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Originally posted by RpTheHotrod

It's only getting worst.

That's false actually. Less people are doing it.

 

Just like since Columbine school shootings have been down, it's just they're reported on a lot more than they used to. Thus making it appear as though it's a problem these days, when it's actually decreasing.

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Originally posted by InsaneSith

That's false actually. Less people are doing it.

 

Just like since Columbine school shootings have been down, it's just they're reported on a lot more than they used to. Thus making it appear as though it's a problem these days, when it's actually decreasing.

I hate to admit it, but I think you're right when I scanned over this: Recent Shootings World Wide

 

97': 5 shootings

98': 5 shootings

99': 6 shootings

00': 5 shootings

01': 7 shootings

02': 4 shootings

03': 3 shootings

04': 1 shooting

05': 1 shooting so far

 

But then people at CNN are blowing way out of proportions, asking whether schools are safe! I have never gone to school in fear that I am going to get shot. Never!

 

Millions of kids all over the world go to school every day, but no one is waiting for the depressed physco kid to open fire on them during lunch cause he was teased last month in gym class. American is funked up and stuff.

 

TiE

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Originally posted by RpTheHotrod

Teenage murder is one thing. I'm talking about drinking and sex.

 

 

I know a LOT of people...seeing I live in Dallas...and I don't know one that doesn't drink. I only know one that is a virgin.

 

 

This is 14-21 I speak of, btw.

 

Well you do live in Dallas. :p

 

Anyway, all joking aside. Underage drinking is leveling out, actually. Drug use is decreasing, especially among youngsters. Most people are abstaining these days. There may be a drop in age of when people are losing their virginity but in general, most kids aren't just going out and ****ing mindlessly. Most are waiting until marriage.

 

There was a study recently, but I can't for the life of me remember it. I just remember we did a whole thing on this in sociology.

 

But then again, I could care less if kids are having sex, as long as they are responsible and use protection, I'm cool. More power to them if they are. I know most of you don't feel that way, but it's part of life, you either accept that things happen or you don't.

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The GameStop discussion of the day is where were the parents during all of this?

 

These are the same parents I show what rated "M" means and why, and they just go "oh that's ok", and toss the cash at me across the counter.

 

Even though I never gave a crap about this game, and don't miss seeing it, they are not going to stop at GTA: San Andreas. My advice is hang on to the rest of your games while you still have the freedom to play them. We are entering a new realm of the dark ages.

 

Further proof of why humanity has failed.

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Originally posted by Darth Groovy

The GameStop discussion of the day is where were the parents during all of this?

 

These are the same parents I show what rated "M" means and why, and they just go "oh that's ok", and toss the cash at me across the counter.

 

Even though I never gave a crap about this game, and don't miss seeing it, they are not going to stop at GTA: San Andreas. My advice is hang on to the rest of your games while you still have the freedom to play them. We are entering a new realm of the dark ages.

 

Further proof of why humanity has failed.

Thats why I jost got San Andreas used for $34 ($6 S/H) off Ebay, and all things considered that was a good deal compared to what they are demanding now.

 

TiE

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Originally posted by Tokarev

Sims 2 content "worse than Hot Coffee"

 

 

 

Stupid, stupid SOB... I think we should pay for a lobbyist to represent the gaming industry before it comes crashing down further.... :eek:

Already posted that on the first page. :p

 

 

Anyway, I say we restrict sales of Windows, OSX, and ban linux. Because you can put pornographic images as your background that you gather from the "internet".

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I agree with Groovy. It was a big thing when the ratings started for the video games. If a parent asks what "M" means, still buys the game for their 8 year old, and then gets upset when the game is violent beyond their nightmares, then they have no right to complain.

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Originally posted by manoman81

I agree with Groovy. It was a big thing when the ratings started for the video games. If a parent asks what "M" means, still buys the game for their 8 year old, and then gets upset when the game is violent beyond their nightmares, then they have no right to complain.

Yes, like what Neverhoodian said:

Originally posted by Neverhoodian

Parents have a big role to play as well. One time when I was buying a used game at GameStop, a mother came in looking for an Xbox game for her kids. Without really thinking about it, I recommended Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30. When an employee at the counter asked her how old her children were, she told him that they were five to seven years old. Upon hearing that, both I and the employee tried fervently to persuade her to buy a more family-friendly game, telling her that Brothers in Arms contains intense violence and strong language (one of the few games where the "f-word" is used liberally without censoring). She decided to go with Brothers in Arms anyway, despite our best efforts to politely dissuade her. Indeed, it seemed that our arguments that it might be too mature for children actually helped her decide on buying it. I've been more cautious in my game recommendations after that particular incident.

Parents can be stupid.

 

I also had a less dramatic expreiance similar to Neverhoodian's:

Originally posted by TiE 23

I also have a related story to tell: I was at Gamestop a few days ago looking at games, when two boys, ages (appox.) 7 and 9. The younger one was kinda hyperactive and loud. So they came in, looking at the PS2 games and stuff, each holding a DS. They start saying really loud in a high pitched voice: "I want Grand Theft Auto! Where is Vice City!?"

 

They looked around and found San Andreas, and the little kid goes "I dont like that one, I want Vice City!" Everyone in smiling at eachother and giggling quietly, rolling our eyes at these funny kids.

 

Then they walk up to the guy at the desk and put there DS' by themselves and say "We want to trade these and get Grand Theft Auto!" The clerk tells them they need the power cables and their parents cause they are really young and stupid. So they get all sad and act like its all cool. "Oh, okay, I'll get them later!" And they start asking for Vice City.

 

The guy humors them and helps them find an Xbox copy of the game. They go back up to the desk and askes for the price, he (lies) tells them its $50. So they all get unhappy and stuff. And well, I wish it ended better, but they just leave looking for their parent with DS' in hand. :p

 

"Yah, whats M mean?"

 

And those kids must be sucking at that Brothers in Arms game, I mean really sucking.

 

TiE

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And so it begins...

 

..if thompson manages to force EA into ANY KIND of backdown with The SIms then that will be a major blow for anyone making mods, skins or patches. Publishers just won't want to take the risk of the bad publicity/lawsuits resulting from any potential thrid party changes... so they will code it and word the EULA to make it illegal to mod it. Grrr...

 

Originally posted by Darth Groovy

I had to pull all these off the shelf yesterday. GameStop can no longer buy sell or trade this game.

 

My advice is if you have this game, hang on to it. It may become a collector's item.

 

I am actually kind of relieved that we no longer sell this title. I just don't feel it was good for little kids, and you'd be surprised how many parents could care less about the ESBR ratings. :(

 

1 - Tell gamestop its stupid to take down games just because they are rated AO. Most gamers ARE adults. Appeal to their brain and tell them to stock them, just not sell them to kids. Appeal to their wallet and tell them they are excluding 45% of the market.

 

2 - I was in Woolworths (uk chain) buying a dvd yesterday and the kid next to me (about 12) tried to buy Vice City (rated 18 in the UK). The cashier said he couldn't sell it to him :) then the dad came over and said "sorry kevin, i didn't realise it was 18" and then bought it for him. :( sigh :(

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I was in Woolworths (uk chain) buying a dvd yesterday and the kid next to me (about 12) tried to buy Vice City (rated 18 in the UK). The cashier said he couldn't sell it to him then the dad came over and said "sorry kevin, i didn't realise it was 18" and then bought it for him. sigh

 

ahh! i thought you were gonna say that the dad decided not to buy it for him when he saw it was 18. damn, what a twist ending.

 

>_>

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Originally posted by toms

1 - Tell gamestop its stupid to take down games just because they are rated AO. Most gamers ARE adults. Appeal to their brain and tell them to stock them, just not sell them to kids. Appeal to their wallet and tell them they are excluding 45% of the market.

 

I think that'd be the worst decision gamestop could ever make. I doubt they want to be sued by every parent and harrassed by politicians just to do what is right.

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1 - Tell gamestop its stupid to take down games just because they are rated AO. Most gamers ARE adults. Appeal to their brain and tell them to stock them, just not sell them to kids. Appeal to their wallet and tell them they are excluding 45% of the market.

 

 

Most gamers are teenagers... crap, from the look of this thread I would say most gamers are 10 year old kids playing GTA.

 

45% of games are AO? Are you sure about that?

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Originally posted by lukeskywalker1

45% of games are AO? Are you sure about that?

 

I think he means 45% of gamers are adults.

 

And I, for one, am going to pick up a copy of Sims 2 before they take it off the shelves. I suggest you all do the same. :p

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Originally posted by lukeskywalker1

45% of games are AO? Are you sure about that?

 

I meant that most gamers are adults (see below). NO GAMES are AO... because there is no point getting an AO rating if the big shops wont sell them. So it becomes a meaninless clasification. At least in the UK there is no problem with shops stocking 18 games.

 

 

These figures are from 2 years ago, but as gamers grow up the average age has been going up and up, so i'd assume that there are even more old gamers now.

 

--Age--------PC------Console---

Under 18 -- 29.7% -- 37.9%

18-35 ----- 28.7% -- 39.5%

35+ -------- 41.6% -- 22.7%

 

So that means 70% of PC gamers are over 18, and 60% of console gamers are over 18.

 

Average age of a console gamer was 29, it may have gone up by now, and definately will with the next generation.

 

So that means that by treating games as "kids only" and refusing to stock AO games Gamestop and Wallmart are missing out on a possible 60-70% of th market... as well as perpetuating the myth (that people like jack thompson exploit) that games are only for kids, and so shouldn't contain any advanced themes or adult content.

 

Note: Its true that the 40+ bracket (on the pc especially) tends to play mainly games like poker, blackjack etc.. rather than "real" (:D ) games, but even on consoles most gamers are over 18.

 

http://www.clickz.com/stats/sectors/demographics/article.php/5901_3070391

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Originally posted by BongoBob

Watch them change sims rating to M now. Just watch.

 

Wow, did I call it or what :(

 

I want to kick that ****er in the head, you have to download a mod and the skins for it, not just type in GIVE ME NUDE KID SIMS CUZ I'M A CREEPY PEDOPHILE AND EA IS SUPPORTING ME!!1 in some cheat menu.

 

*beats in head with left shoe*

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Well, this is disturbing news. I hope this doesn't turn into a "slippery slope" for censoring gaming. Today, GTA. Tomorrow...the Sims?! I mean c'mon, it wasn't even included in the game, hidden or otherwise. EA (or any other PC game developer) has no control over what others do to modify their games. Besides, nobody's forcing people who own the Sims 2 to download the skins and make them watch their Sims having uncensored sex. I hope this doesn't mean the death of legal game modding as we know it.

 

That said, I think Jack Thompson may have bitten off more than he can chew. The Sims series is wildly popular even among those who aren't gamers. It might cause a heck of a backlash, one strong enough to cause these types of things to die down.

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