RevanFan90 Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Bioware please think of the TSL fans. Please preserve TSL's story. I will explain in my post why I think TSL's story should be preserved in the new MMO. As you may know TSL's story is unique. It is grey and makes you question everything you thought was right and everything you thought was wrong. The plot was complex in some ways but, was written wonderfully. It had some of the most wonderful characters such as Kreia who especially gives me chills with lines like "It is such a quiet thing to fall but, far more terrible is to admit it." The story of the wound and Kriea's hatred of the force was also unique. Please Bioware do not let the stories of characters such as the exile and the lost jedi, Kriea, and what we learned about Revan from TSL fade from existence. I know you guys didn't make the story but, think of how hard those who did worked on it worked to create it and think of how we TSL fans enjoy the complexities in it. Please preserve TSL's storyline, it's plot, and it's characters. The MMO needs to be a continuation of TSL's story not the destruction of it. We want to know what happened to the Exile and the others who rebuilt the Jedi order. Those who agree with me and want to make a plea to Bioware please post. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Hunger Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 I agree with you, but I don't think that the culprit is Bioware. I honestly blame LucasArts, considering Bioware actually makes good plots outside of the Star Wars universe. But you are dead on mate. Oh, and welcome to LucasForums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedHawke Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Also note this isn't a Bioware or Lucasarts site... so your pleas to them directly are better served on their own forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giant Graffiti Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Bioware actually makes good plots outside of the Star Wars universe. Not really, considering the fact that they re-use the same basic plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Well TSL was better than the 1st Kotor because it was not so serious and actually had some joking and stuff. However, both plots were good and the romance in Kotor was good. So yeah, i am interested in a KOTOR 3, not a crappy MMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purifier Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 I thought OBSIDIAN designed and developed TSL not BIOWARE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriggerGod Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 I thought OBSIDIAN designed and developed TSL not BIOWARE. *takes note of forum and it's use* Remember how Bioware was making this MMO set in the KOTOR era? Yeah, they're still making it. And retconning Obsidian's work on TSL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobias Reiper Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 I still don't see why it seems broken to you guys, because think about it: The game's far from done, and they're working on it right now, so who really knows what's going on but Bioware? It's already incorporating a bit of TSL, how? The Jedi, who do you think got them there? Perhaps maybe: Bao-Dur Mical Visas Marr Mira and Atton Rand, better known as the 'Lost Jedi'? Also, before you say you didn't train them as jedi because you didn't feel like it needed them, it's still canon that The Exile trained each of them as Jedi (Or at least, all but one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Remember how Bioware was making this MMO set in the KOTOR era? Yeah, they're still making it. And retconning Obsidian's work on TSL. Someone remind me what's being "retconned" again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallucination Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 ^Revan isn't the Star Wars D&D equivalent to a character from the Book of Weeabo Fightan Magic Nine Swords. People who play D&D 3.5 known what I'm talking about, and they're sad I made them remember that book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TKA-001 Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 ^Revan isn't the Star Wars D&D equivalent to a character from the Book of Weeabo Fightan Magic Nine Swords. That's it? Surely there's something more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallucination Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 It's the only one that sticks in mind, but there are others. You'll have to get one of the TSL/Chris Avellone lovers to give you a comprehensive list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrrtoken Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 TSL, who? See how effective their marketing is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cire992 Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Don't we already have a thread for this sort of wanton ***hattery? Not that I mind complaining about how confusing the canon is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Someone remind me what's being "retconned" again? When you talk to Kreia and she speaks of Revan, you say either: The Sith teachings came from Korriban or The Sith teachings came from the Sith Empire Kreia responds: "Oh did they? Revan learned the Sith Teachings, but met no Sith Empire." Obviously that is now retconned--but it does make her look like an even more deceitful old batwho "doesn't add up". I still don't see why it seems broken to you guys, because think about it: The game's far from done, and they're working on it right now, so who really knows what's going on but Bioware? It's already incorporating a bit of TSL, how? The Jedi, who do you think got them there? Perhaps maybe: Bao-Dur Mical Visas Marr Mira and Atton Rand, better known as the 'Lost Jedi'? Also, before you say you didn't train them as jedi because you didn't feel like it needed them, it's still canon that The Exile trained each of them as Jedi (Or at least, all but one). The ultimate visual guide (made in 2005) and a few other canon sources also claim Handmaiden Brianna was a force sensitive who traveled with the exile--as if it wasn't already confusing enough. But who knows by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Vougalot Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 I think everyone needs to calm down. The fact that they are working off of the "true Sith" mystery that has captivated for four years is proof enough that The Sith Lords is factoring into all of this (and don't start with the but-they-were-mentioned-in-the-first-game argument. That was clearly a throw-away term describing something entirely different which BioWare had no intentions of exploring). This major plot device from TSL has become the backbone of The Old Republic's story. Even if they ignore everything else from the game, they wouldn't be disregarding it completely, just not referencing it (much). Don't worry! I have no doubt that TSL's story will still fit within continuity, even if hardly anything from the game is referenced. It's the same with the movies themselves: you can watch Attack of the Clones and go right into Revenge of the Sith without ever exposing yourself to any of the Clone Wars media, but all of that stuff still fits (well, until this new cartoon show started messing everything up, but Leeland Chee has said that it'll all be fixed eventually. I have a feeling that ensuring that TSL still fits is a top priority for him as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Kreia responds: "Oh did they? Revan learned the Sith Teachings, but met no Sith Empire." Obviously that is now retconned Is it? I thought the new info indicated they met the Sith Emperor. In which case the statement remains true. But I admit I haven't been keeping up on every new detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Vougalot Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Yeah, the Empire and the Emperor are not the same thing. One is a geographical/political body and the other is a person. And it could well be that Revan met the Emperor alone, not knowing that he had and empire and therefore not knowing that he even was an emperor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hallucination Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 ^It's possible, but who agrees to take over the galaxy for a random dude? @GTA: You're quoting Kreia, the galaxy's biggest Revan fanboy and a pathological liar who didn't go with Revan into the Unknown Regions, how much more unreliable can a source get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamqd Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 watsonreturneth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Vougalot Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 ^It's possible, but who agrees to take over the galaxy for a random dude? Not just any random dude. This random dude would have been the true Dark Lord of the Sith and, in Revan's and Malak's minds, the one sole remainder of the Sith Order. This guy can and did bestow upon them the title of Sith Lords, and they likely returned to the galaxy with the idea of rebuilding the Sith Empire in mind. Only little did they know that said random dude already had an empire in waiting, Revan's being but a puppet empire paving the way for the true Sith Empire's eventual return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 ^It's possible, but who agrees to take over the galaxy for a random dude? Only a dochenozzle. @GTA: You're quoting Kreia, the galaxy's biggest Revan fanboy and a pathological liar who didn't go with Revan into the Unknown Regions, how much more unreliable can a source get? HA! Good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobias Reiper Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 I've been thinking, and what is it that made them wait for another few hundred years until they went to the galaxy? Did Revan kick so much sith boot-ay before he went out that they had to rebuild it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Vougalot Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 Probably just waiting for what they deemed was the "right time" to act, just like the Sith in the movies. Also, is it just me, or does it annoy you when people come in here, sign up, and make a single post, whether they had good points or not? It's like, why waste your time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted January 14, 2010 Share Posted January 14, 2010 Well yes and no--wait and see. If it appears they might stick around and make a contribution to LF as a meber of our community I figure sticking it out and enduring a few rounds of noob foolishness is worth it. But yes it is rather agitating when we get one-hitter-quitters so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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