Prime Posted May 3, 2003 Share Posted May 3, 2003 Originally posted by HertogJan Yeah and that makes it strange EPI Obiwan and EPII Anakin already had their own lightsaber But do we know if they had made their own by that point or if those lightsabers were given to them by their masters? I didn't think that was known. If so, perhaps the lightsabers they used were not constructed by them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HertogJan Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 Originally posted by Prime But do we know if they had made their own by that point or if those lightsabers were given to them by their masters? I didn't think that was known. If so, perhaps the lightsabers they used were not constructed by them. But their lightsabers looked great! Can't be a normal, ordinary Padawan saber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro The Hutt Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 Not to mention that Anakin's saber looked incredibly similar to the one he used when he was Darth Vader, and similar to the one that Luke received from Obi-Wan, which was once his, so we can assume that the one he used in Epi.II was made by him as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 Originally posted by HertogJan But their lightsabers looked great! Can't be a normal, ordinary Padawan saber Maybe because thay had such great masters Originally posted by Pedro The Hutt Not to mention that Anakin's saber looked incredibly similar to the one he used when he was Darth Vader, and similar to the one that Luke received from Obi-Wan, which was once his, so we can assume that the one he used in Epi.II was made by him as well. Just to play Devil's advocate, perhaps Vader's saber looked as it did because of the way his saber was when he was a padawan. Perhaps he liked the design of the saber that was given to him, and he became comfortable with it. Then, when the time came to make his own, he used many elements of the design of his padawan lightsaber in his new one. Just a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emon Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 The tasks needed to become an "offical" Jedi Knight vary from person to person. Confronting your father doesn't make you a Jedi in every case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solbe M'ko Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 I'm kind of disappointed that they only included lightsaber styles already used before in the movies or games, something new would have been cool. -Sidenote- Darth Maul used sythetic crystals to build his lightstaff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted May 4, 2003 Share Posted May 4, 2003 Originally posted by Prime Maybe because thay had such great masters Just to play Devil's advocate, perhaps Vader's saber looked as it did because of the way his saber was when he was a padawan. Perhaps he liked the design of the saber that was given to him, and he became comfortable with it. Then, when the time came to make his own, he used many elements of the design of his padawan lightsaber in his new one. Just a thought Actually I read that Vader wanted to keep his design simple, but use black to go with the suit to strike fear into his enemies. So thats why his looks simple but still as some attraction to its design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iodius Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 Wouldn't one be unable to throw a saber staff? I hope so, that would even things up a bit, eh? I would say there we would be more power and precision in a single saber strike than in an akimbo style saber strike. Also, there would be a greater array of moves, both single and double handed that would be unavailable to the akimbo specialist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HertogJan Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 Originally posted by BrodieCadden Wouldn't one be unable to throw a saber staff? I hope so, that would even things up a bit, eh? I would say there we would be more power and precision in a single saber strike than in an akimbo style saber strike. Also, there would be a greater array of moves, both single and double handed that would be unavailable to the akimbo specialist. Yeah saber throw would be pretty much impossible with the lightstaff without slicing yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toa Tahu Posted May 5, 2003 Author Share Posted May 5, 2003 First of all,what's akimbo if it's not single or double saber style? Besides,you don't need to make a lightsaber to be a Jedi Knight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 Originally posted by HertogJan Yeah saber throw would be pretty much impossible with the lightstaff without slicing yourself Unless you throw it like a propeller. Vertical spin rather than horizontal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prime Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 Originally posted by Emon The tasks needed to become an "offical" Jedi Knight vary from person to person. Confronting your father doesn't make you a Jedi in every case... True. I think it is more along the lines of completing a task successfully on your own. That task is determined by the circumstances of your personal situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 Well,if anything, just use the Force to control how the saber goes. I mean in Metal Gear Solid and Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty/Substance, you could control a rocket (can't remember if its the stinger or nikita, I think its the nikita) so why not have a choice to control the lightstaff in the same manner. I mean its the Force. You can lift a fully submerged X-wing out of Degobah Swamp., so why not control the saber staff with a flick of the wrist(figuratively speaking) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HertogJan Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 Originally posted by Andy867 Well,if anything, just use the Force to control how the saber goes. I mean in Metal Gear Solid and Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty/Substance, you could control a rocket (can't remember if its the stinger or nikita, I think its the nikita) so why not have a choice to control the lightstaff in the same manner. I mean its the Force. You can lift a fully submerged X-wing out of Degobah Swamp., so why not control the saber staff with a flick of the wrist(figuratively speaking) Hey of course you're right, but for gameplay's sake, the sabers should be balanced!! Lightstaff has two blades (double damage ) and you can kick freely with the staff (very acrobatic)... it should have disadvantages too!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 Originally posted by HertogJan Hey of course you're right, but for gameplay's sake, the sabers should be balanced!! Lightstaff has two blades (double damage ) and you can kick freely with the staff (very acrobatic)... it should have disadvantages too!! There I agree - while you could implement lightstaff throw, perhaps by making it a shorter bladed weapon, unable to throw, and lacking a strong single-hit like red stance, it would balance. Of course you need a 'finisher' ... Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted May 5, 2003 Share Posted May 5, 2003 Well for balance issues, you could possibly throw the saber, but the damage is reduced, and the saber is made to be shorter to allow it to be thrown, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solbe M'ko Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 I fell that throwing the lightsaber should be removed from the game and secondary fire should become Maul-esque kicks. Saber throw should only be included as a separate force power that drains alot of SOMETHING. It's just too damn powerful. Besides, only Vader threw his saber in the movies and in the books it is only used in extreme situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy867 Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Well, isn't having your life at risk an extreme situation? but in all honesty, not everyone is really going to want saber throw once they see the new Force powers available. They will want to allocate more points to the new powers, and not the familiar powers. plus kicking will already be a part of the game with the saber staff. and like I said, the damage of the saber throw could be tuned down, as well as when throw, the saber will lose some of its length to compensate for balance issues . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solbe M'ko Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Saber throw should just have some kind of limiting factor, thats all. I don't know how to inplement a reasonable one, but you just shouldn't be able to clear a level using only saber throw, like in the Nar Shaddaa levels in JO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Personally, I don't have a problem with the way saber throw has been implemented in JO. I quite like it...and so I'd hate to see yet anothing thing nerfed in JA. If I had to do saber throw 20 times to kill an opponent, it would be utterly ridiculous. In SP, a few saber throws should take an opponent down...in MP, you can already block saber throw anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Originally posted by StormHammer Personally, I don't have a problem with the way saber throw has been implemented in JO. I quite like it...and so I'd hate to see yet anothing thing nerfed in JA. If I had to do saber throw 20 times to kill an opponent, it would be utterly ridiculous. In SP, a few saber throws should take an opponent down...in MP, you can already block saber throw anyway. I agree - there were some thoughts about moving it off of 2nd fire ... that I could abide. But it worked in a very 'realistic' way. Your defence would block it, but you'd take some hits. Non-saber wielders it was a 1-hit kill. All as it should be ... Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solbe M'ko Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Yeah, it should kill. But you just shouldn't be able to use it exclusively. I found that it made the game a lot harder if you try not to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txa1265 Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Originally posted by Solbe M'ko Yeah, it should kill. But you just shouldn't be able to use it exclusively. I found that it made the game a lot harder if you try not to use it. You can't use it exclusively - you take a force power hit for using it. If you use that you limit yourself in terms of Pull and Speed. And ... if you *do* choose that as your primary attack mode, isn't that just a way of personalizing the game to your own style? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormHammer Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Originally posted by txa1265 You can't use it exclusively - you take a force power hit for using it. If you use that you limit yourself in terms of Pull and Speed. And ... if you *do* choose that as your primary attack mode, isn't that just a way of personalizing the game to your own style? Mike I agree. Besides, not everyone wants the game to be harder to play. I think it's simply a matter of personal preference, and choices of play-style should not be removed, but expanded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solbe M'ko Posted May 6, 2003 Share Posted May 6, 2003 Yea, I guess so. Nevertheless, I think that there should be some factor that makes saber throw more rare. It only happens once in the movies and rarely in the books. For me, it just takes away from the elegance of the weapon. Plus, it doesn't slo-mo like the other saber attacks do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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