Toonces Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 Nice to see you around here again Chang One question I have is weather or not some type of support could be added for custom, or non-humanoid skeletions? I'm coming completely from an artists perspective, and not a programer, so It may not be possible, but one of the things I always wanted to add was some custom animations for my models. (flowing tenticles, more realistic clothing) Also, any chance of seeing a "ragdoll" type physics system implemented? I'm very anxious to see what you guys can come up with, especially within such a short time. I plan to rework some of my models and import them into the next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuRaSaMuNe Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 Ledge grab would seriously rule.. especially if you could force flip yourself back up and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariners2001 Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 Ledge grab would seriously rule.. especially if you could force flip yourself back up and stuff. Lol yeah...exactly!! Like Obi-Wan with Darth Maul in TPM. You know...if it's in the movies - it's gotta be in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperial Jawa Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 Ok yes ledge grabbing would rule. Everyone who wants this in post now or forever hold your peace! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonces Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 Originally posted by Imperial Jawa Ok yes ledge grabbing would rule. Everyone who wants this in post now or forever hold your peace! Yes, this would be a good idea, and I'd like to see it implimented, but.... I'm not one of the moderators of this forum, but I am LFN staff, so I'm asking everybody, please, lets not spam up this thread by requesting ledge grabing, or whatever feature multiple times. There is a good dialogue going on here, and I'd like to keep the "spam" to a minium (below)edit: No worries Plo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Plo_Koon Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 It is a must have!!! We need it! Edit: Opps. Sorry. I posted the same time you did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariners2001 Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 hmm...maybe i'll start a new thread to petition for it.....please everyone who wants ledge grabbing (which it looks like are plenty) move to the new thread i'll start.... Petition here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLord60 Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 I agree with toonces we dont need people spaming the forums about request for JK3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChangKhan Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 Okay, well, first off, if I'm going to answer any of the questions, I guess I need to admit that we are, indeed, making this game (should be pretty obvious by now, so no-one should get mad at me for admitting as much). No, it's not a hoax/joke/rumor, no, it's not an expansion pack, it is a full, complete, stand-alone game. And it's called Jedi Knight III right now for lack of a better name, I, personally, would not call it a "sequel" to JK2 since I think a DF/JK game should always be about the Katarns (maybe a true JK3 could be about Kyle and Jan's child, who perhaps shows a particularly strong adeptness with the Force...?) So I wouldn't be surprised if the name doesn't stay "Jedi Knight III" (but who knows). Not that it's not a full game, it's bigger than JK2 in terms of gameplay, content and features, it's just not, in my opinion, the true sequel to JK2. I think that one shouldn't be done for a year or so and should probably use a new engine. Now, onto questions: Originally posted by DeTRiTiC-iQ Since i'm assuming JK3 will face the same issues in terms of singleplayer development maybe include some more workarounds to problems? In JK2 we managed to include new NPCs using extra npc config files. Maybe extend this so we can have new quest/mission-based inventory items? New inventory items? Hmm... well, that would require us to really make the inventory stuff a lot more externalized than it currently is. Not a totally trivial thing. However, with ICARUS scripting you could easily simulate something like this. Place a misc_model_breakable and have it so that when the player hits a trigger, it removes it, sets a variable, fires off a script, whatever you want - it can affect anything you want it to. Along these lines, though, I do want to make modding easier. I've already made it easier to add new NPCs and custom sabers of all kinds of configurations, and there may be some other things that will make content mods easier to accomplish... we'll see. Originally posted by DeTRiTiC-iQ Maybe have it so you can have interconnected levels that you can go back and forth between, collecting items to solve puzzles in old areas etc. ie making it possible for editors to make Deus Ex style missions. Again, this isn't trivial, a hub-style interconnectivity between levels is a lot of work. However, we did do this for the expasion pack to Elite Force so, technically, it's still a feature of our game, just one we're not using. I don't know if it still works, but someone could try it (either look at a "Virtual Voyager" map file or just try it - I believe it's just a spawnflag on the target_level_change entity. Originally posted by striderx2048 The game plays in the X-Men world and revolves around the coming-of-age story of Magma, a less known X-Men character (appearing first in New Mutants). The game features 19 Marvel mutant characters from various time periods, including Wolverine, Cyclops, Beast, Nightcrawler etc. The story is written by experienced Marvel writers, among them Joey Casey, Steven Seagle and more. Oh, yeah, we decided to combine the Star Wars and X-Men licenses, we figured they're both pretty big right now, so what would be bigger? X-Wars! Heh... yeah, that's a bit of a typo, there... Originally posted by Toonces One question I have is weather or not some type of support could be added for custom, or non-humanoid skeletions? I'm coming completely from an artists perspective, and not a programer, so It may not be possible, but one of the things I always wanted to add was some custom animations for my models. (flowing tenticles, more realistic clothing) Well, you should already be able to do that. The problem was trying to add animations to the humanoid skeleton. You can make your own skeletons, but rebuilding our skeleton with your animations in them wasn't working. At this point, I'm not sure whether this will be improved in this game, but I promise I'll be looking into it as we get closer to being done. Right now, we're just trying to hit our milestones. Originally posted by Toonces Also, any chance of seeing a "ragdoll" type physics system implemented? That's a definite "maybe". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wacky_Baccy Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 Mike, you rock Welcome back to the insanity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt-- Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 As long as we're making suggestions/comments: include an objective based game, not unlike UT's Assault mode. I know that JK2 had an undocumented 'saga' mode, but it was just that, undocumented. Please please please support and even release maps of this type for this new game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChangKhan Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 Originally posted by matt-windu As long as we're making suggestions/comments: include an objective based game, not unlike UT's Assault mode. I know that JK2 had an undocumented 'saga' mode, but it was just that, undocumented. Please please please support and even release maps of this type for this new game. We are planning on adding one entirely new MP game type, but we're not discussing it right now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariners2001 Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 Mike, you do indeed kick ass... So any comments on the possibility of ledge-grabbing or implementing SAGA mode into MP? EDIT: Ooo. A new gametype...sounds great....and btw, will previous maps be usable in JK3 as you see it now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorace Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 I agree. The only reason why Saga didn't take off was because the mappers didn't support the format because Saga hadn't taken off. I think the big thing is to fix all the known bugs in the code and try to get LEC to let you guys release patches until the thing is actually bugfree instead of a mostly bugfree state like 1.04. I understand that the legal stuff is a big red tape machine but it's not like you didn't have to fix the bugs in preparation for JK3! Also, I know that LEC is pushing for a simplistic saber system but it would be nice to have something more involving than the current JK2 system. Along the same lines, REAL saber collisions in MP is very important. The whole "defensive" saber = big box isn't very realistic or involving. I know it's fixable if you put some work into it (like I am doing on my own). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSurfer Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 Yes, will previous maps be implemeted in the game? Also, the new maps; are they going to be bigger? better? better FPS playing on them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChangKhan Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 Originally posted by CanadianSurfer Yes, will previous maps be implemeted in the game? Also, the new maps; are they going to be bigger? better? better FPS playing on them? You should still be able to play previous maps, yes. Though the new game type will, obviously, require new maps. Will the new maps be bigger? Some, yes, others, probably about the same. Better? Sure. Better FPS? Well, if you have a better computer, sure, maybe. But if the map is bigger and better, chances are it won't run any faster than old maps did (unless, like I said, you have a better computer now or you turn down detail settings, etc.) Along these lines, I'm keeping in mind that a lot of people have made a lot of custom player and saber models and I want to make sure that those are still usable in the new game. Unfortunately, to optimize some things and to add certain features (and to make it more mod-friendly), we did make some changes to the model format. I want to try to make sure we release the details about what model-makers need to do to get their JK2 custom models to work in the new game (including, if necessary, releasing some tools a little early to make it so that modders can have their custom models ready-to-play by the time the game hits the shelves). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Badass Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 And wouldn't it be SAD if it were a little April Fool's joke??? Sorry for intruding, I just need to see what my registry name is here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gonkish Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 dear god yes. SO YES. I love you guys so much. The main thing I'm worried about is current JK2 singleplayer projects in the works. (notably my own, which is in its infancy, Sine Nomen's nar shaddaa level (which is amazing.. I love sine), and AKPiggott's equally fantastic Party Crasher. (What else would you expect from Piggott?! ) Will we be able to a.) port existing JK2 levels to "JK3", and b.) be able to either disable, or at least specify settings for, the player's character, thus allowing us greater control over storytelling? Oh, and just an offhand question, are you guys using an updated version of sof2map, a new compiler, or the vaunted (and my personal favorite) q3map2? (I'd assume you'd prefer an in-house binary, as it'd give you more control over.. well.. everything...) I must learn 3ds max, maya, or something, as well as become familiar with scripting languages... definitely going to need to get me a job in a little over a year, and I'm praying to the gaming gods it can be in the industry... *sigh* So much stuff, so little time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 Originally posted by AlzWisHum I thought I was talking with a fellow sw developer, I was only hoping it wasn't an exploited one. Well, probably not exploited, but lets just say it has been tough times in the telecom sector Originally posted by AlzWisHum I agree with you. The good thing most people always end up realizing it isn't really worth it, until they find their most productive state of mind, if you know what I mean. The younger programmers that usually stay up late in their works, are either the ones that are swept away by it's own ideas, or in the second sorry lifestyle you described, with their heads in how cozy their homes are. Now that my fiance and I have a house, there is less time for those late work nights Originally posted by AlzWisHum But we're not talking with you Raven guys, now back to work! Or there will be no muffins for you. Mmmm. Muffins!! Anyway, cheers so a fellow software developer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mariners2001 Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 jeez chang....get me all excited......do you expect the system requirements to be the same? also...will the bots be better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sithguides Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 In the new one, please include bot commands for the different types of gameplay such as CTF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeTRiTiC-iQ Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 Can we expect many more maps for exisiting gametypes, especially CTF? JK2 was sorely lacking with just four in CTF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSurfer Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 I want to try to make sure we release the details about what model-makers need to do to get their JK2 custom models to work in the new game (including, if necessary, releasing some tools a little early to make it so that modders can have their custom models ready-to-play by the time the game hits the shelves). That's excellent to hear, cause I really want to see some maps/mods available in JK3 that people have gotten accustomed to in JK2. I don't think this is an April Fools joke. The lead programmer just came on and answered many questions. Just cut that stuff out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLord60 Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 Here we go with that ledge-grabbing again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryudom Posted April 1, 2003 Share Posted April 1, 2003 i'd just like to mention that one of the main things i didn't like about JK2 was the lack of fists!!! JKIII NEEDS fists!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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