Darth Smaug Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Is darth Sidious/Palpatine/The Emperor the apprentice of Darth Plageus ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 I think we can say with confidence that he is not. This was a false rumor started by Super Shadow, who has consistently been a source of false information and known to steal real spoilers from other sites and claim them as his own discoveries. Palpy refers to it as a "Sith Legend." If this Plagueis character was his own master, that would be like Ex President George Bush Senior talking about "the story of Ronald Reagan" as "an old Republican legend." Maybe he is "a legend" (in the "he's a hero") sense of the word, but not in the sense of a really old story passed on from generation to generation mixing fiction with fact. If he was alive a few decades ago, that wouldn't make it a legend. Also, he talks about these "gifts" that Plagueis had, but he himself doesn't know those gifts, but the apprentice of Plagueis supposedly did. So (Palpatine) he can't be the apprentice. That is, unless we just assume Palpatine is always lying, but then there's no conclusion we can draw from it all, period. There may not even BE such a person as "Darth Plagueis." The point is that it was a story told to Anakin in order to get him interested in the Sith and what they could do for him. Like I've said elsewhere, we'll probably never really know who Palpatine's master was, just to keep a few mysteries around in the mythos. Then again, tomorrow Lucas might authorize some comic book to be made where it is revealed he was trained by "Darth Pumpernickle." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kryllith Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Originally posted by Kurgan I think we can say with confidence that he is not. This was a false rumor started by Super Shadow, who has consistently been a source of false information and known to steal real spoilers from other sites and claim them as his own discoveries. How do we know the rumor is false? Frankly I've been avoiding all spoilers and rumors until I saw the movie, so I've no frame of mind for whomever Super Shadow is, but in watching Palpatine telling of the story I got the feeling that he was talking about his old master. Palpy refers to it as a "Sith Legend." If this Plagueis character was his own master, that would be like Ex President George Bush Senior talking about "the story of Ronald Reagan" as "an old Republican legend." Maybe he is "a legend" (in the "he's a hero") sense of the word, but not in the sense of a really old story passed on from generation to generation mixing fiction with fact. If he was alive a few decades ago, that wouldn't make it a legend. At the time of his referencing him as a legend, Palpatine had not yet reveled that he himself was a sith lord. It could have been that he referred to Plagius as a legend to deceive Anakin into thinking it was something that happened a long time ago and thus not give away the truth about himself too soon since Anakin wasn't fully in sway at the time. Given that Sideous is known for being deceptive, I wouldn't put this past him... Also, he talks about these "gifts" that Plagueis had, but he himself doesn't know those gifts, but the apprentice of Plagueis supposedly did. So (Palpatine) he can't be the apprentice. That is, unless we just assume Palpatine is always lying, but then there's no conclusion we can draw from it all, period. There may not even BE such a person as "Darth Plagueis." The point is that it was a story told to Anakin in order to get him interested in the Sith and what they could do for him. In the movie, I read this to mean that Palpatine was instructed on how these "gifts" could be performed, but that Palpatine lacked the power to actually carry them out. He states that Plaguis is more powerful than both himself and Anakin. So while perhaps neither one of them could stop death individually, they might be able to combine their powers to achieve the same effect, provided they could discover how to do it. Of course, it could have all been a lie told by Sideous to hit Anakin where it counted (saving Amidala's life). Kryllith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 As explained in Labyrinth of Evil, Darth Plagueis is indeed Palpatine's former master. I'm starting to come to the conclusion that LOE is required reading for ROTS. It explains the above, all about Syfo-Dias, Grevious' entire history and origin, as well as the capture of Palpatine and how much his minions know about his grand scheme (hint: very little). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivy Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 you can tell by Palpatine's face when he talks about Plagueis' death that it was he who killed him. and therefore was his apprentice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrotoy7 Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 Originally posted by Sivy you can tell by Palpatine's face when he talks about Plagueis' death that it was he who killed him. and therefore was his apprentice. trueism. that evil/smug look on his face wouldnt have been there if he was merely reciting a sith fairy tale... @ Kurgan : EU will lead you to the truth !! like Prime says, LoE also confirms that Plagueis is Sidious Master. The ROTS novelisation does so too, ive been told from those who have read it Im looking forward to the planned books about the sith lords. The one about Darth Bane has been confirmed. Hopefully there will be a plagueis/sidious novel as well mtfbwya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonKing Posted May 23, 2005 Share Posted May 23, 2005 I have one of those "official Episode 3" picture books and on the pages about Sideous/Palpatine it states explicitly that he was taught by Darth Palgueis...plus it was pretty implicitly implied in the film. I was interested that palpatine said that Plagueis could use midichlorians (spelling?) to create life, implying that perhaps Anakin of the immaculate conception had a source after all...now that would be long-term planning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cavkov Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 Originally posted by Sivy you can tell by Palpatine's face when he talks about Plagueis' death that it was he who killed him. and therefore was his apprentice. Sivy you are a wise master! im totaly with you on this one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediKiller23 Posted May 24, 2005 Share Posted May 24, 2005 Originally posted by Sivy you can tell by Palpatine's face when he talks about Plagueis' death that it was he who killed him. and therefore was his apprentice. I could tell by his face also that he killed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthTDe Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Why else would he know so much,to the point where he could Describe everything in detail.And if he killed him with a lightsaber,he could easily have gotten away with it.Because the authorities at the time couldn't have even told the color of the saber! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil_dude Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 I believe that Palpetine has had this plan going for many years, and that Plageus was his master. Palpetine used the powers Plageus taught him to make Anakin in his mom, in a world where he would not be discovered for many years, and would already be driven by emotion so that it would be easier to turn him. I also think by balance, it means that there is no jedi/sith, but they use both sides of the force equaly, more like Luke i guess. Maybe it was Qui-Gon's destiny to start the chain reaction, by finding Anakin, that lead to this balance because he did seem very in touch with the living force. But we will probly never know, these are just some of my theories on the parts which are meant to be guessed about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leviathan Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 I have one of those "official Episode 3" picture books and on the pages about Sideous/Palpatine it states explicitly that he was taught by Darth Palgueis...plus it was pretty implicitly implied in the film. I have equally this book... But I think the power Plagueis developped to create or restore life has never existed ; It was just a manner to tempt Skywalker better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Smaug Posted August 7, 2005 Author Share Posted August 7, 2005 I have equally this book... But I think the power Plagueis developped to create or restore life has never existed ; It was just a manner to tempt Skywalker better... Well,you're wrong.Everything in the legend of the sith master Darth Pagueis is true,even his powers.Otherwise it wouldn't be a legend and he would be just another sith lord en then the jedi would tell the members of the order that he existed.But they don't tell because he had such great powers that many jedi would go to the darkside to have those powers also.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomie Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Well,you're wrong.Everything in the legend of the sith master Darth Pagueis is true,even his powers.Otherwise it wouldn't be a legend and he would be just another sith lord en then the jedi would tell the members of the order that he existed.But they don't tell because he had such great powers that many jedi would go to the darkside to have those powers also.. It's true because It's a legend? I don't think we have the same definition of the word 'legend' here... I think Palpy made it up to appeal to Anakin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leviathan Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 I think too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthTDe Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Maybe...I think it was true.It would take a Pure Genious to conjure up that whole story on the spur of the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Smaug Posted August 7, 2005 Author Share Posted August 7, 2005 Maybe...I think it was true.It would take a Pure Genious to conjure up that whole story on the spur of the moment. Yup,you're right..Palpy wouldn't made such a story up.It's a sith legend and even the jedi now about this legend so why would he made it up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthTDe Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted August 7, 2005 Share Posted August 7, 2005 Wow, you all are quite gullible aren't you? First of all, sorry, but Sidious is the biggest liar in Star Wars - he's the devil, as George has said. Would you believe satan when he told you about the apple? I guess you would. The only part that we know is for real true in the legend of Darth Plagueis is that he was indeed Sidious's master, and Sidious indeed killed him in his sleep (the sound of the lightsaber igniting would wake him up, so no he wouldn't have used his lightsaber to kill him). Anything else is either exaggerated or just a flat out lie. We know that Sidious lied about how he could save people from death because, at one point he's saying "I have the power to save the ones you love" and then when Anakin takes up the offer he changes his story to "if we work together we can discover the secret." Lies, all lies. We do know for fact that Anakin was NOT a demon spawn of the Sith. How do we know? Because he IS the Chosen One - he destroys the Sith just as the prophecy said. And the prophecy also says that the Chosen One is birthed by the will of the Force, and the will of the Force is not the will of the Sith. So tada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lil_dude Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 how do we know the will of the force is the will of the light side? Was that ever stated either, no. The prophecy was to bring balance to the force, he did so by eliminating most Jedi, it ended when he killed Obi-Wan and Palpetine, then he died. Which left the old ways of the Jedi/Sith completely wiped out. He brought balance to the force by killing everybody, because that would be the only senceble way. Luke was a new breed of Jedi which was much more balanced then the onld way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 Right, it's not the will of the Jedi either. It's the will of the Force, which would be that the Sith all be gone period (as the Jedi believed the prophecy was), and Jedi who have become corrupt and arrogant be removed as well (which must have been the misreading). Therefore Anakin is the Chosen One, and not a creation of the Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infern0 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 how do we know the will of the force is the will of the light side? Was that ever stated either, no. The prophecy was to bring balance to the force, he did so by eliminating most Jedi, it ended when he killed Obi-Wan and Palpetine, then he died. Which left the old ways of the Jedi/Sith completely wiped out. He brought balance to the force by killing everybody, because that would be the only senceble way. Luke was a new breed of Jedi which was much more balanced then the onld way. Good point. Giving the force a clean slate after so many years of either light and dark influence over the rest of the galaxy seems rational. Btw, the abilty to use the force to create/retain life was used by Sidious to hide his age for many years was it not? We only see his true figure when he uses lightning on Windu, and can no longer retain his youth. I thought that was the case... meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 I don't think Sidious is any older than a regular human. Some recent sources say that it's not Sidious's "true form" but just damage done by Sith lightning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infern0 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 I think in ROTJ he was about 115... which would make him in his high 90's in ROTS. That's if thats true ofcourse. I don't remember where I heard it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted August 8, 2005 Share Posted August 8, 2005 I think in ROTJ he was about 115... which would make him in his high 90's in ROTS. That's if thats true ofcourse. I don't remember where I heard it. Palpatine surely wasn't that old in RotS. That would make him around 85 in TPM and he didn't look that old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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