Char Ell Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 OK. So the initial list of possible KotOR III developers should be fairly straightforward. Ranked from most likely to least likely (IMO) 1) Obsidian Entertainment - They have the most recent experience with the KotOR franchise. Obsidian's CEO has publicly stated his company would gladly develop the next KotOR if LEC wants them to. 2) LucasArts Entertainment Company - Would it be possible for LEC to make KotOR in-house? We already know LEC has its own development staff working on the next Indy Jones game and another Star Wars title to be released in 2007. Will LEC decide to go it alone on development of KotOR III? 3) BioWare - Yeah, they made the original KotOR. However BioWare passed on the chance to make TSL and referred LEC to Obsidian Entertainment. BioWare seems to be concentrating on their own IP's and are no longer interested in working on games for licensed properties (other than their own of course ). Besides these three are there any other game developers out there that would do justice to KotOR 3 AND that you think might possibly, however slightly, make KotOR 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reven0123 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 hm id like to see bioware and obsidian toghter on the third oh and above all else NO FLAMING CUT CONTENT! in k3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevn_Aten Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 IMO, Bioware did a better job with K1 than Obsidian did with K2. Now consider how much of K2 was copied from K1 (force powers, feats, graphic models and textures, etc. etc.) and how much content was cut and I wonder just how much effort did Obsidian really put into K2. Based on that, if I had to to choose between one or the other, I'd choose Bioware. But overall, I'll be happy if they make sure the game is complete and polished rather than pushing a half-assed game out the door in time for christmas sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inyri Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 But overall, I'll be happy if they make sure the game is complete and polished rather than pushing a half-assed game out the door in time for christmas sales. That would be at the whim of the producer, not the developer. Why everyone blames Obsidian for all of K2's shortcomings is still beyond me. They simply do what LucasArts tells them to. If that's "push for an early release because we want profits" then that's what they do, because if they don't they break their contract. The last thing a new developer wants is to purposely put out a poor product. It gives them a bad name. Obsidian isn't stupid, they were simply doing what LA told them to, which is a shame as it made certain people think it was Obsidian's fault. I'm fairly confident that NWN2 will prove that Obsidian is not only quite able to put out a good product, but that they are quite up to bar with BioWare. BioWare would not have handed them K2 if they were not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90SK Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 IMO, Bioware did a better job with K1 than Obsidian did with K2. Now consider how much of K2 was copied from K1 (force powers, feats, graphic models and textures, etc. etc.) and how much content was cut and I wonder just how much effort did Obsidian really put into K2. Based on that, if I had to to choose between one or the other, I'd choose Bioware. Developing a game isn't some simple task. Obsidian put a great deal of effort into their concept for KotOR II: it was their ambition and lack of experience with an unfamiliar game engine that generated the need for major cuts when LucasArts pulled the deadline back to December. Considering that the final product was still impressive, I'd go with Obsidian as developers for KotOR III any day. Not to say that Bioware wouldn't do a good job too. I just prefer the approach Obsidian took to interpreting the characters and storyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inyri Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 I don't particularly see that Bioware's KotOR and Obsidian's KotOR were significantly different. As far as I'm aware some of the devs at Obsidian used to work with/for Bioware. The major differences I see are from the need to "expand" on what KotOR already had (because we know how many people whine when there aren't new features ). I wouldn't compare Bioware's character development to Obsidian's since both the storyline and the characters from the two games were galaxies apart in terms of similarity. I'd not compare them at all, actually . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Atris* Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 Developing a game isn't some simple task. Obsidian put a great deal of effort into their concept for KotOR II: it was their ambition and lack of experience with an unfamiliar game engine that generated the need for major cuts when LucasArts pulled the deadline back to December. Considering that the final product was still impressive, I'd go with Obsidian as developers for KotOR III any day. Not to say that Bioware wouldn't do a good job too. I just prefer the approach Obsidian too to interpreting the characters and storyline. It had nothing to do with lack of experience, and unfamiliarity, they were forced to carry out major cuts because of the deadline, they were not given enough time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90SK Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 Of course it did. They lacked experience with an unfamiliar game engine. Figuring out what kinds of things you can and can't do with an engine while trying to stay on tight schedule would be a hindrance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Char Ell Posted July 29, 2006 Author Share Posted July 29, 2006 *** reads thread through post #10 **** [align=center][/align][align=right][/align][align=center][/align][align=right][/align] Besides these three are there any other game developers out there that would do justice to KotOR 3 AND that you think might possibly, however slightly, make KotOR 3?So can anyone explain to me how any of the responses thus far in this thread address the question posed in post #1? Because really, I'm having a hard time finding any. I appreciate everyones' thoughts on the differences between BioWare's end product and Obsidian's end product, who was to blame for TSL's shortcoming, et al. but come on people! Haven't these topics been hashed, rehashed, debated, argued, and fought over enough on other threads? Please make your arguments on those subjects in those other threads instead of hijacking this one. I by no means intended or wanted this thread to become what it has. I'm simply curious if some knowledgeable forum members might have some ideas on possible KotOR 3 developers besides the three obvious ones. I don't have a very broad exposure to video games so I want to know if there are other game developers out there that make good RPG's and would do justice to the KotOR franchise. Is that too much to ask? Now, back on-topic please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiEND_138 Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 I just prefer the approach Obsidian took to interpreting the characters and storyline. Amen. I prefer OE's way of telling the story much more than Bio's. -not having every little aspect spoonfed, black/white good/evil more shades of grey, something to figure out for yourself beyond an over rated entirely too obvious plot twist- Not to say Bio are bad devs in any way, hell I'm saving for a 360 just for MassEffect, I just want to see where Avellone's wanting to take the story arc started in tSL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 OE would be my best bet, but LEC would be a possibility--that's sort of a natural route to go. I know MS is not a favorite of a lot of folks, but they'd certainly have the resources to hire in people knowledgeable with the first 2 games. Atari produced NWN with Bioware, and they'd have the resources, but I don't know if it's their cup of tea. I'm not so sure about the company, but I think that whoever would do it should hire some of the _people_ who worked on the first 1 or 2 for continuity sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Devon Posted July 29, 2006 Share Posted July 29, 2006 Given how Obsidian produced a far better story in far less time, I think it should definitely be them. Anyhow, Bioware has stated they are not interested in doing anything more with KotOR, and Obsidian will be soon be finished with NWN 2, so it's most likely LA will have them work on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vaelastraz Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 Considering that Bioware created Kotor, and did a way better story, it really should be them. But as I have been told, they are not going to do it. That leaves us with Obsidian. Well, I hope the story will be at least decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90SK Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 Given how Obsidian produced a far better story in far less time, I think it should definitely be them. Considering that Bioware created Kotor, and did a way better story, it really should be them. Somehow I think I know where this is going... Which story was "better" is subjective and thus irrelevant. Obsidian has proven they can create a quality product within a minute timeframe. Their willingness to create a third game, coupled with their recent experience and Bioware's full endorsement makes it basically a given that Obsidian will be creating KotOR III. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Devon Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 Nah, I don't think it'll go anywhere. It's usually impossible to dissuade people who challenge your opinions with no provocation, so I won't bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arátoeldar Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 For all of you Bioware fanboys repeat after me. Bioware will not do KotOR III because it is NOT their own Intellectual Proprerty. How amany time does this have to be posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHawke Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 ^^^^ Some people will never listen to logic, no matter how many times it is posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reven0123 Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 For all of you Bioware fanboys repeat after me. Bioware will not do KotOR III because it is NOT their own Intellectual Proprerty. How amany time does this have to be posted. ok then i agree with you so i was wondering what if lionhead did k3 anyboby remeber the sucess that was fable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Atris* Posted August 4, 2006 Share Posted August 4, 2006 lionhead are currently doing fable 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reven0123 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 yeah i know im not as stuipid as i look lol it was just a sugestion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 I don't care who makes KOTOR 3 as long as it isn't LucasArts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC-1162 Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 well, from what i've seen and heard of K2, it seems Obsidian did a pretty good job, even though they had LEC breathing down their necks and a deadline to make. i'd say stick with Obsidian, but no deadlines on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 So, everyone, who's the next choice if not Obsidian? And not Bioware, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jediphile Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 After seeing the "tech demo", I'm beginning to think it'll be done in-house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ztalker Posted August 5, 2006 Share Posted August 5, 2006 the same tech-demo that obviously isn't for kotor...but Star Wars 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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