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Sounds like a good approach to Kotor III to me. Except the cortosis idea, using it on weak force sensitives. That's almost the same concept as in Jedi Knight 2.

But apart from that, it's one of those very few attempts which I find good.

 

I'm curious how you will continue this.

 

 

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It seems like humans play the important role in Starwars. And quite frankly, out of all starwars races, humans are the one I can identify myself most with. :)

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Odd Bnar died battling the Empire, not the Great SIth War.

 

I said that he sacrificed himself, not that he died. Check out Tales of the Jedi: The Sith War issues 5 and 6. Ood (not Odd) sacrificed himself by turning into a tree, but so stayed behind when Ossus was struck by a supernova. That's why he's still there in Dark Empire II when Luke meets him.

 

And it is scientists who said they came from Myrkr. Scientists who came up with that hypothesis fairly recently in the galactic timeline, when they discovered Myrkr. 4000 yeras before, nobody, I mean nobody, ever saw Myrkr, so everyone assumed the tree-like Jedi came from somewhere else, their homeworld Rykk.

 

That's only supposition, and Star Wars history changes all the time - the Sith War is now the Great Sith War simply because other sith wars have since been established. There may be nothing to prove Myrkr was known in the KotOR era, but there is also nothing that makes it impossible. I like the potential I see in Myrkr, so I'd like in K3, objections be damned!

 

My god. A tree-like Jedi? Have Star Wars canon really decayed to this? :lol:

 

Well, the story was written by Kevin J. Anderson, which might explain it. I don't mind really. Ood is okay. But Anderson sure does some odd things at times.

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Architect and Jediphile, your views were the ones I really wanted to read since you both know what KOTOR III should be like, no offence to anyone else, but I've seen many posts by them. Thanks for your views and yes, the business with Slobba comes first, before you go off against the True Sith. I'm looking foward to your new story of KOTOR III Architect and I'm sure it will be much better than mine. We all have good ideas for plots, don't we?

 

Hmm, if that were the case, there would be no such thing as bad KotOR III plot suggestions, but in truth, and I don’t mean to sound big-headed; the vast majority of KotOR III plot suggestions are terrible.

 

Anyway, thanks for your compliment. Don’t be so sure that my KotOR III story will be better than yours. By the way, it’s best to not look forward to reading my KotOR III story, because there’s no guarantee that I’ll complete it. I've only done the introduction so far, and might not work on it again for ages.

 

 

Facts

 

1. - Knights of the Old Republic III: The Unknown Regions is set three years after Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords and eight years after Knights of the Old Republic.

 

2. - The game will be split into two parts. Part one is all about becoming a Jedi and completing the Jedi Trials and Part two is about finding the former two main characters from the previous games and defeating the True Sith.

 

3. - The Influence System will return, but will affect anyone now and not just Party Members. Characters will also become loyal to you, if your Influence with them is good and if bad, vice versa.

 

4. - Revan and the Jedi Exile will return, as major characters in the second half of the game, but they won’t be controllable.

 

5. - Dantooine and Korriban won’t return in this one, since the two planets have been done to death for now and repeating them again would be pointless, unless new interesting areas are made.

 

6. - None of the planets from the first two games will return, but might be mentioned by characters in the game.

 

7. - For the first time ever, Alderaan and Sleheyron will be seen properly.

 

8. - There won’t be many new characters in the game, unfortunately, since there are so many neglected characters and too many important party members to add another ten or so.

 

1. I’d like KotOR III to be set no more than five years after TSL. Two or three years after KotOR II is what I’d go for, so you’ve got the thumbs up from me on this, as you probably already know.

 

2. Hmm. And these Jedi trials will also allow the player to do a decent amount of side-quests and deal with the threat of Slobba? If so, that’s good, however, what I want to know is, when you complete the Jedi trials, do you become a padawan or a Jedi Knight, because if you become the former and not the latter, to go on and stop the True Sith as a mere padawan is just…dodgy. Well, I guess it could work if you don’t face enemies that you’d think a mere padawan couldn’t possibly defeat.

 

3. That’s not possible from a developer’s point of view though. There wouldn’t be enough size or time to implement such a thing. It would work just for your party members, and maybe a few non-party members, but that’s about it.

 

4. Fair enough. They don’t have to be controllable. I’d like them to be, but it’s certainly not a necessity. It’s good that they’ll appear in the flesh in your story.

 

5. Good. I’d rather not see those two planets in KotOR III anyway. I don’t see how they could work, or how they'd interesting from a plot perspective in KotOR III either.

 

6. And fair enough too. It would make the SW galaxy seem small if we visit the same planets over and over again anyway.

 

7. Alderaan and Sleheyron would be great planets to visit from a role-playing and plot perspective. They were in my old KotOR III story. Both planets would be nice to see.

 

8. There’s no reason why Bastila, Mandalore, HK-47, T3-M4, Bao-Dur, Visas and Atton can’t have prominent roles in KotOR III. Carth would depend on the alignment of Revan. The Handmaiden and the Disciple would depend on the gender of the Exile, and Mira would depend on the alignment of the Exile. I want to see these characters return and play important roles in KotOR III (some would depend on gender/alignment). It would give KotOR III a good “sequel feel”. So good move.

 

Personal Character

 

9. - Despite the fact your PC starts off as a mercenary, your character is known only as the Padawan.

 

10. - Your PC is from Zolko, a planet from the Unknown Regions, which you’ll have the opportunity to visit later on.

 

11. - Zolko was another planet, where Darth Nihilus devoured all life. Like Katarr, there was only one survivor. You.

 

12. - Other than the fact that your PC was a part-time mercenary and from Zolko, your character is your own. You can make up his/her past and while parts of your character will be forced, you have more freedom and choice with your character, unlike Revan and the Jedi Exile.

 

Party Members

 

13. - There will be eight party members in the game. Four will be optional, depending on gender and alignment. You will receive two optional party members, one depending on gender and one depending on alignment.

 

14. - In this game, there will only be two important Jedi. You and your Jedi Master.

 

15. - Later on, you have the opportunity to train one of your Force Sensitive party members to become a Jedi.

 

16. - HK-47 and T3-M4 will return as Party Members.

 

17. - Canderous Ordo (Mandalore) won’t return as a Party Member. He will however, have many cameo appearances and become an important part of the story.

 

18. - Replacing Canderous is his second in command, Kelborn Ordo. Unlike Canderous, he is a Scout. Like Canderous, he isn’t a love interest.

 

19. - Your Jedi Master in the game is Master Quatra, who as some might remember as Juhani’s master, before the events of the first game. Quatra is a Zabrak female, Jedi Guardian, slightly on the dark side and wields two Lightsabers. For male characters, she can become a possible love interest.

 

20. - The pilot in the game is Suvam Tan, who many might remember as the merchant on the space station, orbiting Yavin IV. He is a Rodian male, a Scout and neutral. For female characters, he can become a possible love interest.

 

21. - The Party Member who you can train to become a Jedi is a Chistori male Soldier known as Dalo Kahn. He fought in the Mandalorian Wars under Admiral Saul Karath and joined him when he betrayed the Republic. Dalo has returned to the Republic, but can be redeemed through the game. If you are on the dark side, you can change his views on the Republic.

 

That is all the information I can give for now.

 

9. If the writers are clever enough, no “name-tag” is needed for the K3 PC. They could just get away with “you” and “your”, and “him” or “her”.

 

10 and 11. Aha. So why do you return there then? To see if there are any survivors? To look upon your home-world again? I hope there aren’t too many “isolated” type planets in your KotOR III story. I want to go to populated planets. Planets that are good from a role-playing perspective. Not without a reason of course.

 

12. Yeah, that’s good, but is there a reason why your K3 PC can hastily increase their connection to the force in a short amount of time? Does he/she gain possession of an atypical force crystal early on in the game that helps you increase your force connection quicker or something along those lines?

 

13. Good. I wouldn’t want too many party members in KotOR III. Anything between 5-7 party members is a good amount. But more than 7? Nah. I’ll take quality over quantity thanks.

 

14. Only two important Jedi? Regardless of gender/alignment? What about LS Visas, LS Handmaiden/Disciple, LS Bastila, LS Atton, LS Bao-Dur and LS Mira? They won’t be important to the plot? And what about your apprentice? Surely they must be important, or play an important role.

 

15. So surely you must become a Jedi Knight in this story then, right? If so, how could you go from training to become a padawan to a padawan to a Jedi Knight in a short amount of time?

 

16. That goes without saying. They both have the potential to play very important roles in KotOR III.

 

17. Good. He’d be too busy to be a party member in KotOR III. Still, that doesn’t mean he should be limited to one or two cameos though. This is good.

 

18. Hmm, I wonder why Kelborn travels with you.

 

19. Like SilentScope001, I thought the Council lied to Juhani, and she actually died. Or if not, I assumed she died on Katarr. Or maybe she didn’t go. Anyway, interesting. However, she shouldn’t be slightly on the dark side, since she’s a Jedi Master, so she should act like one and be very LS.

 

20. Oh yeah, I heard Yavin IV was on the PC version of KotOR. I wonder why he travels with you.

 

21. Hmm, preferably I don’t want to see another party member who’s a “soldier with a dark past”. It’s a basic and repetitive character archetype. We’ve had this already with Carth, Atton and Bao-Dur. How about we have a solider with a wonderful, bright past, or a solider with a dull past, that instead has a unique personality trait that makes him or her interesting?

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21. Hmm, preferably I don’t want to see another party member who’s a “soldier with a dark past”. It’s a basic and repetitive character archetype. We’ve had this already with Carth and Atton.

 

Not to mention, Bao-Dur and Exile... Or even Revan and Malak.

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Ood Bnar was first seen 14 years ago, so not so much decayed to, but grown from ;)

 

 

Well, his species are still in recent EU, this time being the lover of a jedi-ninja. He turned tree form to protect a bunch of jedi toys(bunch of sabers mainly) from the destruction caused by a few Sun explosions. Even he did not expact himself to survive, but he did. The force sensative population on the planet, now but a bunch o savage, treat it like a holy tree and give it sacrifice.Tree finally died of some nice sith electricity by that spike hair dude from teh reborn reborn emperor, mutual destruction really. Sabers are dug up by Luke and friends, two savage join up with Luke's gang and are killed. The girl die after Luke had his fun with her even.

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Not to mention, Bao-Dur and Exile... Or even Revan and Malak.

 

Yeah, I know Jediphile. I was just talking about soldiers meaning those who weren’t force-users during the Mando Wars and the JCW. Although I did overlook Bao-Dur.

 

Yes I know, how can you overlook someone with horns? Well…ah, I did; somehow. And I said "party members". Revan and the Exile don't count, because they weren't party members, they were PC's. Malak wasn't a party member either.

 

@I like your avatar Topsite.

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Personally I'd like as few as five companions or so. I mean, what's the point of eight or ten party members, if some of them are so uninteresting that you hardly ever use them? Did anyone really use T3-M4 in KotOR? I know I didn't... Did anyone really use G0-T0 or Hanharr in TSL? I know I didn't... (except when necessary or to unlock content in all cases) If so, then what's the point of having them in there at all? Rather quality than quantity - let's have about five crew members that are really interesting and complex instead of eight or more, many of whom are only interesting to a degree.

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Personally I'd like as few as five companions or so. I mean, what's the point of eight or ten party members, if some of them are so uninteresting that you hardly ever use them? Did anyone really use T3-M4 in KotOR? I know I didn't... Did anyone really use G0-T0 or Hanharr in TSL? I know I didn't... (except when necessary or to unlock content in all cases) If so, then what's the point of having them in there at all? Rather quality than quantity - let's have about five crew members that are really interesting and complex instead of eight or more, many of whom are only interesting to a degree.

 

I was originally going to only have seven companions, but then I decided to do what I did. Anyway, I'll rethink my plot, improving parts of it. So, there will be seven companions, two of them being the Droids, so they were only be your Jedi Master, the Pilot, one depending on whether you are light or dark sided and someone else.

 

Edit: Edits to the introduction has been made and things are slightly different. Please tell me what you think. I want to make sure everything is okay, before I start writing the next part. Thanks.

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Actually, Jediphile, I'd have to disagree with having only as few as 5 companions. It's true that you could definitely make them more deep and complex, but eventually there is almost a kind of "invisible line" that you pass where characters become too complex personality wise, and that can take away from the char or the PC can get totally lost in all the different kinds of emotions, views, and thoughts the companion has. The purpose of having many companions (but not too many!) is to have a good variety of personalities that vary in different ways to give more "color" to your crew. One char can definitely be deep enough to have several views and emotions, but as I said too much can take away from a char, and you'll find out that you'll be cramming lots of personality traits into your 5 companions, possibly ruining them. People have varying opinions to what a good companion would be and more companions means more people will find a companion that they like. All you have to do is try to not make mutually disliked chars like GO-TO.

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Another Plot Idea

 

1B: Storyline Set-up

 

Previously, TSL had to cope with making sure the story was right for whatever gender/alignment Revan was in KOTOR. Once again, KOTOR III will have to do the same with Revan and the Exile this time around. Some characters will return, others mentioned, while others get killed off. Here is the status of the characters.

 

- Carth Onasi will return as the Admiral if Revan was set as either a Light Side Male or Light Side Female. Dark Side Male or Dark Side Female Revan will replace the deceased Carth with Admiral Cede.

 

- Mission Vao will be mentioned to being on Kashyyyk with Zaalbar if Revan was set as either LSM or LSF. DSM or DSF Revan means she was killed in KOTOR.

 

- Zaalbar will be mentioned to being the current chieftain of Kashyyyk with Mission if Revan was set as either LSM or LSF. DSM or DSF Revan means he was killed in KOTOR.

 

- Bastila Shan will be seen, whatever gender/alignment you set Revan. If LSM or LSF, Bastila will be one of the current Jedi Masters on the new Jedi Council, being a substitute for Revan as the leader of the Jedi Council. DSM or DSM will make Bastila a Sith Lord, still trying to find him in the Unknown Regions.

 

- T3-M4 will return, whatever gender/alignment you set Revan or the Jedi Exile.

 

- Canderous Ordo (Mandalore) will return, whatever gender/alignment you set Revan or the Jedi Exile.

 

- Juhani will be looking for Revan, if set as LSM or LSF and you will confront her later on in the story. If Revan was set as DSM or DSF, Juhani was killed in KOTOR.

 

- HK-47 will return, whatever gender/alignment you set Revan or the Jedi Exile.

 

- Jolee Bindo will be a refugee trying to make people’s lives on Sleheyron easier, if Revan was set as LSM or LSF. If Revan was set as DSM or DSF, Jolee was killed in KOTOR.

 

- Kreia, Bao-Dur’s Remote and GO-TO won’t return to the story, since they were killed off.

 

- Atton Rand will be a Jedi Master on the new Jedi Council, whatever gender/alignment you set the Jedi Exile.

 

- Bao-Dur will be a Jedi Master on the new Jedi Council, whatever gender/alignment you set the Jedi Exile.

 

- Brianna (Handmaiden) will be a Jedi Master on the new Jedi Council, only if the gender of the Jedi Exile is male. If female, she was killed along with her sisters.

 

- Mical (Disciple) will be a Jedi Master on the new Jedi Council, only if the gender of the Jedi Exile is female. If male, he was assassinated on his way back to Telos.

 

- Visas Marr will be a Jedi Master on the new Jedi Council, whatever gender/alignment you set the Jedi Exile.

 

- Mira will be a Jedi Master on the new Jedi Council, only if the Jedi Exile was LSM or LSF.

 

- Hanharr will return, whatever alignment you set the Jedi Exile. He will become an important part of the story later.

 

- Atris will not return. She will die, whatever alignment the Jedi Exile was on. She either died by the Jedi Exile or died shortly afterwards.

 

- Minor characters, such as Dustil Onasi, Yuthara Ban, etc, will be killed in the attack on Katarr or will have been killed in KOTOR, depending on alignment of Revan.

 

 

This part is okay, but I think Carth should stay either way because of his appearance in the second game. But should he have to go, then he should die later at a critical point like the end of part one. Then Admiral Cede(maybe a good friend or mentor of Carth) takes over.

 

And I'm pretty sure that Jolee had already died, because there was a visor I had in which the description mentioned it belonging to the LATE Jolee Bindo. He was old anyway, who knows how he died. Maybe Revan, maybe natural causes, that really depends on the player.

 

2A: The Prologue (The Tutorial)

 

Like TSL, the Prologue can be skipped, but it is recommended even for players familiar with the first two games to play this, so they can have all the loot from corpses and to know more about the plot. Anyway, let’s get going shall we?

 

As soon as the opening text crawl finishes, the camera descends onto the planet, Coruscant, but a strange ship, similar to the Leviathan (Only smaller) is orbiting the planet. This is the Iron Fist, mentioned in the opening text crawl.

 

When the first clip finishes, you see two Duros bounty hunters escorting you to Slobba the Hutt (Your PC already knows him, since your PC was forced by the Jedi Masters from TSL to go undercover, working for Slobba, asking for work on the Jedi Exile). Slobba is being protected by his crew of bounty hunters and two personal guards. Slobba begins speaking in the language, Huttese and you have no choice but to listen. Slobba immediately asks you about the Jedi Exile, who Slobba had sent you to spy on, during the previous game. You have several choices:

 

A. The Jedi Exile is male and follows the path of the light side.

B. The Jedi Exile is female and follows the path of the light side.

C. The Jedi Exile is male and follows the path of the dark side.

D. The Jedi Exile is female and follows the path of the dark side.

E. I don’t know.

 

Option E, causes an influence loss with Slobba (Despite the fact that Slobba will never be a party member, but this time, you can lose influence with party members important NPC). This option will make the Jedi Exile the canon setting, LSF.

 

Slobba continues to interrogate you, this time about Revan, who the Jedi Exile talked about in the previous game. You have the same options as before and Option E again loses influence with Slobba and sets Revan to the canon setting, LSM.

 

Even though you can’t create the two former PCs again yet, you have set the basis of the game and if former party members will appear, etc.

 

Slobba is disappointed with you (Even if you didn’t lose influence) and asks his guards to send you to the detention cells.

 

For the Prologue, you don’t control your PC and you control the temporary character, T3-HQ, a Utility Droid similar to T3-M4 from the previous games. T3-HQ is a white version of T3 (Who is more of a battered grey white coloured Droid) and your PC is shown to be strong with the Force and can use it for many things, including manipulation, understanding languages, etc. Using the Force, you send T3-HQ to get your gear and rescue you, while being attacked by guards, because Utility Droids aren’t allowed where your PC is. The Prologue is easy and you shouldn’t die, otherwise you aren’t that good at this game are you? If you wish, you can now take the opportunity to skip the Prologue.

 

After you finally rescue your PC, T3-HQ fuses out and you don’t have anything that can repair him. Now you can finally play as your PC, who just needs to reach the Escape Pods. You will fight no enemies here, but you will have to run through the ship, finding the place where the Escape Pods are located. Now you can finally look at your PC. Again, you start off neutral and can either stay neutral, fall to the dark side or become a nicer person to the light side.

 

Once you finally escape, your Escape Pods shoots to Coruscant below and the game finally starts to become interesting.

 

Part 2 coming soon...

 

Here I think the options should be more real, like Slobba states maybe that the Exile was a guy which rumors he heard say the Exile is the one who destroyed Malachor V. Then you the PC have five choices:

 

A:Uh...yea, but after that he and his friends disappeared along with the stolen Ebon Hawk...

B:What!? I followed pretty close and I'm sure the Exile was a woman!

C:No, the Exile didn't destroy Malachor V. He actually assumed the Dark Throne and is now in the Unknown Regions of space.

D:Who'd you hear that from, your suck-up bounty hunter Perrick!? The Exile is a woman and SHE left Malachor where it is. But her whereabouts right now are unknown to me.

E:I don't know.

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- Carth Onasi will return as the Admiral if Revan was set as either a Light Side Male or Light Side Female. Dark Side Male or Dark Side Female Revan will replace the deceased Carth with Admiral Cede.

 

- Bastila Shan will be seen, whatever gender/alignment you set Revan. If LSM or LSF, Bastila will be one of the current Jedi Masters on the new Jedi Council, being a substitute for Revan as the leader of the Jedi Council. DSM or DSM will make Bastila a Sith Lord, still trying to find him in the Unknown Regions.

 

Good.

 

- Mission Vao will be mentioned to being on Kashyyyk with Zaalbar if Revan was set as either LSM or LSF. DSM or DSF Revan means she was killed in KOTOR.

 

- Zaalbar will be mentioned to being the current chieftain of Kashyyyk with Mission if Revan was set as either LSM or LSF. DSM or DSF Revan means he was killed in KOTOR.

 

Good. They could appear (with a legion of Wookiees) and help the Republic when the True Sith presumably attack them.

 

- T3-M4 will return, whatever gender/alignment you set Revan or the Jedi Exile.

 

- Canderous Ordo (Mandalore) will return, whatever gender/alignment you set Revan or the Jedi Exile.

 

- HK-47 will return, whatever gender/alignment you set Revan or the Jedi Exile.

 

Naturally.

 

- Juhani will be looking for Revan, if set as LSM or LSF and you will confront her later on in the story. If Revan was set as DSM or DSF, Juhani was killed in KOTOR.

 

I don’t agree with that, because you aren’t respecting the player’s choice. You could have killed Juhani on Dantooine in KotOR. Yes I know, a true LS’der wouldn’t do that, but there are people who killed Juhani even if they were LS.

 

If she doesn’t appear at all in KotOR III, you can say to yourself that is because I killed her in KotOR, or if you didn’t, you’d have to assume that she died on Katarr, or you were forced to kill her because you went DS. By having her not appear at all, you are respecting the player’s choice.

 

- Jolee Bindo will be a refugee trying to make people’s lives on Sleheyron easier, if Revan was set as LSM or LSF. If Revan was set as DSM or DSF, Jolee was killed in KOTOR.

 

It’s a good role to give Jolee if Revan is set as LS.

 

- Kreia, Bao-Dur’s Remote and GO-TO won’t return to the story, since they were killed off.

 

GO-TO may not be if the Exile is DS though, so he could return, since his fate with DS Exile is unclear, but on the other side of the coin, you can assume that he died no matter what and not have him appear at all.

 

- Atton Rand will be a Jedi Master on the new Jedi Council, whatever gender/alignment you set the Jedi Exile.

 

- Bao-Dur will be a Jedi Master on the new Jedi Council, whatever gender/alignment you set the Jedi Exile.

 

- Brianna (Handmaiden) will be a Jedi Master on the new Jedi Council, only if the gender of the Jedi Exile is male. If female, she was killed along with her sisters.

 

- Mical (Disciple) will be a Jedi Master on the new Jedi Council, only if the gender of the Jedi Exile is female. If male, he was assassinated on his way back to Telos.

 

- Visas Marr will be a Jedi Master on the new Jedi Council, whatever gender/alignment you set the Jedi Exile.

 

- Mira will be a Jedi Master on the new Jedi Council, only if the Jedi Exile was LSM or LSF.

 

It's good that you have the Handmaiden for LSM only and Disciple for LSF only. Although you could have Disciple for LSM and LSF. But sorry, I strongly dislike the idea of making the Exile’s companions Jedi Masters regardless of alignment. But that’s just my opinion.

 

- Hanharr will return, whatever alignment you set the Jedi Exile. He will become an important part of the story later.

 

Bah. He could have been killed in TSL (not depending on alignment) so it’s best to leave the big freak out of it. But if you want him in your story, put him in. It’s no big deal.

 

- Atris will not return. She will die, whatever alignment the Jedi Exile was on. She either died by the Jedi Exile or died shortly afterwards.

 

- Minor characters, such as Dustil Onasi, Yuthara Ban, etc, will be killed in the attack on Katarr or will have been killed in KOTOR, depending on alignment of Revan.

 

I think this is a necessity. The player’s choices must be respected. Remember however, that you could of killed characters like that regardless of your alignment.

 

Anyway, it’s a decent beginning, however, you say that the Jedi doubt the “known” Sith threat will return, yet they suspect Slobba is allied with the Sith? Huh? Why would they, when they think the “known” Sith won’t return?

 

Being a padawan on the verge of becoming a Jedi Knight is a good idea, because if you become a JK fairly early on in the game, from a plot perspective, you’re not that weak, so it will help suspend disbelief. You probably still need something more than that though.

 

And I agree with Darca Lar’s idea about “the options being more real” with Slobba.

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I was pondering whether to have Jolee and Juhani being killed on Katarr, but then I decided to do what I did. I'll improve some things soon. Thanks for the feedback all.

 

Edit: Oh and there is a reason why the Exile's companions are Jedi Masters, whatever the Jedi Exile's alignment. I'll tell you all later.

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- Carth Onasi will return as the Admiral if Revan was set as either a Light Side Male or Light Side Female. Dark Side Male or Dark Side Female Revan will replace the deceased Carth with Admiral Cede.

Good, but I think he also might be able to return even if Revan was dark. After all, we never actually see Carth die, so he could have been picked up by a Republic ship before they retreated.

 

- Bastila Shan will be seen, whatever gender/alignment you set Revan. If LSM or LSF, Bastila will be one of the current Jedi Masters on the new Jedi Council, being a substitute for Revan as the leader of the Jedi Council. DSM or DSM will make Bastila a Sith Lord, still trying to find him in the Unknown Regions

Also good. :)

 

- Mission Vao will be mentioned to being on Kashyyyk with Zaalbar if Revan was set as either LSM or LSF. DSM or DSF Revan means she was killed in KOTOR.

 

- Zaalbar will be mentioned to being the current chieftain of Kashyyyk with Mission if Revan was set as either LSM or LSF. DSM or DSF Revan means he was killed in KOTOR.

Very good. This had been my idea from the beginning, and I want to know what a more mature Mission is like. ;)

 

- T3-M4 will return, whatever gender/alignment you set Revan or the Jedi Exile.

 

- Canderous Ordo (Mandalore) will return, whatever gender/alignment you set Revan or the Jedi Exile.

 

- HK-47 will return, whatever gender/alignment you set Revan or the Jedi Exile.

Of course. :)

 

- Juhani will be looking for Revan, if set as LSM or LSF and you will confront her later on in the story. If Revan was set as DSM or DSF, Juhani was killed in KOTOR.

This is one thing I strongly disagree with. I think Juhani should be dead no matter what. She might have been killed by Revan in the grove even if Revan was light. And even if she wasn't killed, she was most likely on Kataar with the other Jedi when Nihilus attacked. But it's your story, so you can do what you want, of course. :D

 

- Jolee Bindo will be a refugee trying to make people’s lives on Sleheyron easier, if Revan was set as LSM or LSF. If Revan was set as DSM or DSF, Jolee was killed in KOTOR.

 

- Kreia, Bao-Dur’s Remote and GO-TO won’t return to the story, since they were killed off.

 

- Atton Rand will be a Jedi Master on the new Jedi Council, whatever gender/alignment you set the Jedi Exile.

 

- Bao-Dur will be a Jedi Master on the new Jedi Council, whatever gender/alignment you set the Jedi Exile.

 

- Brianna (Handmaiden) will be a Jedi Master on the new Jedi Council, only if the gender of the Jedi Exile is male. If female, she was killed along with her sisters.

 

- Mical (Disciple) will be a Jedi Master on the new Jedi Council, only if the gender of the Jedi Exile is female. If male, he was assassinated on his way back to Telos.

 

- Visas Marr will be a Jedi Master on the new Jedi Council, whatever gender/alignment you set the Jedi Exile.

 

- Mira will be a Jedi Master on the new Jedi Council, only if the Jedi Exile was LSM or LSF.

I like the situation with Jolee, Kreia (although I would like it if she showed up as a Force ghost), Remote, and GO-TO. I also like Brianna's and Mical's appearances based on the Exile's alignment, but I don't like the Exile's other companions being Jedi Masters no matter what. But again, it's your story, so if you like it, then it's ok. :)

 

- Hanharr will return, whatever alignment you set the Jedi Exile. He will become an important part of the story later.

 

- Atris will not return. She will die, whatever alignment the Jedi Exile was on. She either died by the Jedi Exile or died shortly afterwards.

 

- Minor characters, such as Dustil Onasi, Yuthara Ban, etc, will be killed in the attack on Katarr or will have been killed in KOTOR, depending on alignment of Revan.

I like all this.

 

- A young Jedi Padawan in the mid twenties, who before joining the Jedi Order had used the Force all of his/her life. You’re on the verge of knighthood and usually you would have been cast out of the Order, but since there isn’t many Jedi around, the Jedi have let you stay.

 

- Your PC is from Zolko, a planet that had been attacked by the True Sith, four years prior to this storyline. You’ll be able to visit Zolko later on in the story.

 

- Other than the new PC’s past life, your character can be your own, unlike Revan and the Exile who were forced.

This is more realistic than being some mercenary who becomes a padawan and is suddenly powerful enough to defeat the True Sith. I like it! :D

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Good, but I think he also might be able to return even if Revan was dark. After all, we never actually see Carth die, so he could have been picked up by a Republic ship before they retreated.

 

Actually, Carth was picked up by a republic ship on Rakata Prime. However, when DSF Revan had romanced Carth she or Bastila killed Carth after Malak was killed.

I assume that when Revan is DSM, Carth became psychotic or quit his soldier career or so, being betrayed twice.

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You are not respecting the player’s choices by having Carth show up in KotOR III if Revan is set as a DSF, because you are forcing the scenario on the player that your DSF Revan did not romance with Carth in KotOR and therefore did not show up on the Star Forge, when some DSF Revan players did romance with Carth and did kill him (or had Bastila kill him) on the Star Forge.

 

If Carth doesn’t appear at all in KotOR III if Revan is set as a DSF, then the player can assume that is because:

 

a) You or Bastila killed him on the Star Forge in KotOR

b) He just died somewhere some other time

c) Other (anything you want really)

 

And what about having Carth appear in KotOR III if Revan is set as a DSM? Well, you could, but where was he in TSL? Why did Cede replace his role if he is still alive? You might as well just make things easier and go 2-2. LS Revan = Carth is alive and in KotOR III and DS Revan = Carth doesn’t appear. What happened to him we can decide.

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The sacrifice/redemption of DSF Revan on the StarForge was cut from KotOR and only available through mods that restore it. Therefore it cannot be taken to be even a possibility. It's not even a "deleted scene" as much as it's an "alternative ending".

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