Darth Macca Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 I was just wondering this the other night. What if Darth Maul (after inserting his Lightsaber into poor old Qui-Gon) killed Obi-Wan aswell? Would Anakin be allowed to be trained? It would have been so different. Darth Maul - The dark lord of the Sith? Pretty interesting one thinks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Well darth maul was a dark lord of the sith so the title would be the same and i think it wouldve turned out pretty similar anyway palpatine himself wouldve just killed maul after he was done with him and then taken on dooku as his apprentice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Macca Posted March 15, 2006 Author Share Posted March 15, 2006 I disagree. I think he would have stuck with Maul, he's a far better Sith Lord than Count Dooku and if Darth Maul had killed two Jedi Knights, that would have enhanced his reputation even more. Palpatine speaks very highly of Maul during Episode I, he had high hopes for Maul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Nope If he would've stuck with maul it would've ruined his whole plan for taking control of the galaxy He needed someone more political and more capable of funding and controlling an army which maul simply wasnt, Maul was an assasin and was trained from birth to be an assasin not a general and certainly not politacally minded. Thats why his death was of no importance to palpatine he used him for what he needed and that was it he was a pawn of palpatnes just like dooku was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Macca Posted March 15, 2006 Author Share Posted March 15, 2006 yes you are right at the fact that dooku is more engineered for politics than maul, that's obvious. but why kill darth maul? if chancellor palpatine is so powerful, maul would to be of no threat to him and only be an advantage to palpatine. darth maul seemed loyal enough to follow the dark lords orders and i'm pretty dam sure palpatine would persuade dooku to work alongside maul - they would form a great partnership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Remember Palpatine was a Sith of Darth Banes order where there can only be two Sith at any one time. this is also the reason he got Anakin to kill Dooku and no doubt if Maul had survived he wouldve got Dooku to kill him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Obi-Wan Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I think Darth Maul would kill Palpatine himself, just because he'd become more powerful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Why do people think Darth Maul is a "better Sith Lord" than Count Dooku? It's not as if Dooku can't fight, he clearly is a masterful swordsman and a match for Yoda in sheer force power. He only loses to Anakin when Anakin starts to use his anger (dark side) to win. He is "the chosen one" after all, so in a way fighting Sith is his "speciality." We don't learn much about Darth Maul in the movies, but he seems to be a pretty loyal henchman. A great fighter, but I'm sure Dooku could handle him. Would Palpatine seek to replace Maul with Dooku if Maul hadn't died? (We need not assume that to live Maul had to kill both Qui Gon AND Obi-Wan, perhaps he was forced to flee or something in our alternative scenario, though his "mission" was undoubtably to kill the Jedi and then the Queen if she failed to sign the treaty which by this time had little chance of happening). I'm sure Sideous's plan was to use the "tragic death" of the Queen and situation on Naboo to get the sympathy vote and make sure he could secure his powerbase as a purported "reformer" of the corrupt Senate (since after all, if they couldn't help this poor pacifist nation from the greedy corporate armies, clearly new leadership was needed, somebody smart and noble like.. Palpatine!). Was Darth Maul powerful enough to take on Yoda? I doubt it. Would he have become powerful enough over time? Who knows... I realize there's EU stuff about Darth Maul showing how "bada$$" he is and trying to turn him into the next Boba Fett (himself an overblown character in the EU if there ever was one), but I haven't read it. I'm just going by what we know from the movie and the TPM novelisation. Maul's role in TPM is closer to Vader's in ANH, only without the lively banter and air of authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I think Darth Maul would kill Palpatine himself, just because he'd become more powerful. How'd you work that one out? Even yoda couldnt beat palpatine? Palpatine >> Dooku >> Maul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Sir Knight Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Nope ....He needed someone more political and more capable of funding and controlling an army which maul simply wasnt......... He did but do you think Dooku was the only man with pull in the Galaxy? Besides, Dooku doesn't know about the rule of two.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Macca Posted March 16, 2006 Author Share Posted March 16, 2006 Why do people think Darth Maul is a "better Sith Lord" than Count Dooku? It's not as if Dooku can't fight, he clearly is a masterful swordsman and a match for Yoda in sheer force power. He only loses to Anakin when Anakin starts to use his anger (dark side) to win. He is "the chosen one" after all, so in a way fighting Sith is his "speciality." Don't get me wrong, Dooku is a decent swordsman - but I don't agree that he is a match for Yoda in force power. In Episode II, Yoda calmly stops every obstacle thrown at him by Dooku with great ease. Dooku struggles to keep up with Yoda with the lightsaber so he flees. Yoda makes Dooku look very ordinary. I think Darth Maul (had he gained more power) would have become a great Sith Lord - a possible threat to Palpatine and Yoda. If he was given more time and learned the ways of the force more, he would have dispatched Count Dooku rather easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Dooku doesn't know about the rule of two.... What? yes he did! what makes you say that? I think Darth Maul is very very overrated remember guys he is just a big ball of hatred not much else really i dont think he would've made a great sith lord at all as it takes a bit more than just being angry to be as powerful as someone like Palpatine Like i said earlier Darth Maul was just a tool of Palpatines to get rid of necesary people standing in his way once that was done their was no need for him and he wouldve been discarded. Has anyone here read shadow hunter? that pretty much sums up Maul and he just seems to be Palpatines hunting dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alkonium Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 What? yes he did! what makes you say that? I think he might be referring to Asajj Ventress, but technically she was Dooku's disciple, not his apprentice. A mere Dark Jedi, not a Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I think he might be referring to Asajj Ventress, but technically she was Dooku's disciple, not his apprentice. A mere Dark Jedi, not a Sith. Yeah Ventress was never a sith just a disciple Dooku clearly knows about the rule of two as i think its in labyrinth of evil? he is clearly worried about Palpatine taking on Anakin as his apprentice and he knows its going to happen and when it does his time will be up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Macca Posted March 16, 2006 Author Share Posted March 16, 2006 What? yes he did! what makes you say that? I think Darth Maul is very very overrated remember guys he is just a big ball of hatred not much else really i dont think he would've made a great sith lord at all as it takes a bit more than just being angry to be as powerful as someone like Palpatine He wasn't all hatred, he was very loyal to his master and very ambitious. Qui-Gon Jin was a great Jedi and he knew Darth Maul was a well trained Sith after they encountered on Tatooine. His hatred only shone during his duels which made him stronger. It makes every Sith Lord stronger when anger and hatred is combined. You've got to remember aswell - he almost killed off Obi-Wan if it wasn't for a huge slice of luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 The thing that made Darth Maul able to channel the Darkside was hatred, he used his hatred to fight and to even feel the force. Sadly this was Darth Mauls undoing his hatred of the jedi was soo strong he lost focus of the task at hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Macca Posted March 16, 2006 Author Share Posted March 16, 2006 The thing that made Darth Maul able to channel the Darkside was hatred, he used his hatred to fight and to even feel the force. Sadly this was Darth Mauls undoing his hatred of the jedi was soo strong he lost focus of the task at hand. At what time in Episode I did Maul lose focus of the task in hand? If I remember correctly, he took on every task given by Palpatine with great authority and did them very well until the end when he was decieved by great move from Obi-Wan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Well he lost focus and got cut down by a mere padawan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Macca Posted March 16, 2006 Author Share Posted March 16, 2006 Well he lost focus and got cut down by a mere padawan As I say - a great move orchestrated by Obi-Wan by using the force. And I might add ... a mere Padawan who goes on to almost condemn Darth Vader to his death if not for Palpatine. And let's just forget the fact that he struck down a terrific Jedi in Qui-Gon Jin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 As I say - a great move orchestrated by Obi-Wan by using the force. And I might add ... a mere Padawan who goes on to almost condemn Darth Vader to his death if not for Palpatine. yeah but at the time he fought maul he was just a mere padawan and maul was a Dark Lord Of The Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Macca Posted March 16, 2006 Author Share Posted March 16, 2006 yeah but at the time he fought maul he was just a mere padawan and maul was a Dark Lord Of The Sith. You make Obi-Wan sound as if he was a Padawan with no potential nor skill. He was Padawan with a great mind and feel for the force even when he was a MERE Padawan. Qui-Gon stated that Obi-Wan was ready for the trials and should no longer be a Padawan learner. The potential was always there with Obi-Wan and he was just waiting to pull off something spectacular which would make him a complete Jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I never said he wasnt skilled *infact i think he couldve been the greatest jedi ever if he didnt have to go into hiding* But even the best Padawan shouldnt be able to take down a Dark Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Macca Posted March 16, 2006 Author Share Posted March 16, 2006 I never said he wasnt skilled *infact i think he couldve been the greatest jedi ever if he didnt have to go into hiding* But even the best Padawan shouldnt be able to take down a Dark Lord. Yes, he may be classified as a Dark Lord of the Sith, but he was still a mere apprentice who was still learning. How lucky did Obi-Wan get in the final duel? Maul was a mentor still learning off Palpatine, how could Maul be definatly sure that Obi-Wan was going to grasp Qui-Gon's lightsaber whilst flying in mid-air? It takes a Sith with a great knowledge of the force to work that one out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Terros Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 He still shoul've been prepared for the attack though the guy is basically a living weapon of palpatines from whats been said about him he seems to train every moment of the day surely he would've been prepared for a suprise attack. But like i said his anger of the jedi clouded his focus making him open to such an attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Macca Posted March 16, 2006 Author Share Posted March 16, 2006 He still shoul've been prepared for the attack though the guy is basically a living weapon of palpatines from whats been said about him he seems to train every moment of the day surely he would've been prepared for a suprise attack. But like i said his anger of the jedi clouded his focus making him open to such an attack. Maybe Maul underestimated Obi-Wan, I almost definatly think he did. As Obi-Wan was only a mere Padawan it would fool most. But yes you are right, a Dark Lord shouldn't advertise himself to be stuck down ... but at the end of the day he was a Sith still learning and craving the force. That's why I named the topic 'If Darth Maul lived...'. Say if Obi-Wan didn't get so lucky and he went spiriling down the black hole, would Maul have learned everything about the Jedi and every move they make and become a true Dark Lord? Palpatine was trained in the arts of the Jedi which he was passing onto Maul. A learning mentor can never be fully knowledgeable of the force which was proven in the final duel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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