DarthSomething Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Quite a bit of people like Sion and Kreia. If there's any K2 villain that's not getting much love, it's G0-T0. Look at how many mods there are out there that replace him with another character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meowster Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Quite a bit of people like Sion and Kreia. If there's any K2 villain that's not getting much love, it's G0-T0. Look at how many mods there are out there that replace him with another character. Now that is VERY true. Most people find (from what I've heard people tell me) G0-T0 a very dull, and simply evil character that they'll do nothing with. While G0-T0 IS evil, if you BOTHER to get influence with him, and take part in his quests, he can be quite the character. Forgive my rambling...anyway's, in all honesty, I've always liked Kreia and Sion more than Nihlius (how do you say that by the way?) except for Nihlius' intro, that was...somewhat scary, and frightening to a sort (or at least when I first played. Kreia was IMHO one of the BEST villians ever for all of the reasons listed. I liked Sion alot...except for the creepy romance out-of-nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephira Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Now that is VERY true. Most people find (from what I've heard people tell me) G0-T0 a very dull, and simply evil character that they'll do nothing with. While G0-T0 IS evil, if you BOTHER to get influence with him, and take part in his quests, he can be quite the character. Forgive my rambling...anyway's, in all honesty, I've always liked Kreia and Sion more than Nihlius (how do you say that by the way?) except for Nihlius' intro, that was...somewhat scary, and frightening to a sort (or at least when I first played. Kreia was IMHO one of the BEST villians ever for all of the reasons listed. I liked Sion alot...except for the creepy romance out-of-nowhere. One of the best villians kotor wise or entire SW wise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinthian Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Kreia wasn't that good of a character. "Woo, I'm a Nihilist, I want to blow up the Force with my Superbomb." It's new for Star Wars, but let's face it, in every medium of fiction there's been a bad guy who wants to blow up the whole planet with his giant superlasergun cannon. Sion was just the typical "I hurt, and I wanna make everyone else hurt." and Nihilus was jut Kreia, except even less interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamqd Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 I don't like any of them because there not really Sith, they didn't choose the Darkside they were left with no other choice... Nihilus created himself, he clung to the Darkside to save himself and then was trapped in limbo as a slave to power. Sion could not face death or his decision's, and became a bitter Darkside zombie. (which in my opinion is far more ridiculous than Malak's so called cliche' characteristics) Kreia went against what she had been trained, and was exiled by the Jedi, so she thought she'd piss them of by creating the Munsters Triumvirate... they told her to go away, so she turned on the force. She's just a bitter old women with abandonment issues. while the characters are in depth and interesting to a point, I feel myself feeling sorry for them... And that isn't what I want from a Sith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephira Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Right and her attempts to "destroy the force" doesnt seem to fit any purpose, she planned to but even if she succeded in killing the exile or herself, what is there to indicate it will work? Just because she say it would doesnt mean it would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthSomething Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 I don't like any of them because there not really Sith, they didn't choose the Darkside they were left with no other choice... Nihilus created himself, he clung to the Darkside to save himself and then was trapped in limbo as a slave to power. Sion could not face death or his decision's, and became a bitter Darkside zombie. (which in my opinion is far more ridiculous than Malak's so called cliche' characteristics) Kreia went against what she had been trained, and was exiled by the Jedi, so she thought she'd piss them of by creating the Munsters Triumvirate... they told her to go away, so she turned on the force. She's just a bitter old women with abandonment issues. while the characters are in depth and interesting to a point, I feel myself feeling sorry for them... And that isn't what I want from a Sith Irreverent Declaration: Look at some of the reasons other characters became Sith. Darth Vader: "Everyone close to me dies, it's NOT FAIR!" Darth Caedus: [broods a bit, discovers the above reason why his grandpa became a Sith, broods some more, decides to become a Sith]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinthian Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 I can't imagine how you could feel sorry for any of the triumvirate. It's like feeling sorry for cardboard cutouts with Nihilus and Sion, and Kreia only has a little bit more depth. None of them really had any personality or character traits, Kreia was just all of Obi-Wan's "Point of View" crap integrated into a Sith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamqd Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Irreverent Declaration: Look at some of the reasons other characters became Sith. Darth Vader: "Everyone close to me dies, it's NOT FAIR!" Darth Caedus: [broods a bit, discovers the above reason why his grandpa became a Sith, broods some more, decides to become a Sith]. Funnily enough I was gonna point out that Vader was one of my favorite Sith, until his story was explained in the PT, then he became another excuse for Redemption... Darth Caedus is directly linked to Vader and his own fall is a product of his knowledge of Vader's Betrayal, plus they are only a few decades apart, hardly a sum of all the Sith's parts while the characters are in depth and interesting to a point, I feel myself feeling sorry for them... And that isn't what "I" want from a Sith I can't imagine how you could feel sorry for any of the triumvirate. I meant pathetic more than pitiful, My kind of Sith are Naga Sadow, Darth Bane and Palpatine... Not broken Jedi Outcasts. This doesn't mean I don't Love Ulic Qel-Droma and Anakin/Vader, in fact they are two of my favourite charactors, just not (for lack of a better word) true Sith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego Varen Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 I agree with you, DarthExile27. Sion is my favourite Sith Lord in the KOTOR series and Kreia is one of the best written characters in the series. I've never liked Nihilus, except in the concept art, where he was fighting Atris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinthian Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Also, notice that they seem to have an intense desire to cram as much of Vader in there as they possibly could. Malak with the bad jaw and the grating voice was bad enough, then we had Sion and Nihilus. Two Vader Clones for the price of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jediphile Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 I can't imagine how you could feel sorry for any of the triumvirate. It's like feeling sorry for cardboard cutouts with Nihilus and Sion, and Kreia only has a little bit more depth. None of them really had any personality or character traits, Kreia was just all of Obi-Wan's "Point of View" crap integrated into a Sith. I don't feel sorry for Sion, at least not very. It was a harsh fate, but he did little to avoid it, harsh brute that he is. For Nihilus you just can't know. His strength of character lies entirely in the mystery that surrounds him. Should you feel sorry for him or not? You don't know... And that adds to the threat he represents. It's not bad characterization, but a genuine and intentional choice in storytelling. You can argue that you don't like it, fair enough, but I don't think it's fair to call him a bad character for that reason. The writers made a deliberate choice with the character. Whether we like that choice or not is down to personal taste. It's like saying the end of DS9's "Sacrifice of Angels" episode was "bad" because the writers had the prophets come in and do a deux-ex-machina solution. As the writers of DS9 have said in the past, it's annoying that people don't acknowledge the choice they made in the storytelling - they didn't HAVE to do a deux-ex-machina. It was not a cop-out. They did it because they chose it in light of the greater evolving plot. For Nihilus it's just the same, especially now that Avellone has confirmed that he did have a greater plot in mind for this character. Kreia I do feel sorry for in a way, however. Because among all the Sith, she is the only one I have ever felt the slightest inkling of sympathy for. Most, if not all, of the other Sith do it for the power or because they think they are themselves the greatest ever or both (and yes, that goes for Anakin too - the whole love thing is just a euphemism he conveniently hides his intents behind). Kreia, however, does not do it for personal gain, but for the greater cause of freeing the innocents of the tyranny of the will of the force. You could call it madness, certainly, but you can say that of any crusader. Is Batman insane for fighting a war against the very concept of crime that can never be won? If so, then he is just as mad as Kreia is. Not that I approve of Kreia, mind you. She is hardly flawless. Most obviously, she's a hypocrite, since she holds the will of the force responsible for using innocent people to further its own wishes, while she resorts to doing exactly the same herself. A pretty big flaw, methinks. Kreia's intentions are good, however, yet in the end only serve to remind us that intentions are exactly what the road to Hell is paved with and - perhaps more importantly - why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 I definitely wasn't a big Nihilus fan. Sion was pretty awesome I thought, but I'd say Kreia was definitely the best character in TSL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattousaiCV Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 At the end of my first play through (pure light side), I came to understand Kreia's POV and actually wanted to let her destroy the Force! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Talon Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Nihilus was to me the saddest character of the Sith. Come to think of it he wasn't a true Sith. His role reminds me of Galactus in Marvel comics. Destined to live forever but must feed on the force to survive or he will consume himself. Like the Miraluka saed he was a great man once. His image of a tall figure slowly crouching under the pain of his hunger truly makes me sad. Man, I really was sad when I had to stop him. And his end... Slowly to be consumed into the empty void listening to the fugue of oblivion as I grasp for air is not how I would like to end. In some way killing him was mercy. Rest in peace Nihilus:*( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nancy Allen`` Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 Why no love for them? Easy, they're both Sith. To go into a little more detail, Kreia is manipulative and supports some rather dark sided options (such as convincing the Exchange to kill a sick refugee) and Sion, I always think back to Korriban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spawn613 Posted November 6, 2007 Share Posted November 6, 2007 so i was about level 25 when i fought the three sith's and they were a freakin push over. not to mention there was nothing to them. especially nihilus. he's made out to be the big baddie this whole time and he's the first one you fight. it should've been sion, kreia, THEN nihilus. he even had a pimp ship too. i've never thought of that concept for a ship to be barely together but floating through space and wailing on colonies. same thing for the concept of sion. i try to design a new slick lookin' sith lord, but they made one who is barely together and still kickin' your azzizzle (that was bad i know). they're pretty much the same in a way if you look at it. (sion and the ravager) but anyway, kreia's incredibly long speeches and everything still don't contain a story that sucked me in, although the writing throughout the game is beyond me. i would've given up at the second character if i had to write all that stuff and come up with different variables, etc. i don't know how to explain but it's just not the same with these sith and the sith in the first KOTOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinthian Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 The big plot twist was pretty bad, too. "Kreia's evil?" Did anyone NOT see that coming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 I know that I saw it coming..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Chronus Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 It seems that I am the only one who likes Nihilus much more the other Sith. Well... I remember when I firstly played KotOR II, and I was never really interested about him until I saw the video of Traya's betrayal. He looked really cool, being able to cast down a Sith Lord by a force push, while Kreia states ''there are techniques within the force agianst which there is no defense''. Also, his appearance looks great as his name. He is a Sith Lord with mysterious past and powers, and totally consumed by the hunger for power. A nearly living man with the ability to drain all life out from someone. And his voice sounds pretty cool to me. I couldn't imagine him have a voice as Sion(he has perfect voice but fits only him) or Malak(Ha-ha-ha-ha....ha-ha-ha). I think that most people criticize him because they played too much times the game and got bored of him. But try to remember the first time you played it. And don't blame him for being so easy to beat and dies so early in the game. Blame the creators of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinthian Posted November 9, 2007 Share Posted November 9, 2007 The first time I played him, I thought he was incredibly lame. His voice made less sense than the average opera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meowster Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 Really? I thought Nihlius seemed..really dark. The way he choked Visas, and then spoke in the crazy 'Sith' language, sent me chills. The fight, however, was a major letdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corinthian Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 Oh, man, he choked Visas. Who cares? You know when I first saw that? THE ORIGINAL STAR WARS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meowster Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 Meh. I think anyone whom is willing to choke someone merely over nothing is crazy, and scary, and Vader was simply insulted. I'm not really that scared of Vader, seeing the PT first. Anyways, I'm going off-topic. And the fact that he could kill worlds, people, and creatures in nearly no time at all, gave a few points to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev7 Posted November 10, 2007 Share Posted November 10, 2007 No character is perfect. I think that Nihilihus was also a 'major letdown'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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