Ztalker Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Linkie In the pas weeks, Kadaffi has been casually murdering hundreds (thousands?) of his own people. His own people, who want freedom. Ironically, the French show they have brass ba...ehm...and have sent their fighter jets in advance of the main group (U.S., Canda, UK) to defend the rebel stronghold of Benghazi. As we speak, they have already destroyed several of Kadaffi's tanks and the involvement of the U.N. is official. And face it; Battle for Benghazi sounds cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 This should probably be in Kavars.... That said, well done to the Armée de l'Air. I honestly think the French reputation for cowardice is completely unwarranted, and their actions show the critics of the UK and the US that it isn't another Iraq style adventure (it's legal, for a start). The US Navy is reportedly gearing up to launch missiles at installations later today, in addition to blockading Libya by sea, and the RAF, RCAF and Danish fighters are en route to bases within striking distance. I only hope Gaddafi has the sense (unlikely) to realise that the UN and NATO aren't likely to back down as easily as he pushed back the rebels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimartin Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 This should probably be in Kavars..... *looks around* This looks like Kavars to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jae Onasi Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Yes, US subs and aircraft characters fully support the 2 French aircraft from the entire L'Armee de l'Aire. Seriously, Qadhafi needs to go. Hopefully the coalition will be able to limit the bloodshed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Airpower is nice, but troops on the ground (regardless of where they come from) are likely to be the only thing short of a "lucky" stray bomb/s to put an end to Qaddafi and his regime. This looks like Kavars to me. Quite so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Yes, US subs and aircraft characters fully support the 2 French aircraft from the entire L'Armee de l'Aire. Seriously, though, the French should be commended for going in and taking out ground targets before the air defence had been taken down. It certainly shows that they meant business. Airpower is nice, but troops on the ground (regardless of where they come from) are likely to be the only thing short of a "lucky" stray bomb/s to put an end to Qaddafi and his regime. A lot of news pundits here have commented on how President Obama and Mrs. Clinton have been keen to stress that no American troops would be deployed. And while the resolution prohibits ground forces, and seeing as they seem to be the driving force for the moment, the French Foreign Legion is never far away in Africa... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totenkopf Posted March 19, 2011 Share Posted March 19, 2011 Seriously, though, the French should be commended for going in and taking out ground targets before the air defence had been taken down. It certainly shows that they meant business. Probably a bit harder than taking out Ivory Coast's pitiful air force a number of years ago. A lot of news pundits here have commented on how President Obama and Mrs. Clinton have been keen to stress that no American troops would be deployed. And while the resolution prohibits ground forces, and seeing as they seem to be the driving force for the moment, the French Foreign Legion is never far away in Africa... I'd be quite fine w/the FFL and the Arab League/African nations providing the ground muscle. America doesn't always have to provide the cannon fodder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Arab League and Africans fighting on the Anti-Qadaffi side... now that's irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Hunger Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Why call it a No-Fly Zone when they're in all reality wiping out all of Gaddafi's forces minus infantry? In all honesty though, kudos to the UN for getting its balls back. This speed and seriousness is highly unusual for them and deserves a round of applause. Now...if only we could do the same thing here with North Korea.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Here's the full resolution, the one that's colloquially being called the No-Fly Zone. The resolution, adopted under Chapter VII of the United Nations Charter: demands the immediate establishment of a ceasefire and a complete end to violence and all attacks against, and abuses of, civilians; imposes a no-fly zone over Libya; authorises all necessary means to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas, except for a "foreign occupation force"; strengthens the arms embargo and particularly action against mercenaries, by allowing for forcible inspections of ships and planes; imposes a ban on all Libyan-designated flights; imposes an asset freeze on assets owned by the Libyan authorities, and reaffirms that such assets should be used for the benefit of the Libyan people; extends the travel ban and assets freeze of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1970 to a number of additional individuals and Libyan entities; establishes a panel of experts to monitor and promote sanctions implementation. Now...if only we could do the same thing here with North Korea.... You'll have to wait till Kim starts lobbing missiles and fighter-strafing his own people. And then deal with one of the world's largest armed forces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Hunger Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 You'll have to wait till Kim starts lobbing missiles and fighter-strafing his own people. And then deal with one of the world's largest armed forces. Well the South Korean people are Koreans so in technicality when he bombarded that island a few months ago he attacked his own people. As for one of the world's largest armed forces, he might have a lot of people. The US, on the other hand, has a lot more cruise missiles. If it wasn't for North Korea being China's puppy dog the US could have had Jong-Ill's regime in the garbage can at every moment since the Korean War, including now. I wish there was something we could just give the Chinese so they'd stop protecting North Korea. Admittedly North Korea does have their own missiles and supposedly nukes so they could make it sting...provided they had time to launch them and they weren't shot down by brave men and women in the armed forces.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabretooth Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Well the South Korean people are Koreans so in technicality when he bombarded that island a few months ago he attacked his own people. ...who are not part of his government and nation, so no, they're not his "own" people anymore. As for one of the world's largest armed forces, he might have a lot of people. The US, on the other hand, has a lot more cruise missiles. If it wasn't for North Korea being China's puppy dog the US could have had Jong-Ill's regime in the garbage can at every moment since the Korean War, including now. Like how America put Saddam and the Taliban in the garbage can and restored peace and stability there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Hunger Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 ...who are not part of his government and nation, so no, they're not his "own" people anymore. Except he claims them as his own in the same way Gaddafi claims the rebels in Benghazi. Like how America put Saddam and the Taliban in the garbage can and restored peace and stability there? In the case of Saddam, we did put him the garbage can. We had peace in Iraq until Al-Qaeda came in large numbers and triggered mass sectarian violence. When we got our *** in gear and made the troop surge, peace was restored. As for the Taliban, we could wipe them out right now if Pakistan would let us invade the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan for them. That's the only real reason why the Taliban even exist. They keep having to bring in more people from the east into Afghanistan to cause trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 Except he claims them as his own in the same way Gaddafi claims the rebels in Benghazi. Not really... Gaddafi has been claiming for weeks now that the rebels are foreign fighters from Al Qaeda and the Islamic Brotherhood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverandbacon Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 I have little experience with French civilians, but their military does not deserve a reputation of cowardice. Quite the opposite in fact. Gaddafi deserves to be gone, but it'll probably take boots on the ground to remove him fully. Glad the US isn't supplying them though, we'd just get blamed for any problems. Again. Of course, people will complain now (maybe not here, but IRL), saying the US should send troops. We can't win with some people. Also... it's only ok to topple a dictator who's slaughtering his people once an internal rebellion has been launched? If people are dying without a fight, it's wrong to help them? Trying hard here to see how the UN sees this as any different from Iraq. N.B: I was actually against the war in Iraq starting (though once it started, fully in favor of following through and finishing it), for the following reasons: A: We were already in A-stan (why add another front?) B: It would make everyone expect us to eliminate dictators they should get rid of themselves, and blame us if it didn't go as planned. C: The average US citizen now lacks the necessary grit to get the country through a double (perhaps even single) war, despite the fact that it affects their daily lives less than any previous war in our history. Sadly those of us who are actually directly involved in the war are easily drowned out by the whining of the masses. Apologies if this came off a bit rant-ish, I'm recovering from surgery, and lack of physical activity has turned me more irritable than usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Hunger Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Not really... Gaddafi has been claiming for weeks now that the rebels are foreign fighters from Al Qaeda and the Islamic Brotherhood. Wait, wasn't it that they were being drugged by foreign fighters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astor Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Wait, wasn't it that they were being drugged by foreign fighters? It seems to be all of them - it evolves with each new broadcast. Originally it was hallucinating foreign drug pushers, and now it's drug dealers, Islamic militants and CIA instigators. Anything but ordinary Libyans who've had enough, it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primogen Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Of course the French reputation for cowardice isn't earned. I thought everyone already knew it was a joke. I figure next time Gaddafi makes a broadcast, it'll be that the rebels are being lead by a charismatic parasite called a Goa'uld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverNight Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Been watching this on Al-Jazeera along with a few others on IRC, interesting happenings. As for Goa'uld, I'd expect him to mention something along the lines of Scientology before outright Star Gate And I was always of the opinion that most everybody figured the whole French thing was a joke :< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ztalker Posted March 22, 2011 Author Share Posted March 22, 2011 Of course the French reputation for cowardice isn't earned. I thought everyone already knew it was a joke. I figure next time Gaddafi makes a broadcast, it'll be that the rebels are being lead by a charismatic parasite called a Goa'uld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommycat Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Actually I'm waiting to hear him say that they are infected with Charlie Sheen's blood. WINNING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniVidiVicous Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Well I feel obliged as a European to say that this primarily about oil and not the people in Libya., the fact that Sarkozy owes Gaddafi money also comes into frances willingness to get involved imo. I mean there's other places in Africa who need military assistance far more than Libya but these countries aren't sitting on oil so go figure. Don't take this as a pro-gaddafi post btw i'm just fed up of seeing the US invading other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primogen Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 Actually, we aren't invading. No Coalition troops are putting their boots on Libyan soil, we're just bombing them back to the stone age. Also, the United States is just one member in a sizable coalition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Avlectus Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 I'm a little skeptical as Ghaddafi did comply with the no-nukes treaty and even bit the bullet with sanctions. Why exactly would someone, otherwise compliant with the international scene, participate in brutality? It just doesn't make sense to me. I have little experience with French civilians, but their military does not deserve a reputation of cowardice. Quite the opposite in fact. Hey, their fencers have some of the best techniques. Right up there with portugese, spaniards, italians, and germans. Besides, Andre the Giant was born in the french alps. There would not have been a Hulk Hogan nor a Vince McMahon if there hadn't been an Andre the Giant. Besides we both know a certain lady who speaks french, though she speaks English to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Working Class Hero Posted March 23, 2011 Share Posted March 23, 2011 It's cool that the US is now at war with at least 3 nations, all of them without first being declared by congress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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