My feedback on Battlegrounds

[Guest ShinPaul]

I just finished reading GameSpot's preview of Battlegrounds, and I have to admit that I'm pretty excited to get my hands on a copy. Besides, it'll be nice to play something OTHER than EverQuest for a while. Anyway, I did see something that puzzled me, and I was hoping that I could get some input and maybe information from my peers and maybe even some developers.

 

I was going over the list of factions, and I noticed that one of the factions was "Wookie". Wookie? I'm sorry, but I don't recall the Wookies having much technology at all, and not even much of an army. In fact, I remember that the Empire ran over the civilization pretty easily and made them into slaves (and I believe that most of them are still enslaved as of SW:ANH). They have no capitol ships, and no mechs that I've seen mentioned. I understand that the Gungans are silmilar in this respect (being relatively primitive), but we've seen their army in action, and have an idea of their technology and ability.

 

Honestly, I'm a little confused as to why the Wookies were chosen over a more predominant faction, such as the Hutts, for example. After all, except for Chewbacca, we really know very little about Wookies on the whole; we actually know more about Gungans and their society (as far as the movies go, at least). And with the key role the Hutts have played throughout the series, I would assume they would be a logical choice (although they are criminals, and probably would rather stay out of a large-scale conflict).

 

Does anyone else have any ideas or feedback?

 

-Shinny

[Guest Boba Rhett]

1. The Wookies and the Gungans are both highly technologically advanced. They just choose to use more natural things.

 

2. The Empire tried numerous times to invade Kashyyk, (sp?) the Wookies homeword but everytime, they were humiliated. They eventually had to hire the trandoshans to make, "slaves runs" and capture wookies.

 

3. The hutts don't really do their own fighting. They tend to hire people to fight for them.

 

4. I think that both the wookies and the Gungans make good civs. I've always wanted to see somes wookies kick butt!

[Guest ShinPaul]

Okay, then, the information I had on the Wookie/Empire conflict was different. I'm not suprised, though... there are many, many stories and rumors about the SW universe out there, so I'm sure I got that information and just stuck with it.

 

About the Wookie/Gungan technologies... I know they are advanced, but I was comparing them to civilizations that rely more heavily on technology than either of them do. Since other civs focus more on technology, I figured it might be more "advanced" as it were. That was the basis for my comparison in any case, even if it was a bit flawed. But as I said, we as fans have had very limited interaction with Wookies as a race and culture, so I found their inclusion a bit of a surprise.

 

And yeah, the Hutts don't really like to get their hands dirty, so I wouldn't figure they'd make the best civ choice. It was just the first thing I thought of since like I said before, they were featured so often in the series; in fact, they're the only faction in all four movies. In any case, I'm not saying I'm against having Wookies in Battlegrounds. In fact, I'm looking forward to learning more about them on the whole. It was just a mild surprise, and somthing I wanted to ask about. Personally, I want to find out more about the Gungans... I'm planning to play them.

 

Thanks for writing me back so quick, Rhett. That was very cool. If there's anything else you'd like to add, I'd love to hear it.

 

-Shinny

[Guest Darth G]

i exactly agree with Boba Rhett...

 

the hutts always had hired help, their whole life would also involve with the criminal undeworld, not so much as to a civ.

[Guest porkins14]

what makes anyone think the hutts are technologically advanced?

[Guest dr_death]

i think it was gaber who said something like he wanted to use the wookies because they can choose what type of units they used etc (that wasnt a quote but that is what he basically said)

[Guest porkins14]

Umm, Hutts the only race in all four movies?? Wookies are in all 4. There are wookie senators in the senate chamber. You really do need to research from now on before you post. Furthermore there were no hutts in empire strikes back or in star wars (except for special edition). Please from now on research before you post.

[Guest WC_heavyarms]

wookie=chewie

[Guest dr_death]

porki, must everyone know the fine detailes of the films to be able to post hear????

[Guest porkins14]

Originally posted by dr_death

porki, must everyone know the fine detailes of the films to be able to post hear????

 

 

No not at all, but if they are going to make negative comments towards the game many of us are looking forward to, they shoud at least know a little bit. And just trying to prove points by spitting out stuff that isnt true (Hutts being in all movies), gets annoying after awhile

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Umm, when was he negative about the game?

[Guest Admiral Thrawn]

He wasn't, the guy flaming him is just a little sensitive.

[Guest ShinPaul]

I do my research Porki, and when I said "Hutts" I was speaking about the Hutts in a general sense... i.e. as a "civ". I'm not advocating having Hutts themselves marching across the battlefield (slithering?). When I say "Hutts", I'm referring to the crimelords that we all know and love from all four movies. Of all the factions in the SW universe, only the "Hutts" have had a strong presence in all four... true, this point is argueable considering in Empire, the presence I'm talking about is just Boba Fett... but the fact is that he worked for Jabba, a crime lord. And just because Wookies make a split second cameo in Menace, doesn't suddenly mean they are prodominately displayed in all four movies. Heck, E.T. was in Meance, but I wouldn't exactly put them with their Reese's Pieces in Battlegrounds. I also don't recall being negative about the game. I believe I posted a question that was very well answered by Rhett, without having to resort to a flame.

 

You know what gets REALLY annoying, Porki? People who think they can say whatever disparaging comments they want and hide behind the anonymity of the internet. I think you were being a tad too picky, son. Why don't you read through others' posts and try to understand them before jumping all over them in cyberspace? Sound like a deal?

 

dr_death: What you said makes sense... they would have complete control over the design and development of the Wookie technology and race, which is a pretty exciting concept in and of itself.

 

-Shinny

[Guest porkins14]

Originally posted by ShinPaul

You know what gets REALLY annoying, Porki? People who think they can say whatever disparaging comments they want and hide behind the anonymity of the internet. I think you were being a tad too picky, son. Why don't you read through others' posts and try to understand them before jumping all over them in cyberspace? Sound like a deal?

 

-Shinny

 

Please help me, I'm confused. Hide in behind the anonymity?? Arent we all doing that?? if you would like to arrange a "get together" I am all for it. until then, we will all continue to hide behind our names, we have no other choice. I wasnt being picky, I am jsut sick of people saying stuff without thinking. Had you read about the Star wars universe, you would find that the the Wookies are WAY WAY WAY more technologically advanced then the Hutts. And then, you go ahead and throw in a false statement like the Hutts being in all 4 star wars movies when taht isnt even true. in fact, its the Wookies that have been represented in all 4 movies!!!! Thats what bothered me, not being picky, i just have a different point of view "son". My comments were no more "disparaging" then yours, I just backed mine up with facts "son". Quit calling people son, you sound extremely arrogant.

 

PS. And by the way, you consider Boba Fett a representative of Jabba the Hutt??? I dont think many will agree with you on that. After the average person sees empire stikes back, they have no recollection of jabba the hutt, as he isnt even in the movie, and he for sure isnt in the original A New Hope (Actually, he was going to be a fat italian guy in it). Your argument is very weak man

[Guest porkins14]

By the way, Rhett, you gonna let that guy call me sensitive??? Strange, I told a guy that the strategy he described made it look like he sucked and you deleted it stating "no need for that here". So let me get this straight, you can call people sensitive, but listening to their ridiculous strategy and saying "sounds like either you kinda suck or the people you are playing kinda suck" is unnacceptable?? I dont understand. C'mon Rhett, clean up the boards man, there's no need for all this hatred here is there??

[Guest DarkTrooper]

i know u guyz are goin to flame me for being a smartass and king of the obvios but geuss whoelse is in all of the movies: Humans. *listens to the peoples reactions* " i cant belive someone actually said that" well i did so F !!!! off

[Guest porkins14]

huh?

[Dvlos]

Let's clarify a few things. First of all. The huts could be a good CIV, they were represented in EP1 as Outer Rim crime lords, Captain Tanaka said "That planet is controlled by the Hutts". Obviously, in the prequel days the Hutts were a strong force, even if you only see them in Ep1, then Ep4 (he was intended to be there so let's count that), and Ep6.

 

Bobba Fett would be ridiculous to add into the Hutt civ because they are Mandalorian. Now that would have been a cool civ. Let's not rule out the possibilities of Expansions for this SW:GB universe people. If we help sell the game good, we may have more civs/units/techs wrapped in a nice new add-on in the future, right?

 

Wookies are highly advanced, Chewbacca was very adept at fixing droids, ships, and basically anything mechanical. Home boy had himself a nice bowcaster to take out foolios with. According to other novels, Kashyyyk, was not taken over by the Empire, although they did invade and capture many as slave laborers. The tree dwelling species was able to hold off the Empires ground forces. Chewie himself was captured and rescued by Han Solo, therefore his life debt to him. Their incredible size and strength IMO, make them a good candidate for this game. I already look forward to making a nice army of 50 Wookie Berserkers and Chewies with bowcasters to roam the field tearing up nerdy Imperials in white porcelain.

 

Personally I would have also loved to seen Admiral Ackbar's people in this, with their B-wings and giant celestial starships, they could be the anti-thesis of the gungans-who in my opinion seem like the odd-ball in the group.

 

It took the combined forces of the Gungans and Naboo to take out the TF not one or the other. Gungans had no flying vessels, etc. Then again its just a game you have to I guess fill in the gaps somehow. On a postive note having a huge ass FAMBDA monstrosity shielding all your troops as you advance into an enemy base has to be a force to reckon with.

 

IN ANY CASE TWO WEEKS IS TO LONG TO WAIT FOR THIS GAME!!!!!!

[Guest ShinPaul]

I did think. Unlike you, I thought before I posted. Once again, Rhett did an excellent job of showing me where I was wrong in my original assessment of Wookies, and I understood that fact long before you posted. I even eluded to this fact long beforehand in the thread. Once again, I don't believe you read my second post very well, because I did mention that I was misinformed on the Wookies on the whole. Also, Boba IS a representative of Jabba in Empire, because last time I checked, he was under Jabba's employ... just like any employee is a representative of their employer. As for my arguement being weak, I said it was earlier, when I specifically said, and I quote, "Of all the factions in the SW universe, only the "Hutts" have had a strong presence in all four... true, this point is argueable considering in Empire, the presence I'm talking about is just Boba Fett... but the fact is that he worked for Jabba, a crime lord.". I believe in that very statement I said the point was arguable and even now I'm still flexable on the whole thing. Once again it seems you're picking out what you want to argue with and not reading the entire statement. Answer me this: Were or were not the crime lords represented in all three movies? Yes or no?

 

And yes, we are all hiding behind anonymity in the web. However, what we do with that anonymity is what makes the difference. I came here to ask a question, which once again was well-answered. YOU came to this thread not to provide me with useful information, but to beef up your own ego and immediately flame me without even trying to understand what I was trying to say. You seem to think you are the wealth of knowledge in the SW universe, which you very well may be, but if you and I share a common interest, why must you feel the need to attack a post of mine? You seem to know what you're talking about, so why didn't you explain to me how I was wrong and allow me to sort out the details? I think your response could have been considerably more diplomatic. And as for sounding sensative, you most certainly do, and your reactions thus far have verified that. You realize that you are the only person on this thread who felt I was attacking the game or the Wookies? I simply asked a question (as I have explained before), which was answered (as I explained before) and to which you responded with a flame. And as for diparaging comments, nothing I have said has not been the truth. The only person here who is making judgements and comments based on preceived information is you. And finally, as for calling you "son", I shouldn't have resorted to that. But you have most certainly not behaved much better than a child, and should probably try to keep you emotions in check and engage in a rational conversation rather than immediately mud-slinging someone you don't agree with. My reaction was simply in self defense... I didn't attack you personally when I made the original post, although one might think I did, judging by your first post.

 

Look, I'm not here to fight. My first post wasn't to fight with anyone. I just ASKED A QUESTION. If you don't agree with one of my comments, all I ask is that you tell me why without resorting to a flame. You and I have a common interest that we both love - Star Wars - and are both eagerly awaiting a game that will be out soon. If you want to continue to fight here, I'll oblidge, but I think that the two of us can get along much better than this and perhaps trade information and share stories about our common hobby.

 

Let's just call a truce, please.

 

-Shinny

[Guest porkins14]

I agree, a truce it is. however, let me point out that Boba was called in by the empire and was actually employed by the empire "I want them alive, and no disintegrations". Not until Return of the Jedi do we see him working for Jabba. Sorry if you thought I flamed, but sometimes people post here without knowing what they are talking about. I think the Wookies are a great civ, you obviously dont. Had I only seen the movie, I might wonder why they are a civ, but after reading most books, it is very clear why. I just thought you hadn't taken that into account. I never flamed, I still believe I was right about the Hutts, so you guys can call that flaming all you want, but i still believe i am right about that. And I dont come here to boost my ego, what does this game being good have to do with my ego?? i dont work for lucasarts, so how does it make me better. I just like the game and you do have to admit that a lot of people flame for no reason and rip on the game. I mean some people came in here and complained without ever playing multiplayer!!! They make me very mad and probably to ready to pounce on guys like you who have legitimate questions about the game. So i probably overreacted about the wookie thing, but i do think i was right about the hutt thing

[Guest porkins14]

To answer your question:

 

Yes they were represented in all three. However, in the first one by Greedo (one of the bigger sorry asses in the films), and in the second by Boba Fett. The wookies were clearly much more predominent in the films. Thats clear

[Guest ShinPaul]

Thanks for taking the truce, Porki. I didn't want to argue, and I'm sorry if I came off arrogant or I said anything that upset you. Yes, you were right all along on the Hutt thing. I wish I had read more of the expanded universe, which I might do soon with Battlegrounds and Galaxies coming out soon. Well, from now on if I say something dumb, you'll be there to keep me straight, right?

 

Otherwise, only a couple weeks to go until Battlegrounds, and I can't wait. Looking forward to playing the Rebels and the Gungans. LOL!!

 

-Shinny

[Guest porkins14]

Looking forward to Naboo and gungans over here!

[Guest isthisfor_real]

"Had I only seen the movie, I might wonder why they are a civ, but after reading most books, it is very clear why."

 

Hook me up with them most books porky I will be glad to read them, if they tell me why it is very clear.

 

From the books I read its not as "very clear" . They live on enormous trees in a dangerous world and during the Empire reign they hide where they could not be found.

 

So porky what books did you read and why did they tell you it would be very clear?

[Guest porkins14]

Originally posted by isthisfor_real

 

So porky what books did you read and why did they tell you it would be very clear?

 

Are you honestly asking this for help or are you just gonna follow me around from post to post and flame me?? Just curious. Anyway, the wookies were invaded many times by the empire and held them off every single time. Their society is high in the trees as you mentioned, and Luke, Han, and the rest of the boys are always in shock when they visit there, about how technologically advanced the wooks are.

 

PS. If you are just following me around to shoot down everything I say then feel free. I know shinpaul has already "made nice" with me, so I am confused why you are just trying to stir things up again.