Guest Lt Cracken Posted November 20, 1999 Share Posted November 20, 1999 I believe that the human brain/mind is a wonderful, amazing thing. Amazing thing is, that when we are children, we learn many of the thing we know, develop certain functions, like speech, and are HEAVELY influenced on the ENVIORMENT AROUND US!! Now, I grew up in a nice enviorment, untill about the 3rd grade. then things got rather nasty at school. Picked on, laughed at, ect. I also watched alot of T.V. I first started playing FPS at the age of 9 or 10. I also had the fact that killing was wrong FIRMLY PLANTED INTO MY SKULL AT THE AGE OF 5 YEARS, AND CONTINUALLY AFTER!!! Currently, I enjoy sitting infront of my PC, putting in Half-Life, and blasting those MP's and aliens away. I am also STILL picked on, though it is SEVERLY less harsh then it was in Elementary school. Does this mean I will kill? no, I KNOW that if I was faced in that situation, I'd be in the military. ONLY in the military. Do I plan to get into the military? NO. Now, this is a classic case of some one that WOULD go on a rampage, but will I? NO!! why? He has all the signs!! I'll tell ya why. GOOD PARENTING!!! I THANK my parents, and am eternally indebted to them (though sometimes I don't act like it....) that they had didn't slack off from teaching me right from wrong. Now, if those rampage kids had gotten the correct parenting when they were kids, and counsling, and there parents saw the signs, I bet you, I bet you that that would have never happend. I bet ya. ------------------ Even if you dodge this, Kakarotto, THIS PLANET'S GOING UP IN SMOKE!! Vegeta, DragonBall Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Conor Posted November 20, 1999 Share Posted November 20, 1999 Here is my view on abortion... It is cold-blooded murder, unacceptable in any shape or form and can only be tolerated when it is certain the mother will die if she has the baby, and then it is still a tradgedy. To put it simply, no one who supports abortion is any better than a Nazi. I will not retract that, I will not apologize. There is no excuse for killing an innocent human being, and babies are the most innocent of all humans. Any one who believes the unborn human is not a baby is lying to himself. He is wrong, period. There can be no compromise, no 'choice' on this issue. The abortion holocaust is the biggest the human race has yet to implement. Satan gloats in triumph for every innocent baby that is ripped limb from limb with the abortionists vacuum, or partially born and then getting its brain sucked out. Abortion is the worst thing the human race has yet to conceive. I don't care what anybody else says, murdering babies cannot be allowed, and those who run the industry will pay when they meet God. ------------------ Right is right even if nobody is doing it, and wrong is wrong even if everybody is doing it. -St. Augustine [This message has been edited by Conor (edited November 19, 1999).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Imladil Posted November 21, 1999 Share Posted November 21, 1999 Abortion! Oh, no, no, no...! (Closes S-foils, pulls nose up and floors the mother.) Outta here! Just discussing the killing of others in matters of self defense, I think that I can...and it has nothing to do with video games, or even my US Marine training. I could make the decision to kill and do so without hesitation, because I trust my own judgement. Now, it would be easy to soften that up by saying that I would only do it under such and such conditions...but I recognize that making such a decision (weighing a human life) is one of the most difficult choices one can make, and I certainly don't want to be occupying my mind with that when my life or the lives of others are in danger. It HAS to be a snap judgement--there is no other way. The door flies open, and a gunman charges into your living room. You happen to have your gun in hand, loaded...which means that you have one, maybe two seconds to point the gun and fire. You simply fire the gun, and hope that the individual charging in isn't other than an what he seems. You see...? Time to decide versus time to act--this is the dilemma the police are constantly facing. I trust my judgement because I am healthy (sane) and pay very close attention to my own conscience. Most people can...those who can't are the people who should not own weapons...the mentally ill, criminals, etc. They are also the people who should not be playing first person killer videogames. In my humble opinion, that is. NOTE: The games I'm talking about here are the ones where the screen is the character's point of view, and there is a gun or crosshairs that you point and shoot at a human figure of some kind. I can't stress enough that my concern is because of the repetitive muscle-memory training that takes place, not the game's inherent violence. ------------------ "The entire universe is simply the fractal chaos boundary between intersecting domains of high and low energy." --Imladil the Predator "Ernie is my second cousin (E=MC2)" --Little Jimmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Little Vader Posted November 21, 1999 Share Posted November 21, 1999 Guys, the real point here is that we all have so many opinions of our own on this topic, that it would be inplausible to create a fair way to deal with this problem. Humans always disagree, and until we all agree on something, its useless to make any restrictions or bans. As far as Rogue Spear goes, I don't know what to think. There is hardly any gore in it, but, it is very realistic. Half-Life I think is an excellent game in some areas (besides TFC) like the fact that there is a content restrictor option. I'm not saying that Half-Life is the game of the angels, but its better than others. The biggest change we can make in gaming violence is not to allow our kids and teens to play games rated "Mature" or even "Teen". Because, if our kids and teens are the future killers, whan we know who to point the finger at. Not the developers, not the publishers, not the ads, but us! ------------------ SBD- Silent but Deadly LAL= Loud & Lethal HBU= Heard but Ignored www.jokes.com www.avault.com www.ign.com www.gamesages.com www.jokeindex.com www.vgf.net/users/rct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shootist Posted November 22, 1999 Share Posted November 22, 1999 First, I don't want to offend any of you. I just have a few questions. I'm retired military. I've been in a few "hot" situations. Trust me, no matter what you're trained to do, when you get shot at or something goes BOOM, your FIRST instinct is to hit the ground in a fetal position. Then, and only then, do you begin to assess the situation and respond. Even with extensive training (mostly in real time, NOT computer generated) your first reaction is to do WHATEVER it takes to get out ALIVE! @#$@#$ what your military objectives are. If you happen to achieve it...glory? Where is the glory if your pals are goo? None. As far as the disturbed people who have been actually carrying out these cowardly attacks, they have never seen what a real M-16 or AK-47 do to the human body. They do not have military backgrounds, nor would the military accept them. Perhaps the point about putting the cross-hairs on a subject and poking a button has validity. I strongly believe that if the game industry were to put in all the horrible sights, sickning sounds, skin-bubbling smells and total confusion of a real fire fight, people would play once and be totally sick and never que up a disc again. The line between Playing something and Doing something, in my opinion, drawn somewhere in our life by those in positions of respect when we are young. That could be our parents, teachers, clergy, coaches, peers, television et al ad nauseum... This is just MY opinion. I have fought to reserve my right to state it and will gladly fight again for you to have and state yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest R.A.V.E.N. Posted November 22, 1999 Share Posted November 22, 1999 Well said Shootist. ------------------ Signature? I dont need no stinkin signature! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Imladil Posted November 22, 1999 Share Posted November 22, 1999 That's it, exactly! The horror of the real thing (which I haven't and I pray will never see) is something these random killers know absolutely NOTHING about. Up until the moment that first bullet hits, they still think they're on teevee. They think that killing is like the games...glory, music and fireworks. Only now there's no music, no credits, someone's dead and it's too late to turn back now. Most of us can distinguish between fantasy and reality. Unfortunately...some cannot, and in this day and age where handguns are easily available to gradeschool kids, those who want to be the Terminator can follow their diseased fantasies all the way to horrible reality! When I was a kid, I was a real wimp when it came to horror movies. Gore, screaming, knives...I just didn't want any part of them. When I went through my USMC training as a field corpsman, I saw a simple fifteen minute film of footage taken from field hospitals in Viet Nam that completely changed my attitude. Now, I watch Starship Troopers and Saving Private Ryan, other films the like of which I never would have been able to stomache before...and they do not faze me one bit. The memory of what the real thing looked like has been enough to cure me forever. It's that horrible. Salutes to Shootist. Hell, to anyone who's been through that in real life. ------------------ "The entire universe is simply the fractal chaos boundary between intersecting domains of high and low energy." --Imladil the Predator "Ernie is my second cousin (E=MC2)" --Little Jimmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fondas Posted November 22, 1999 Share Posted November 22, 1999 Well said Shootist ! That is exactly what I was talking about! Even though I haven't seen real action, which I trully hope not to, I've taken part in several drills with live ammunition. Even though those bullets hadn't had my name written on it, the whistling sound of a bullet passing close to you is frightening ! I repeat : There is no video game that can prepear a <u>sane</u> person for the real thing ! There is no save/load option, no invulnerability, no quad damage and most of all , NO medi kits! ------------------ "So be it ...Jedi" - Emperor Palpatine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lt Cracken Posted November 23, 1999 Share Posted November 23, 1999 ...WHich many kids may think. Kids who are not taught the difference between reality and games,tv,movies, can and may belive the "glory" of killing, or the music, lights, ect. THAT is what worries me about our youth. Are our parents too busy tring to make money to keep a house, food, ect to teach us right from wrong? Some are. Well, how do we fix that? 1)Lower taxes. Then parents/adults don't have to work so hard to make the $$ it takes to live. 2)Cut inflation. It's hard, but it can be done. 3)Reteach adults HOW to be parents Unforutnatly, most-some parents USE t.v and games as a baby-sitter, rather than pay there children any mind, and there's the problem. other parents have no will power and juust turn there kids into spoiled brats. we need parenting classes now, and for the future. ------------------ Even if you dodge this, Kakarotto, THIS PLANET'S GOING UP IN SMOKE!! Vegeta, DragonBall Z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shootist Posted November 23, 1999 Share Posted November 23, 1999 Howdy folks, the Soap Box Shootist strikes again. Lt. C. nice thought, however, sometimes throwing more money at a problem just feeds the fire. I applaud your third suggestion, there are too many emotional children raising kids today. I promise to leave the podium to you folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Conor Posted November 23, 1999 Share Posted November 23, 1999 What really shocked me one time is I was wathcing 'America's Most Wanted' and they had this special segment on teen violence. They got a bunch of kids (mostly early teens) that played violent first person videogames (mostly goldeneye) and showed them what bullets actually do to people. the results were amazing. Most of them didn't even know bullets ripped huge bleeding wounds upon exiting. They honestly had no idea of real life violence. I wouldn't be surprised if some of them thought they couldn't be killed! I've always been pretty certain of what war looks like, if not the emotional aspect, but these kids knew nothing. How are people supposed to know the difference between games and reality if they don't know what reality is in the first place? ------------------ Right is right even if nobody is doing it, and wrong is wrong even if everybody is doing it. -St. Augustine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Imladil Posted November 23, 1999 Share Posted November 23, 1999 Well, speaking just for myself, I keep the distinction between games and reality as loose as possible! I mean, this is reality, where we're really talking about a game...but I'm certainly playing games, and the game we're talking about has just as much physical reality as this whole forum does. I am totally confused. Which me is real? ------------------ "The entire universe is simply the fractal chaos boundary between intersecting domains of high and low energy." --Imladil the Fortunate "You can lead a horse to water, but you have to be strong and determined if you want to drown that sucker." --Little Jimmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lt Cracken Posted November 23, 1999 Share Posted November 23, 1999 Good point. Which personality is the real one? HERE, I'm very out going, social, ect. But in R/L, I'm kinda quiet, not as crazy as I'm am here. I think this is because of prior experiences with society, (Not very nice ones, either) and that in R/L, I'm not very comfortable around large crowds of people. It's a natural dis-trust for others, I guess. But here, I'm very open. probably because.. 1) I'm not judged on how I look. (Like my generation does) 2) You all never shunnened me, like certain people I know.. *cough*my generation*cough* 3) You where always accepting my ideas, and likes, and dislikes. Un-like a certain generation I know... *sniff* THANK YOU!! Ahem, anyways...... uh..... BARGH!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cz24 Posted November 24, 1999 Share Posted November 24, 1999 Well....I think that mature kids(like me) can play alittle system shock or Half - life. Yknow the kids who really know how horrible anddisgusting war really is. Otherwise,shouldnot play FPS. Heck, I'm a kid mself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Imladil Posted November 24, 1999 Share Posted November 24, 1999 I'll let you in on a little secret, cz24...you never really do stop being a kid. At least, not if you're going to be happy in life... I never totally bought the violence in/violence out theory of bad teevee influence. I mean, the Bugs Bunny and Roadrunner cartoons I watched when I was a kid were WORSE than the violence we're talking about on video games, because they make the violence funny (which, of course, eliminates the suffering aspect)...yet I've never been violent in my whole life. --On people, that is! I do smack things around in the backyard with swords, but I think that kind of release is healthy instead of bad. Today's world is so stressful on us arboreal primates that it triggers our bodily stress reactions. If we don't do something with that excess energy, it goes right in between your shoulderblades and makes your back crumple. So...next time life has you by the...well, collar, try hanging an old bike frame from a tree in the backyard and whack it with a stick. You'll feel better, no matter how old you are! ------------------ "The entire universe is simply the fractal chaos boundary between intersecting domains of high and low energy." --Imladil the Fortunate "You can lead a horse to water, but you have to be strong and determined if you want to drown that sucker." --Little Jimmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Little Vader Posted November 29, 1999 Share Posted November 29, 1999 Hari Kari- Cheat on AOE. ------------------ "And, your point is..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Little Vader Posted November 30, 1999 Share Posted November 30, 1999 I just sent a brief (400 word) letter to PC Gamer about Gaming Violence and you guys' opinions on it. Read PC Gamer this month and see if my letter made it. I used small tidbits from two posts. ------------------ "The greater of the two powers relies on the servent and the master. The master is never the true master, but a servent of himself." -Zork on The Bible "In life, there are no dress rehersals and no practices. You just get out there and hope for the best, because life is not a practice, but the real thing ." -Zork on Confidence "No, I did not have an 'inappropriate' relationship with Monica Lewinski." -Zork on Honesty "Humans are agressive due to the fact that zing + zang= ying+ yang." Zork on Philosphy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Little Vader Posted December 1, 1999 Share Posted December 1, 1999 I'm going to delete this topic... everyone OK with that? ------------------ "The Bible can be a noun or an abreviation. (B)asic (I)nfo (B)efore (L)eaving (E) arth" "-Zork on The Bible "Confidence is a two-way sort of deal. If you are confident you will do well and you don't, you'll be regretful. If you're confident you'll do well and you do, then where's the suprise? But if you're negative about it, and you do not do well, you'll know that it was coming, and if you're negative and you do do well, you'll be excited!' -Zork on Confidence "No, I didn't break the lamp. I was at Timmy's House. Huh? Oh yeah, Timmy moved... That's right. Well, I was at Ryan's house. -Zork on Honesty "The world is nothing but a giant round soccer ball, just wating, waiting, to explode. Then, out of the blue, it will EXPLODE!" Zork on Philosphy "I'm 20% me, 20% Mom, 21% Dad, 8% Mike Tyson, and 30% Mr. Personality. Umm, where's the other 1%? Zork on Math Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Little Satan Posted December 1, 1999 Share Posted December 1, 1999 If you delete this intelligent conversation, you will be spending time with ME, buddy! ------------------ "Imladil made me do it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Little Priest Posted December 1, 1999 Share Posted December 1, 1999 How DARE you use my name (and using it in VAIN... tsk tsk ) That is a deadly SIN. 'Fess up right away, or I'll have to DARN YOU TO HECK! ------------------ CONFESS UP... NOW! http:// www.avault.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Imladil Posted December 2, 1999 Share Posted December 2, 1999 (Psst...Raven: Little Satan is an alternate personality of my own. Shhh...) Ahem. Heck away, darn. Over? ------------------ "The entire universe is simply the fractal chaos boundary between intersecting domains of high and low energy." --Imladil the Noisy "What does this button--?" SCHOOOMP! --Little Jimmy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Little Vader Posted December 2, 1999 Share Posted December 2, 1999 I was going to delete this since nobody's posting; What's the use? ----------------------------- Little Priest: NO COMMENT. ------------------ "If Jesus was one of the kings of Heaven, who was the queen?" -Zork on The Bible "Be all that you can be... Well, not that anybody here can actually do something. -Zork on Confidence "If you think somebody is weird, its better to dismiss the thought. Because, if you think that I'm weird, you must be weird yourself. -Zork on Weirdos "Anybody home?" -Zork on Politics "There must be a median between Heaven and Hell... thus Earth -Zork on Philosophy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lujayne Posted December 2, 1999 Share Posted December 2, 1999 If anyone but a mod or admin deletes a topic, there will be severe repercussions. --L. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shootist Posted December 2, 1999 Share Posted December 2, 1999 Little V. Which posts did you include in your letter to PCG? I'm sure you had the wisdom to keep them in context... I'm not vain enough to think you'd use my blurb, just curious. Don't close this thread, I think it wanders around nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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