TK-8252 Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 They believed he was going to defeat the Sith whilst on the light side, which was total nonsense. You seem to be the one who has misread the prophecy. Because no where does the prophecy say that the Chosen One will be a Jedi and never did any Jedi say that that's what it says. All it says is that the Force will create him, and that he will destroy the Sith. This is what the Jedi believed. And it happened. Plageuis must have influenced the midi-chlorians to create anger, hatred and jelousy. Yes the prophecy was meant to be, but at a cost. No, those are things created by human nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 Until George Lucas says otherwise, the issue of who Anakin's father was remains unknown, so you're free to believe anything you want, be it that Darth Plagueis created him through the Dark Side or that the living Force created him or that Shmi Skywalker just ate a really bad Tatooine burrito and conceived him. For all you know, Lucas could pull something out of his ass and say that all those theories are incorrect. Please do not try to force your opinion on others here because no one knows what the definitive answer is. This goes for all of you. Keep it civil. I'd hate to have to put some of you on time-outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Macca Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 You seem to be the one who has misread the prophecy. Because no where does the prophecy say that the Chosen One will be a Jedi and never did any Jedi say that that's what it says. All it says is that the Force will create him, and that he will destroy the Sith. No, those are things created by human nature. I've misread the prophecy? If the Jedi didn't think Anakin was going to defeat the Sith whilst been on the light side, why would they let him to be trained? Hatred, jelousy & anger are all characteristics of a Sith...not a Jedi. Can't you see he was destined for the dark side? The force created him, Plageuis minipulated the force. He was the Dark lord of the Sith - his power was amazing. Anakin's fate had been written before he was even born because of Plageuis. He knew Anakin would bring balance to the force but at the same time cause huge amound of pain and anger. This is just what Plageuis wanted. It all makes sense, Plageuis minipulates midi-chlorians, Anakin was suspiciously created by midi-chlorians. In my view, it all makes sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 If the Jedi didn't think Anakin was going to defeat the Sith whilst been on the light side, why would they let him to be trained? They DIDN'T want him trained! Remember Yoda and Mace Windu turning down the request for him to be trained? The only reason he was trained was because it was Qui-Gon's dying wish. Hatred, jelousy & anger are all characteristics of a Sith...not a Jedi. This is irrelivant. The Chosen One was not destined to be a Jedi or a Sith, but his destiny was to destroy the Sith. That's IT. Can't you see he was destined for the dark side? He chose to join Sidious if you saw Episode III. It was not his destiny. His only destiny was to destroy the Sith. Plageuis minipulated the force. Again, you need some proof. You can't just make up something like that. You need some actual evidence, not just assumptions. He was the Dark lord of the Sith - his power was amazing. Again irrelivant. Anakin's fate had been written before he was even born because of Plageuis. Anakin's fate was written before he was even born, and his fate was to destroy the Sith. Not because of Plagueis; I'd find it hard to believe that Plagueis created someone for the sole purpose of destroying his own. He knew Anakin would bring balance to the force but at the same time cause huge amound of pain and anger. This is just what Plageuis wanted. No... Plagueis wanted the Sith to dominate. WHY would Plagueis create something for the sole purpose of DESTROYING the Sith?? Plageuis minipulates midi-chlorians Again, no proof at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordzack Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 George Lucas created Anakin Skywalker. As for how he was created in universe, we don't know. George Lucas hasn't said anything about yet. And perhaps he hasn't even decided. It doesn't really matter because it's all fiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 George Lucas created Anakin Skywalker. As for how he was created in universe, we don't know. George Lucas hasn't said anything about yet. And perhaps he hasn't even decided. It doesn't really matter because it's all fiction. It seems to me he's made up his mind, because he's come out and said that Anakin was indeed the Chosen One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boinga1 Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 I feel the need to point out that, if Sidious/Plageus created Anakin, it makes no sense for him to have been born a million light-years away on a dusty little planet, completely unknown to either of them. Surely, if they had created such a life-form, they could at least make it be born on Coruscant, or make its existence known to them. But there seems to be no evidence that anyone was aware of Anakin before Qui-gon, and there is no logical reason why the Sith would have created him on such a distant planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Point Man Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 I feel the need to point out that, if Sidious/Plageus created Anakin, it makes no sense for him to have been born a million light-years away on a dusty little planet, completely unknown to either of them. Surely, if they had created such a life-form, they could at least make it be born on Coruscant, or make its existence known to them. But there seems to be no evidence that anyone was aware of Anakin before Qui-gon, and there is no logical reason why the Sith would have created him on such a distant planet. I have wondered about this myself. I can come up with two reasons. First, since Tatooine is a backwater planet, it would be outside the notice of the Jedi Order. If a child was born of the Force on Coruscant, the Masters of the Jedi Council would probably notice the "disturbance in the Force." Second, Star Wars strongly implies Anakin came from Tatooine, so Lucas had to place him there. As to the ongoing debate about whether Plagueis/Sidious manipulated the midi-chlorians to create Anakin, I have to ask those who believe otherwise this question: if a book published by Del Rey and run through Lucas Licensing says Plagueis/Sidious did it, why do you choose not to believe it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 if a book published by Del Rey and run through Lucas Licensing says Plagueis/Sidious did it, why do you choose not to believe it? Movies > EU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Point Man Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 Anakin is the Chosen One as George Lucas has said, meaning that the Force itself created him, not an individual. And why can't it be that the prophecy about the coming of the Chosen One came to fruition because a Sith Lord manipulated the midi-chlorians to create a child born of the Force? The irony in that is a great demonstration of how the dark side leads to its own destruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 And why can't it be that the prophecy about the coming of the Chosen One came to fruition because a Sith Lord manipulated the midi-chlorians to create a child born of the Force? The irony in that is a great demonstration of how the dark side leads to its own destruction. Because that's not what the prophecy says? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Point Man Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 Because that's not what the prophecy says? Then enlighten me because I must not remember the prophecy correctly. I sure don't remember anything in it that would preclude that course of events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 Then enlighten me because I must not remember the prophecy correctly. I sure don't remember anything in it that would preclude that course of events. Read my posts. I've explained what the prophecy says numerous times in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Point Man Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 Read my posts. I've explained what the prophecy says numerous times in this thread. Sorry, but all of your posts simply push your opinion. Just because you say it is fact does not make it so. If you want to tell somebody their opinion is wrong, you need to have hard evidence. All you have presented so far is your opinion, which to me carries less weight than the published account I have quoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 Sorry, but all of your posts simply push your opinion. Just because you say it is fact does not make it so. If you want to tell somebody their opinion is wrong, you need to have hard evidence. All you have presented so far is your opinion, which to me carries less weight than the published account I have quoted. Well, not my opinion, but the opinion of George Lucas, yes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Macca Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 Well, not my opinion, but the opinion of George Lucas, yes... TK, you have questioned throughout if I have any proof of my opinion, I don't have proof and you will be very lucky to find someone who has. I honestly do think Plageuis created Anakin - but you struggle to accept my opinion. So I will ask you ... unless you have solid proof that Anakin was not created by Plageuis I will think otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 I honestly do think Plageuis created Anakin - but you struggle to accept my opinion. Because your opinion conflicts with everything that was shown in the movies. So I will ask you ... unless you have solid proof that Anakin was not created by Plageuis I will think otherwise. The fact that Anakin was the Chosen One just as the prophecy said is as solid proof as anyone would need. The opinion of the Sith creating Anakin has no basis, no evidence. It's something that was suggested by the most evil liar, the devil of the galaxy. And yet you want to believe it. Sigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Macca Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 Because your opinion conflicts with everything that was shown in the movies. The fact that Anakin was the Chosen One just as the prophecy said is as solid proof as anyone would need. The opinion of the Sith creating Anakin has no basis, no evidence. It's something that was suggested by the most evil liar, the devil of the galaxy. And yet you want to believe it. Sigh. You keep on dwelling on the prophecy and the Chosen One, but that doesn't mean to say he couldn't have been created by Plageuis. You tell me Anakin was created by the force - there are two sides to the force; Light & Dark. Never has anyone (not even Lucas) come out and said that the Dark side of the force didn't create Anakin. I know my opinion of the Sith creating Anakin has no basis or no evidence (as I have already stated) ... but in my eyes it makes a lot of sense. It's a point of view that has been speculated for a long time, I don't see any reason why it cannot be true. Show me some facts that show that Plageuis didn't create Anakin, then I'll start to believe that Palpatine was lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 You keep on dwelling on the prophecy and the Chosen One, but that doesn't mean to say he couldn't have been created by Plageuis. The prophecy doesn't say that someone will come and create the Chosen One using the Force... it says that the Force itself will create the Chosen One. You tell me Anakin was created by the force - there are two sides to the force; Light & Dark. Never has anyone (not even Lucas) come out and said that the Dark side of the force didn't create Anakin. This seems to be irrelivant. The Force itself created Anakin, not the light or dark side. The Force isn't some spiritual being like a god that has an angel sitting on one shoulder and a devil sitting on the other. It's a single entity that has its own will. The will of the individual, however, determines if they're going to follow the path of the light side, or fall to the dark side. Show me some facts that show that Plageuis didn't create Anakin, Hey, the burden of proof is on you. It's just like how the burden of proof would be on me if I said that the sun was made of cheese. I can't just say hey, I think the sun is made of cheese and it's my opinion and it makes sense, it is yellow after all. The burden of proof would be on me to offer some evidence that the sun is made of cheese. And it being yellow isn't enough. then I'll start to believe that Palpatine was lying. So would you say that Sidious is a reliable source? That he's not a liar? I can't recall a single time he actually told the truth. He's never told the truth on ANYTHING, so why would you think he's telling the truth in this one case? He was making **** up so that Anakin would go with him. If you think he actually cared about revealing the truth, then you need to go watch the movies again. Remember how he told Anakin that he had the power to cheat death? That was in the same scene where he told Anakin that Plagueis could create life using the Force. Oh yeah, then a scene later he told Anakin that he didn't have the power and that they'd have to work together to get it. WHY do you want to think that he's telling the truth? Had it not been for Sidious BS'ing Anakin, we wouldn't even be discussing this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Point Man Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Well, not my opinion, but the opinion of George Lucas, yes... So where is the quote from George Lucas? If you say you are presenting the opinion of somebody, you need to present a quote to back it up. Otherwise, just admit that what you are presenting is your opinion. When you get to college, you will learn about a literary device called inference. Simply put, inference is the presentation of just enough facts to allow the reader to come to the truth on his own. This is what Lucas is using here. He doesn't want to insult our intelligence by spoon-feeding us every little detail. I, for one, prefer when an author allows me to exercise my thinking. Plus, we wouldn't get to engage in this friendly exchange of ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 So where is the quote from George Lucas? If you say you are presenting the opinion of somebody, you need to present a quote to back it up. Otherwise, just admit that what you are presenting is your opinion. He has said so in numerous interviews. If you have the RotS DVD (as any good Star Wars fan should), you can watch one of the interviews where he talks about how Anakin is the Chosen One and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Nine Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 La. Stop bickering, plz. I hate it when people get all pretentious and huffy. Makes me wanna put them on time-outs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Point Man Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 He has said so in numerous interviews. If you have the RotS DVD (as any good Star Wars fan should), you can watch one of the interviews where he talks about how Anakin is the Chosen One and all. First, don't try to tell me how to be a good Star Wars fan. I could not begin to count the number of times I saw the OT movies before you were even born. Second, I agree with you that Anakin is the Chosen one. However, that does not mean he was not the result of Plagueis/Sidious manipulating the midi-chlorians to create a child born of the Force. Yes, the Force created Anakin: the Force as the midi-chlorians in Shmi Skywalker being manipulated by Plagueis/ Sidious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-8252 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 First, don't try to tell me how to be a good Star Wars fan. I could not begin to count the number of times I saw the OT movies before you were even born. ...That was a joke, man. However, that does not mean he was not the result of Plagueis/Sidious manipulating the midi-chlorians to create a child born of the Force. Yes, the Force created Anakin: the Force as the midi-chlorians in Shmi Skywalker being manipulated by Plagueis/ Sidious. The prophecy implies that the Chosen One comes when the Force wills it, not when an individual does. Again, there is not a shred of evidence to suggest that anyone manipulated midichlorians to create Anakin. Where are you getting the information that Plagueis or Sidious created Anakin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samnmax221 Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 The prophecy implies that the Chosen One comes when the Force wills it, not when an individual does. Again, there is not a shred of evidence to suggest that anyone manipulated midichlorians to create Anakin. Where are you getting the information that Plagueis or Sidious created Anakin? He has a "reliable" informant in his butt. This informant is so reliable you could say he's anal retentive in his work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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