat in game

* Ubiquitous voice chat out of game

 

Xbox Live Marketplace

* Credit card no longer required for Xbox Live access

* Free and premium downloadable game content

* Free and premium downloadable movies, music and TV

* Downloadable game trailers/demos

* Microtranscations

 

Xbox Live Message Center

* Game Invites

* Friend Invites

* Text and Voice Messages

* Service/System Messages

 

Digital Media Experiences

* Custom playlists in every game

* Play music from portable music devices

* View pictures from digital cameras

* Stream Media from connected Windows XP PC

* Windows Media Center Extender built in

* Interactive, full screen 3D visualizers

* Track Info for CDs (Offline & Online)

 

Parental Controls

* Game play based on game rating (e.g. ESRB)

* Managing Friends List

* Sharing profiles and/or viewing other profiles

* Communicating via voice, video, and/or text

* Presence

* Ability to purchase premium content in marketplace

 

For those stuck offline

 

Unified Service Approach

* Xbox Gamer Guide that provides a consistent interface across all experiences

* Xbox Guide Button for fast access to the Guide and online features

* Personalized game play settings

 

Xbox Live Gamer Profile

* 'Gamertile' personalized image for your gamer profile

* Personalized 'Motto' for your gaming profile

* Personalized look for the Xbox System Guide

* Collection of offline achievements

* Collection of online achievements

 

Xbox Live Intelligent Matchmaking

* 'Gamer Score' - Part of Gamer Profile: cumulative score of all of achievements. Can be used for quick comparison with other gamers

* 'Location/Language' - Part of Gamer Profile: identifies your location and preferred language

 

Xbox Live Marketplace

* Credit card no longer required for Xbox Live access

 

Digital Media Experiences

* Custom playlists in every game

* Play music from portable music devices

* View pictures from digital cameras

* Stream Media from connected Windows XP PC

* Windows Media Center Extender built in

* Interactive, full screen 3D visualizers

* Track Info for CDs (Offline & Online)

 

Parental Controls

* Game play based on game rating (e.g. ESRB)

 

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I might actually be interested in this console in light of some of the titles coming out on it. It's a shame it's not backwards compatible with the Xbox - because I imagine those games would be coming down in price a lot. Some seem to think that someone may make an emulator - but other than that, you'd be stuck with your old Xbox to play old Xbox games...

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Originally posted by Acrylic

Uh, actually, it ended 22 minutes ago.

 

and it sucked.

Time zones are a horrible thing I am afraid, and yah, I was pissed off from the show, too.

3 minutes acumulative of the actuall Xbox

5 minutes acumulative of the actuall Xbox 360 games

22 minutes of other crap of new age street kids making video games look cool.

Fat.jpg

 

And 3 3.2ghz CPUs? Woah

 

TiE

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I don't want this to sound like a shameless promotion, because it is not at all.

 

GameStop is taking reservations for the X-Box 360 until close of business this sunday. A 4 day window is extreme, but based on the sales of our current x-box (both new and used sell out on a daily basis) this one will be hard to come bye.

 

The reserve minimum is steep, ($50 guarentees you a system), however you are not out any actual money, because you simply pay the rest of it when you come in.

 

I only had about 6 reserves so far, but tomorrow and the rest of this weekend could be a different story.

 

I myself am not yet decided. I think I would lean one way or another if I found out there was some promotional material (like a free game for the first x number sold), but all I know right now, is that it retails for about $299, and will cost more for the additional hard drive wich will make it backwards compatible. There WERE however several phone calls and customers asking about this. Could be exciting.

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Originally posted by abespam

so "Multiplayer online game play" is only for gold (paying) service not for silver (free).. that sucks.. why else would u want xbox live..

Well, my buddy who doesn't have the new Halo 3 map pack could still download it, even when he doesn't pay around $50 for a subscription.

 

My word: Start counting your pennies.

 

TiE

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heh, I saw this too.... astro summary:

 

*yes madden looked awesome

*yes, the new xb360 looks shyte, like a bit of mac hardware :p

*yes, the ps3 is gonna pwn it [/sony fanboy]

 

*what Im REALLY looking forward to is what flaws Nintendo are gonna try real hard to make with their concepts and strategies for the N-rev :p

 

mtfbwya

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Originally posted by Astrotoy7

*yes, the new xb360 looks shyte, like a bit of mac hardware :p

*yes, the ps3 is gonna pwn it [/sony fanboy]

 

*what Im REALLY looking forward to is what flaws Nintendo are gonna try real hard to make with their concepts and strategies for the N-rev :p

Yay for flaimbaiting. \o/
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Some of the launch titles looked impressive, but there are some that I will end up getting for PC... Really, FPS is not my choice at all for consoles. So that's a year later to see the titles that come about. MTV, what a waste of 30 minutes when I all I could do is just go to one of the preview/review websites such as tomeshardware to and just read up on it in a few minutes... Not much in the game line up on the show either.. I expected better, but I'll never waste my time with MTV again.

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Originally posted by Tokarev

Some of the launch titles looked impressive, but there are some that I will end up getting for PC... Really, FPS is not my choice at all for consoles. So that's a year later to see the titles that come about. MTV, what a waste of 30 minutes when I all I could do is just go to one of the preview/review websites such as tomeshardware to and just read up on it in a few minutes... Not much in the game line up on the show either.. I expected better, but I'll never waste my time with MTV again.

 

:wstupid:

 

Although it would probably be cheaper just to get an xbox than it would be to upgrade your computer >_>

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I still have one question though.

 

Will it for sure be backwards compatible?

 

Because I didn't hear that it was, or wasn't going to be.

 

It better be, on account of I don't want to have to hook the Xbox up again just to play Fable, Halo 2, or Soul Calibur 2.

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The problem with backwards compatibility is that the original Xbox ran on an nVIDIA graphics processor. When software makes calls to a chipset to produce visuals it uses code specific to that hardware. Xbox 360 runs on an ATI graphics chip meaning that code from last generation games will need to be recompiled or emulated in order to work on the system. Does this mean that consumers will have to chuck their beloved Xbox libraries? Not necessarily. There is a chance that Xbox 360 will have the ability to emulate the old system, though nothing has been announced as of yet.

 

 

Taken from IGN's FAQ's page.

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Originally posted by IG-64

The problem with backwards compatibility is that the original Xbox ran on an nVIDIA graphics processor. When software makes calls to a chipset to produce visuals it uses code specific to that hardware. Xbox 360 runs on an ATI graphics chip meaning that code from last generation games will need to be recompiled or emulated in order to work on the system. Does this mean that consumers will have to chuck their beloved Xbox libraries? Not necessarily. There is a chance that Xbox 360 will have the ability to emulate the old system, though nothing has been announced as of yet.

 

 

Taken from IGN's FAQ's page.

 

Whoa, i was reading that and im like "IG IS SMART???" :eek:

 

Way to dissapoint me IG :rolleyes::p

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