New Armor for Exar Kun

[eidospsogos]

your armor has been sent. here's hoping for a nice little link at the end of the thread soon.

[Ellderon]

I allways tought that Jedi/Sith don't wear armour - too restrictive...

 

I mean, the only thing that keeps Cath, Canderous and other non-Jedi on pair with Jedi charachers in the group IS their heavy armour ability (and kick-ass long range fighting)

[eidospsogos]

sigh. i suggest everyone stop stereotyping things into nice neat little categories. if a jedi decided to wear armor, then he could wear armor. whether it was common for them to or not.

 

it said in-game, that exar kun was rarely seen wiothout a suit of armor and this is true.

 

and since the first sith lord ever introduced was darth vader, and he was always armored as well, why is this a big surprise. and not to mention that there really are NO armor restricted force powers. this was merely an in-game balancing feature. did anyone see vader having any problems using force powers in armor.

 

anyway, if for some reason a jedi decided to wear armor, there would be absolutely nothing stopping him from doing so. there are no rules concerning this.

 

STOP applying in-game logic and reasoning to an already existent Star Wars Universe. Exar kun came around long before this game or any other RPG game rules for Star Wars.

 

if armor would help common soldiers stand up against jedi, (which outside of the game would be rather ineffective in doing so anyway) why would a jedi not want the extra benefits of having such armor as well. the Star Wars Universe outside this game, is NOT interested in a complete and total balancing of all of its character classes.

[Darth Stryke]

Many, these guys are gonna flip in episode three when we see a bad jedi using a blue lightsaber and there will be a yellow lightsaber as well as yoda fighting alongside wookiees. Not even to mention Sidious using his lightsaber...

 

And that is just the stuff that has been confirmed on the official site (I am a hyperspace member)

[eidospsogos]

good, i hope they continue to do away with the stereotypes. exar kun used a bright blue/white lightsaber. very similar to the blue special crystal from yavin.

[Jolinar]

The armor is pretty good, the only thing I don’t like about it (and most the armor in the game) is that pants and the sleeves. They just look odd to me; I think it has something to do with the strips. I call for new pants and sleeves! *cracks whip* Get to it!

 

Anyway I'm a fan of Exar Kun myself although I don’t know much about him. Also it does hint that Exar Kun may have used that Guardian of the Force crystal in it's description. Oh one question though, I have seen some conflicting information on Exar Kun. What style of lightsaber did he use?

 

I have read from two places he used a double bladed blue lightsaber but most of the pictures I have seen have him using ether a single bladed blue or green saber.

 

Jolinar

[Darth Stryke]

In fact, Kun had 3 sabres. His first was a single-bladed green lightsabre. Later, he built a single-bladed blue lightsabre, but then he made that into a double-bladed blue sabre. Originally his double-bladed blue sabre was the length of a normal single bladed sabre, but eventually it was made longer, almost like Darth Maul's double-bladed sabre, but just a few inches (approx) shorter.

[Muskrat]

Thats a bit misleading. he didn't "have 3 lightsabers" but over the course of his life owned 3. I don't know what happened to his first, but the second one he built into his double-bladed one.

 

Exar Kun, up until Episode 1 came along(and ruined everything), was the only Jedi/Dark Jedi to ever use a double bladed lightsaber.

 

The lightsaber had a few interesting characteristics. The blade lengths could be adjucted from 1/2 meter to 1 1/2 meters. It's intesity could also be modified. At it's highest setting it was like any other lightsaber, at it's lowest, it was a thin shaft of light that delivered no damage and could not block incomming lightsaber attacks. The use of this was to trick his opponents into over extending their attacks (by suddenly shortening the blade length or lowering it's intesity) and giving him the opportunity for a very deadly counter-attack

 

An iteresting fact, Ulic Qel-Droma (Qel-Droma's robes anyone?), a former diciple for Exar Kun, actually led the Jedi, and the Republic, to victory againt Exar Kun at his main fortess on Yavin 4. His lightsaber, and many other artifacts, were destroyed.

[eidospsogos]

just because he was the first notable character to use a double-bladed lighsaber does NOT mean he was the only one to ever use one. in fact it states that he constructed his double-bladed lightsaber as a tribute to sith masters from the past. he was DEFINITLEY NOT the first to use one, and certainly wasn't the last.

 

it is a little narrow-minded to assume that just because he made it famous he had been the only one to use it. the saber is listed as a rare weapon even among a weapon as rare as a saber to bein with. and it is most readily associated with the sith, which is why exar kun constructed his to begin with. so he was NOT the only person in the SW universe to use a lightstaff.

 

everything else you said is dead on, and completely accurate. but to assume that just because he was the first notable figure to use one, that he was the ONLY one to use one is flawed logic at its best.

[Muskrat]

Please give me a name. I assumed that only because I have NEVER, not even in passing, in all the SW books I've read, heard of anyone else using a double-bladed lightsaber. If I'm wrong, I'll gladly accept it.

 

you do have to admit though, that since episode 1, the double bladed lightsaber has been blown way out of proportion. It's way over used just because it's "cool"

[eidospsogos]

i will readily agree with you there. it is thrown around quite abit these days.

 

and though i cannot give you a name, that was my entire point. it was said that exar kun's construction of a lightstaff was in tribute to sith lords of the past. meaning it must have been a weapon used by at least one sith lord prior to his construction of the weapon.

 

but my point more than anything was that even though the SW universe is fictitious, it is a huge universe. so just because exar kun was the first historically notable figure to use a lightstaff, does not mean some more minor sith or jedi could NOT have used one before he did. it is merely a weapon. a rare one yes. but we have to be open enough here to realize that just because he made the weapon famous doesn't mean he was the first or only one to use it. as star wars.com refers to his wepaon this way:

 

He brandished a Sith lightsaber with twin blades that increased the potent weapon's lethality.

 

the idea was this, simply because there is only one person, though now two people, famous for using a weapon, does not mean they were the only ones to ever use it.

[Darth Stryke]

I would also like to point out that it is amusing that Episode 1 "ruined" the double bladed lightsabre concept when the fact is that Ray Park (Darth Maul) is a martial arts expert and that was one of the most well-done fights in film history as far as staff-weapon combat and the staff-style combat with the double saber in that film was just about perfect. As far as I am concered, because of that, in a pure sabre battle (No force), Darth Maul would destroy Kun. Now with the force, it would obviously be Kun destroying Maul.

[eidospsogos]

i hate to have to keep disagreeing with you, but i have to once again. i must seem like a real @ss by now.

 

exar kun is renowned for being the BEST swordsman the jedi have ever known. the tactics he used in the construction of his lightsaber, were well thought out tactics that added to his already proficient use of the weapon. as far as proficiency with a saber, and tactics and strategies used while wielding one, he was pretty much unsurpassed. muskrat pointed out several of these tactics above, and most important of all of them was the asdjustable blade length feint.

 

so, i will go as far as to say that were it to come down to hand-to-hand combat, a proficient martial artist could win. but i don't feel one should go as far as to say that because someone is a martial artist they could defeat someone who is a MASTER of their chosen weapon.

 

the other thing that is important here, is not to confuse the skills of an actor with the actual skill level of the character. the actor may have been a good martial artist, but obviously maul himself was not all that much an expert. as he was defeated by obi-wan kenobi. and while one must give obi-wan respect, he was easily bested by someone similarly focused on swordmanship. dooku was well known for his prowess as a swordsman as well.

[eidospsogos]

but as far as the original topic is concerned, wasn't someone saying they would host the files? if so, please post a link in this thread. and chances are i will copy it into the first post and give you credit and great thanks for allowing exar kun fans the stats his armor deserved.

[Jolinar]

Very interesting information about Exar Kun. *cough* New Pants & Sleeves *cough*

 

Jolinar

[eidospsogos]

yes, i would have to agree with you there. the stripes thing was about the only downside to the armor. though they look better than some of the stripes on some of the other armor.

 

however, and unfortunately, i have banned myself from skinning as it seems to distract me VERY much from my other graphic design related duties. a little modding here and there doesn't take away from the time or creative energy i need to be putting into other projects. that is why i chose to mod what was my favorite armor overall aesthetically from the game. because i am TOO detail oriented when it comes to these types of things, and i would spend weeks on one skin. so i picked one i liked and gave it good stats. trust me i would like to do skinning, but it's not good for my livelihood. someone else will have to step in there.

[Shimaon]

alright, sorry, but I seem to be having trouble connecting to my FTP server at the moment... I'll have the file up as soon as I can.

[eidospsogos]

hey, no need for apologies. as far as i see it you're doing me, and anyone interested in the armor a huge favor. i appreciate the hosting alot. hope everyone enjoys the armor.

[Darth Stryke]

Alrighty, 2 things. First off, you apparently know a lot more about Exar Kun than I do, so I will just agree with you on that. I was just giving my opinion. Secondly, I am going to see what I can do with reskinning the Kun armor. I was thinking either black pants and sleeves, or perhaps tan or brown. I need opinions on what you all think would be best.

[eidospsogos]

you are more than entitled to your opinion, whatever it may be. i was simply sharing mine. and maul had one small advantage with his saber: were it to be damaged he could use it as a single saber. as it was two sabers fused together. such was not the case with kun's. his double blades stemmed from a single crystal and power source, unlike the two separate ones that made up maul's saber.

 

as for skinning, my suggestion for armors would be this. his armor by the time of the war, was pretty much black gray and silver, with occasional green and purple accents. i know it sounds ugly, but in comics it doesn't look that bad. (but the purple and green are also the reason i liked the brown/neutral armor better) so, i would focus on using grays, blacks and silver if you wanted the sith exar armor. brown and tan for those who loved the guy, but still like the lightside.

 

and if you actually undertake this project, i would be more than willing to chip in and/or collaborate. i know i shouldn't, but it's just becoming too much fun.

 

if you go the sith armor route it might be fairly easy to start with the textures for the cinnagar war suit, or the environmental bastion armor for references, as they have colors similar to what you would be looking for.

[Darth Stryke]

Alright, for my first version, I simply made the "stripes" black and darkened the pants to dark-brown. It is still shiny and the armor itself retained its color. This is just a quick version to get an idea of how it would look like without the gaudy stripes and more of a "sithlord" feel. I Personally think if I did this, changed the armor color to silver, and added blue accents that it might look nice. But for now the armor is brownish-copper and I just darkened the pants and stripes.

 

Edit: Alright, here is the correct link. Sorry that the image is a little small.

 

http://stryke.fotopic.net/photo.php?id=2618621

[Shimaon]

Alrighty, sorry again for the delay, but heres the file:

Linky

[eidospsogos]

hey, stryke. got something for you. i'll email it to you. pop it in your override folder and load it up. it gives some pretty cool shader effects. and be sure to let me know what you think.

[Muskrat]

I hate to derg up old(ish) arguments, but, those sith lords fo the past may have used a double bladed lgihtsaber, there is no histpry on that (as far as I know). My assumtion came from this line in my SW Weapons dictionary: "Some unique objects are invariably associated with their owners." First line in the except about Kun's lightsaber. I'm sure the IDEA of a double-bladed lightsaber was readily out there, but no one took the time, or saw the nessesity to construct one. Same thing for Duel sabers. The idea was out theer, but there was never any need to carry around 2 lightsabers.

 

What are the comics about Exar Kun, I'm very interested in reading them.

 

Stryke - I doubt Maul (or the actor who played him) woudl win against Kun. he was an excelent tactician (you gotta be to almost wipe out the Republic AND the jedi), and no doubt this played a large role in how he fought. He could be considered one of the the best swordsman in the SW history.

[eidospsogos]

the comics are as follows:

 

Tales of the Jedi: Dark Lords of the Sith #1-6

 

 

Tales of the Jedi: The Sith War #1-6

 

the OFFICIAL Star Wars website, http://www.starwars.com says this:

 

found at:

 

http://www.starwars.com/databank/technology/sithlightsaber/?id=eu

 

As the Jedi had not faced the Sith for centuries, lightsaber dueling had become a lost art.

To focus their training and their skill, Jedi still partake in practice duels and sparring

contests, but to face an actual saber-wielding opponent was not something any Jedi expected

before the Naboo crisis. In the past, the double-ended lightsaber was reserved only for training

purposes.

 

Unlike the Jedi, who use natural crystals mined from such worlds as Ossus in the Adega system,

the Sith prefer synthetic crystals to generate their lightsaber blades. While the crystals are

being forged in a blazing furnace, it is not uncommon for a Sith to reach out with the Force and

manipulate the process, focusing his hatred for the Jedi to increase the potency of the crystals.

 

Millennia ago, the Sith Lord Exar Kun fashioned a modified lightsaber with two blades. During the

events of the Great Sith War, Kun modified his existing weapon to increase its lethality. Customized

controls allowed him to extend the length of each blade from half a meter to one-and-a-half meters.

 

and this:

 

found at:

 

http://www.starwars.com/databank/technology/sithlightsaber/

 

The lightsaber is the weapon of the Jedi, but it is also used by the evil Sith. The deadly Darth Maul

used a double-ended blade as his primary weapon. In his skilled hands, the swinging blade becomes an

arc of destructive energy, capable of cutting anything it comes into contact with. The Sith lightsaber

is basically two lightsabers end-to-end. It can be selectively used with only one end ignited.

 

so i would think those two definitions make it quite clear that more people than exar kun had used the lightstaff.

 

but just in case that's not good enough, here's one more:

(from swe.starwarsclub.org History of the Darkside Part 4)

 

found at:

 

http://swe.starwarsclub.org/darkjedi/history4.htm

 

Master and student it used to be and now it was Master of the Light versus Dark Lord of the Sith. The two fought. Exar Kun with his lightsaber and Vodo Siosk-Baas with his wooden staff. Vodo fought with all of the combined might of the Jedi behind him. Exar Kun fought with all of the dark treachery of the Sith on his side. Exar Kun had made some modifications to his lightsaber since the two had last fought some six months ago. Exar Kun had uncovered the dark ways of Sith weaponry. Exar Kun had made a double-bladed lightsaber. Lightstaff versus Jedi staff. Vodo Siosk-Baas, Jedi Master to hundreds of Jedi, teacher to countless Jedi, teacher to Exar Kun, was gone.

 

i think that all makes it very clear that the technology existed before kun, and that he was not the first nor the last to use it.