Guest PhantomMenace Posted February 26, 2002 Share Posted February 26, 2002 Okay does anybody want to key me in on exactly what they want to see when they say air units in this game should dogfight? Granted this is an rts not a flight simulator im not exaclty sure what these people can expect in terms of dogfighting with an RTS engine anyways. I mean; in starcraft the planes did not move either. But i do remember that in red alert the planes went on runs and encircled their targets. The same for the new game Empire Earth. If you mean the planes in this game should encircle each other i dont see why that's so hard but i personally wouldnt like that to much; i like for most units to stay relatively static so i can click on em when need be and not need to use any kinda f key or hot key system to jump back and forth between previously selected groups. I dont exactly remember seein the aircraft dogfight in red alert but im sure they did it. Its funny that i own Empire Earth and i never seen the aircraft in there dogfight either mainly because i always hit that epoch way before the enemy and im straffing his buildings with bombers and fighters while he's still running around with phalanx and heavy cavalry. So if what we mean by dogfighting is encirlce i guess that would be kinda cool but i wouldnt miss it and it would probably tick me off with all that stuff zoomin around in addition to all the other mayhem that's goin on but i think it would be nice if they could make the aircraft at least fly around in circles while they shoot at each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Influenza Posted February 26, 2002 Share Posted February 26, 2002 Well, it looks like you answered your own question all by yourself... Most people mean, by "dogfighting", that air units should maneuver when they engage each other. You obviously don't like the idea, but many people (myself included) enjoy watching aircraft zoom around and maneuver into advantageous positions while fighting other aircraft; it has a VERY high "coolness" factor. And it's much more realistic (in our opinions); I don't think you could pay a member of Rogue Squadron to sit still while fighting TIE fighters. As for sitting still when attacking buildings... that's a mixed bag. Sometimes I like it, other times I think it looks too cheesy. Oh, one more thing. You probably won't react well to this, but what the hey... Would you mind structuring your posts into paragraphs? It makes things much easier to read. Globbing everything into one giant mess is a major turnoff to many posters, and if it weren't for the title I would have ignored your post completely. Just a tip for getting more people to read/reply to your posts . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PhantomMenace Posted February 26, 2002 Share Posted February 26, 2002 First you say i answered all my owns questions and so for a second there i thought that would leave you no room to further reply or open your mouth but i guess i was wrong. It seems you've found a way to go back and re-edit your post and continue to blab. Im sure watching a dogfight would be cool but what about when there are like 30 fighters involved and ther are lots of aa turrets nearby. sounds like a bigger mess than needs to be and since air is just one aspect of a many factors goin on in battle i think they have given it a more than fair representation. I dont have my copy of Empire Earth with me so i cant see how the aircraft in that game reacted to other aircraft but im sure they did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Influenza Posted February 27, 2002 Share Posted February 27, 2002 Dude, what's your problem? "It seems you've found a way to go back and re-edit your post and continue to blab". Did I deserve that? Do you just attack people who disagree with you for no reason? All I did was answer your question from my point of view. Next time say "If you reply I'm going to cast aside your opinions so don't bother replying ok", and I won't bother to reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaming Nut Posted February 27, 2002 Share Posted February 27, 2002 It would rock with 6 planes and it would blow with 60. I have played EE quite a bit against comps locked on WW2 or modern age. Aircraft circle and when they find a target they turn to face it and attack flying right at him they then pass each other and turn trying to get behind each other it’s really is cool to watch. But if you have more then 4 to 6 planes (and haven’t hot keyed groups) you are just watching. Their moving so much micro is impossible hell it’s hard to order a retreat if your losing. Depends how many Tie’s 1 or 2 and I’d do it shield’s can take 1 or 2 solid hit’s better make your shot’s count though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagobahn Eagle Posted February 28, 2002 Share Posted February 28, 2002 Explain what you mean by dogfighting? Fighters flying higher when they're on a waypoint order, for then to lower their attitude when starting an attack run. Bombers flying over their targets dropping bombs, and then, as they're past the target, you see the explosions. A fighter on a waypoint order fleeing another fighter making evasive maneouvers (I'm not saying it should make itself a new waypoint, just do some weaving and climbing/diving towards the waypoint to make like 5% of the shots miss). Fighters going at each others' tails, going head-on firing at each others, colliding, going into dynamic formations, and so on, and so on, and so on. Pros: Enhances graphical impression Enhances gameplay Cons: May make units harder to target Counter: Assign a new hotkey that selects all non-idle air units on the screen; assign 'report', 'regroup', and 'retreat' order buttons to be placed together with the formation buttons. Report: All other aircrafts, in addition to the one selected, are automatically selected. Regroup: Tighten up and, if possible, return to formation, then go back to attacking targets. Retreat: Attempt to get out of enemy's LOS while avoiding AA units, then regroup. May make game slow down on slower computers and cause lags on Internet games. Counter: A slider under 'options' letting you choose between 'no', 'limited', and 'realistic' aearial maneouvers. In other words, 'no realism' is what is currently found in GB, while 'realistic' is what I have described above. 'Limited' means low-lag stuff like bombing runs, altitude changes, etc. [insert newbie blabber about contacting LEC for x-pack here. ..Hey, they aren't going to implement it anyway..] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediMasterEd Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 what would be good is that the player craft could manuver, like everybody else is saying (ex. Rogue Leader Imperial Academy Heist. A LONE Y-Wing that I flew, i took out much more than a single fighter could in GB). Sure it's asking for a lot of changes in the air but i think Lucasarts should probably think more on what everybody else wants. Oh, and i've never played Empire Earth so...i don't know whats used for it. and another thing, Influenza is right Phantom Menance. You really need to use the enter key. it hurts my eyes seeing all of that text clumped in one very large paragraph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natopo Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 PhantomMenace: What the heck is up with you? Don't flame people, you'll get banned. Dogfights would be the coolest thing! Unfortunately they can't do that with the AoK engine... PM: Keep this up and you're sure to be banned... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PhantomMenace Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 Looks like that what Natapo wants for me to get banned lol..well the reason i made this post cuz people talk about this game in a lot of ways like its some other kind of game besides an RTS. They say stuff like add a this and add a that most times stuff that obviously wouldnt fit into a war game but they do it anyway and i think that is what is happening when people talk about fighters like they want em to behave like the things they fight in rouge squadron but its and rts and the goal is to represent as many aspects of war as possible. Aircraft is but a small part of it; there are many other things that must be paid attention to and included and when its all finished there's only so much room on a disk and there's only so much you can do with a given engine. yah, red alert has aircraft that flies around but it only has 2 civs. Yeah empire earth had aircraft that take off but it has a smaller scale of units that can be onscreen at once and some of the graphics look kinda grainy; so no matter what every game engine is gonna have give and take and this game LIKE starcraft has static aircraft; if you line em all the RTS and compare them you'll always see strenghts and weaknesses and its not really a big deal that aircraft in this game dont strafe considering the large amount of other elements in this game! Duh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natopo Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 Yours Truly: I am saying that it really gets annoying when you are always saying the game sucks in all aspects! If you hate the game then why'd you join the Forums? If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it. That's what I always say... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PhantomMenace Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 You obviously arent reading my post or paying any attention to what i am saying. This complaint is not about the game but the expansion pack! I like the game but i am disappointed so far in the expansion pack and please stop using the term FLAME with me sooo often i am starting to think you are trying to imply something or make somekinda sultry suggetstion that i may not like so knock it off please! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natopo Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 The X-Pac is the game! It's the better version of the game! Don't come on these foums if your going to insult th x-Pac as that is also part of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PhantomMenace Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 Good grief now you got me confused..lol. This post is about the aircraft. this post is in favor of the aircraft in this game...jeez! the last retort shoulda been on the other x-pack related posts..and what makes you think you can tell me to not come on these boards and complain all by your wee little self when there are already post on this board that complain about the game already.. If you keep at it i'll go back and cut and paste posts on this very forum that ..grr.."flame" the game (shivers). If you simply have to be shown so you can see with your own eyes then i'll do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JediMasterEd Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 is that the last comment of this petty argument? if so...good. The aircrafts were done as best as they can but true, a fighter is not going to say "Now i'll stay here, shoot one fighter, then get blown up." their going to MOVE. yes is would be better if they evaded but RA2 planes really never evaded much. They would have to re-map the whole game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Influenza Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 PhantomMenace will probably blow up when I say this... Total Annihilation has dogfighting aircraft, and they add a new dimension to the game far past StarCraft or SWGB. There, I said it. /me ducks for cover... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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