SABERS SABERS and SABERS

[Protesalius]

Look, the game is called JEDI knight. Not sniper or granadier, but JEDI knight. In the first one i used the saber all the time (although it was pretty crappy) and this one definitely did a better job with it (especially blocking all laser fire). Now for the complaining: it might be my lack of skill, or maybe the heavy stance which i haven't recieved yet is a brilliant godlike innovation, but saber dueling is limited. I haven't tried multiplayer yet, so I can't judge that, but in single player, such battles as the one with tavion and the 2 saber-resisting dark dudes (forgive me for not knowing their names) seem to depend way too much on luck. It is all luck bases whether they will block your swing and somehow retaliate in a millisecond with a blow that takes 80 health off instantly or will be hit. The offensive moves are quite limited with the diaganol swing always being the most offen used, and the flip over saber down thingy getting u killed in mid air quite a number of times. I find myself too often running backwards like a pansy while doing a crazy number of side swings to the guy/woman running at my side. Again this might be my inexperience, and please forgive me if I offend anyone, because God knows I love this game. But I like a game in which skill plays an important role and a masterful saberist can come out of the duel with the 2 saber-resisting dudes, almost undamaged. If anyone has something to say, such as backing me up, or calling me a #(*%#(% idiot, and maybe offering some productive suggestions I would really appreciate it. Thank you for your time.

[Forhekset]

I think you just need to practice up on the sabre techniques...it's actually a pretty deep system, not limited at all. I don't even like the strong stance all that much, I mostly use medium myself.

 

Remember you can use some of your Force powers effectively against sabre-wielding baddies. They'll resist stuff like Push but you can usually Grip em, and Lightning seems to work too. Try Gripping for as long as you can maintain a Grip, then as they're getting up to recover, rushing up and hacking away at them with your sabre. As for the actual sabre dueling, I think it has a lot to do with patience. Waiting for the enemy to swing in just the right way, leaving himself open for a counter attack. If you go in swinging around like crazy like most people did in JK hoping to land hits, you'll get schooled fast by the sabre wielders in JK2.

[Aznac]

i like to use force speed when entering a saber duel against the reborn. it gives a good advantage.

 

ur complaints don't fall upon deaf ears but i do think you should practice up and try some new techniques before deciding to dislike it.

 

slicing hands and arms off is alot of fun.

 

and like you, as soon as i got the light saber, i rarely equip a gun.

-L

[Jedi Reeves]

I've been playing for awhile and I can't seem to figure out how to even aim it right. It all seems like a random toss of the dice to me. Do you guys place your crosshairs on people when your dueling or not? Sometimes mine are way off and I hit other times i miss. It's very inconsistant. Don't get me wrong here, the game rules, but there's something I'm not getting with melee. I played fakk 2 under the same engine, when they had the mpler mod, fighting with a sword was percise and skillful. In this game it seems very iffy and all these moves people post as "the best ones", seem to work 50/50. I would love for someone to show me what I am doing wrong, because I sure like the game and if i'm missing something, I would love to know exactly what that is.

 

thanks

[paintbutt]

I too think the saber duelling is hard, BUT I am playing on the hardest difficulty, and its sooo damn ...hard!!!!!!, in fact every single encounter with more than 3 enimies, usually results in me nashing my teeth as i watch yet another quickload screen. ararrrrrgghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!.

 

the end

[toolboi]

Those black reborn on jedi knight are frikkin impossible. I ended up just waiting for an opening in strong stance, then pulling and slashing them.

 

My real problem with saber fighting is that the fast stance is my favorite (the moves look the coolest) but its slower and weaker than the medium stance. If you cheat for all stances then the lighter stance (blue 1) is perfect, it has quick swings and almost Drizzt like spinning (for those of you who have ever read a forgotten realms book. For those who havent... Dont)

[Forhekset]

I think you guys are forgetting to use every single weapon at your disposal. Don't be afraid to fight dirty and use what some consider "cheap" tactics against Reborn and Shadow Troopers. Grip em, lightning em, like someone else mentioned, use Force Speed to help position yourself behind them so you can sabre em in the back. Like I said it's about patience mostly, not who swings the most and trying to angle yourself so that a swing hits. Waiting for the enemy to swing first, then dodging and hitting them while they're open is the best strategy, at least to me.

 

And yeah, I almost always try to keep my crosshair on my opponent. Usually because I'm constantly shifting, making sure my opponent is directly in front of me.

[Willmore]

Yup, practice, practice, practice.

 

The best way to practice in my opinion, is to go to MP game, create a FFA saber-only server (force or no force) and add 20 bots, at jedi master level, that way you'll be able to get alot of saber action, somehting you don't usually get in SP.

[Protesalius]

I really appreciate what all of you had to say about this. Most seem to agree that i just need more practice, which very well may be. I think many of you took the notion that I am severely dissapointed with the game. Please forgive for such a misconception, in my opinion the game is incredible and has very many improvements. It is most likely that i need to get used to this (from playing the first JK up to the release date) one. The only comments I disagree with, and again please take no offense from this, are the light stance, using force, and timing. In the first jedi knight there was also a huge luck factor, but timing was still important (with the only move people actually used ) in this game, in single player, timing against the fast attacks of the shadow troopers is very hard, but this might be my inexperience of course. Also i do realize skill is actually involved, it's not all luck. Also using force is cool, but i prefer to refrain from it when i can. I fully understand that speed gives u a TREMENDOUS advantage over ur adversaries in SP, but i find it not as honorable. Please understand that i'm not trying to offend anyone, and i know force is there for the purpose of being used, but that's just my way. My last criticism of a game that still gets a 10/10 from me, is that i find other stances not really necessary. Heavy, being almost useless in my opinion (in MP), and light, although with good combos, not doing the damage needed. Well thanx for all your thoughs, all of them are very appreciated.

P.S.

Has anyone else noticed that single player saber moves are a tiny bit different from MP. e.g. when u do a diagonal swipe you can another one spinning diagonal swipe in MP (w/ medium stance), but u can only do 2 diagonal swipes linked in light stace with SP.

[Jedi Reeves]

thanks for the posts too, but I was more curious about mper. I beat single player, but mutli, I just want to get good, and know some of the better moves maybe some people don't know or haven't posted. I have figured a few out but I saw a few posts down someone else had listed some of them.

 

[jedi dropout]

my tips are:

 

1) just because they can usually block force push dosn't mean it will always fail, you can catch the off balance if you have a strong push and given that quite a few reborn battles take place near great drops it can be a useful move, its also nice to kill with a little variety

 

2) learn how to make the best of a won saber lock, if its on of the side ones be sure to be ready to swipe accross there body once you win, and if its one of the pushing down ones be ready to hack down at there body

 

3) use the noise to get a rythm, a big spark if you haven't pressed anything means you have successfuly blocked so get in there.

[StarScrap]

Originally posted by Jedi Reeves

I've been playing for awhile and I can't seem to figure out how to even aim it right. It all seems like a random toss of the dice to me. Do you guys place your crosshairs on people when your dueling or not? Sometimes mine are way off and I hit other times i miss. It's very inconsistant. Don't get me wrong here, the game rules, but there's something I'm not getting with melee. I played fakk 2 under the same engine, when they had the mpler mod, fighting with a sword was percise and skillful. In this game it seems very iffy and all these moves people post as "the best ones", seem to work 50/50. I would love for someone to show me what I am doing wrong, because I sure like the game and if i'm missing something, I would love to know exactly what that is.

 

thanks

 

Are you using 1st or 3rd person? With sabers it doesn't have so much to do with the crosshair and aiming like a gun as it does knowing where your saber will be. A perfect example is a nifty little move I like to use sometimes. If you do an accross-the-body swing, and when it is all the way to the side jump, it stays stuck out to the side as you flip, and you can hit people in passing. Obviously, this hits only to the side, so the crosshair is useless, but there is still a good deal of aiming involved. And rembering to not jump over their heads.

[toolboi]

I admit, I have a thing for going saber to saber with no force powers. I figgure that if I can beat htem with only my saber it will mean that Im that much beter online.

 

However for when your not playing nice (devil smilie here):

-In an open area (you can get most guys into open areas) force jump back and forth over the guy until he leaves an opening (say he tries to forcepush you) then force pull him from the air. I did this to Tavion today, threw her off of the level.

 

-Pull is your best friend. Set a mouse button to saber stance (or something like alt) and wait for them to open up, use force pull and then hack em. Usually a one hit kill.

 

For "legit" battles:

-Red stance can kill in about one hit. Often a few well aimed shots on the reborn with red (as they often use blue) will yeild an easy kill. (I have trouble doing htis as I want to become the king of the one fisted spinning monkey attack ).

-Blue is really good for dodging around people. If some one is in the normal (not Desans) red stance go at them with blue.

-Yellow is your best friend. Its a faster single hit than blue, and it does more damamge.

[Frizbee]

Although the reborn generally block force push, force pull is very effective on the majority of occassions. Especially when they have just thrown their lightsaber, or are running towards you or jumping. They will drop to the ground, and if you are quick, you can kill them.

 

As previously mentioned Force Grip is also good, especially against the reborn who are not in the black armor, as One good force grip will choke them to death.

 

Also, if the reborn keeps using force push to break your force grip, a handy tactic is to throw them against a wall before they can break your grip on them, it causes a tiny bit of extra damage, and sometimes knocks them over.

 

If you have space above you, another tactic is to grip them, look straight up so that they are almost above you, then use force jump, and release them at the peak of your jump, they will fall and take fall damage as it wasn't them who jumped.... very handy in Multiplayer too..

[SiNNeR1]

a good way to kill those dark armor and reborn guys is to do this jump over them and it cuts off there head. you do somethin like forward+jump+attack right next to them and he does this jump over them slashing alot at their head or wherever. it doesnt work all the time but it works alot.

[Jedi Reeves]

I beat the single player and I appreciate the posts but I meant more of multiplayer tips. It just seems like when fighting another player or even the bots the outcome is a 50/50 thing. If you actually fight with a cool person then there's some chance for openings, alot of times though people come at you just swinging like mad and in the fastest stance, they look like they are bezerk and it's hard to really kill them. You can get close or try to do a swing and but that light bezerk swing they do knocks away some of your health and they keep doing until your dead. Occasionally I can push them back but usually it doesn't work or they still come through my attemots to push them back, not even countering it with anything and kill me. I would love to be able to have the gun skills carried over to saber skills, like you get in other fps games, where if your good with a gun, be it the weakest... it shows. In this, I played with my friend who always was unbeatable against countless people in every fps I played with her, and she still is if she uses the guns in this game, but the saber...no. Funny thing is in other fps games the glove,chainsaw,impace hammer, claw,spear(Aliensvpred2), and pistol whip in mohaa she can do all these forms of melee with total percision. In this jk2 game - it's not the same for her, and for me it's just a pain. I want to fight with the saber, I'm bored with the guns after playing with them in a million other fps games, but the saber seems a little awkward. If I can figure out how to use it effectively it would rock. This game is cool, it's just frustrating at times.

[Creston]

Just finished my fifth run through the game, the 2nd time on Jedi Master difficulty, this time I tried to do it without using Force Speed. Let me tell you that THAT is *$(* hard!! I wound up having to use Force Speed a few times, in the Jedi Academy. Six enemy Jedi is too much to handle without some kind of aid.

 

Still, here are some tricks that I find work (very) well.

 

- Red Stance is your FRIEND against single opponents (as well as Desann). Most Strong attacks in this stance cannot be blocked, meaning it's connect once and byebye opponent (twice for Desann on most levels, on Master you have to hit him three or four times on a strong stance).

 

- Saber Throw. I think that Saber Throw lvl 3 is a bit cheap, but you can use the fact that the Reborn and Tavion etc like to use it so much against them. Stand a reasonable distance away from them, wait for them to throw that saber at you. Sidestep and move forward, and throw your own saber at them as you move forward. Your saber will hit them because they have nothing to block it with, but because you threw your saber at them, they are trying to get theirs back at all speed, meaning you are safe from their saber.

This is probably more a little fault in the AI than a genuine tactic, as it seems to work fine every time, and might even be considered a bit "cheap".

 

- Force Push. For some reason everybody in the game but you seem to be able to resist Force Push (or Pull, to a lesser extent). However, a lot of your opponents have this thing about jumping around like a madman. The funny thing about jumping is, they cannot resist force push while they are jumping. So wait for an opponent to jump, then hit force push, and giggle with glee as you see them flying away in a nice trajectory. This is a very good tactic to use in areas where the scenery is deadly (ie, cloud city, reactor levels). Nothing makes me smile more than a RebornBoss jumping at me, getting pushed into the path of one of those ten gazillion volts lasers, and then watching him try to scramble out of the way, before he gets fried.

 

- Do NOT attack like some 3 year old kid at the arcades hammering buttons! While you are attacking you CANNOT defend, meaning that your opponent WILL hit you. And while you will hit him as well (most likely), YOU have the rest of the game to finish, and he doesn't. Meaning he doesn't mind if he dies or is left at 5 health, but you DO.

Be patient. Keep facing your opponent, wait for him to swing and miss, or for his swing to be blocked by you without consequences (some enemy attacks stun you a little while you block them), then counterstrike. This requires some timing, as on medium and definitely on strong stance, you have to learn to predict the attack and start yours while his is still on it's way (and you have to be sure he misses). This simply comes with practice.

 

- The "spin" is your friend. On medium and light stances, pressing strafe left or right and down will usually produce a spin attack (or sometimes even the special "stab to the back" attack), which is awesome for taking down enemies. Do an overhead slash to the side of your enemy, which causes him to either dodge to the other side, or to block, then follow up with a spin attack, which leaves him wide open. More often than not, such an attack is enough to see off most Reborn.

 

- Do not be afraid to shift your stances during a battle. Medium or strong stances are fine against a single opponent, but against three or four (or God forbid six at Master diff.), you simply do NOT have the time those stances take to recover from attacks. Shift to light stance so you can have your defense up at all times. However, once you manage to get an opponent a little out of the way from the others, quickly switch to strong, finish him off, then switch back. The 'switch stance' key is the one I use quite often, and it's near my w,a,s,d configuration (it's on my Q key actually).

 

 

These are just some of the tactics I use when sabering in SP (on Master diff level), there are ofcourse many others. Force Speed is always your best friend, but it IS a bit cheap and for most cases you do NOT need it.

My best achievement so far has been facing off against 3 Reborn and 2 shadowtroopers (in jedi academy) on Knight diff. I got blindsided by one of them and his slash left me at 1 health, no shields. Resisting the urge to quickload, I kept on fighting, and killed all of them after six minutes of gruelling combat, and had 12 health left (from a little force heal during the battle, I had run out of bacta the battle before). Needless to say, it was a VERY big smile I had on my face

 

JK2 rocks.

 

Creston

[Jedi Reeves]

The "spin" is your friend.r

 

this part here, the over the head swing...that is just strafe right and attack? you mean aim down as in aim at their legs? Just curious. I like to fight the right way instead of being a fool running around not even aiming and swinging like a lunatic but when you got a guy doing that against you, or two, then their friend racking up frags with the guns, its a ***** to wait out the manaic brandisher for an opening falling behind.

 

there is some attack not sure which or how to do it, in medium stance that leaves you a bit stunned for a sec but can kill people. i'm still trying to duplicate that attack.

[Smoolio Kan]

Is it possible to block or evade (without consant running away) every saber attack in a duel?

 

so say for example can a harcore experinced player vs the same have like a 5+ min battle without losing health?

 

Also you harcore saberers can you block everthing a frenzied newbie throws at ya even if there force speed and yellow stance?

 

basicaly I mean can you skill in this game easily defend random fast assaults?

 

(I ask these defence question becauses i prefer long drawn out epic duels with first to 1 frag instead quick races to 20 frag deathmatches)

[Protesalius]

Thank you all very much for your replies. These really are improving my skills, and i think improvement is the best part of the game. Anyway, even though force use was not what i was looking for, and niether muliplayer tactics (for now), I really appreciate the hints and advice you offered me. Special thanx for force use and multiplayer tactics to Frizbee, toolboi, jedi dropout, Aznac, Forhekset. Thanx to SiNNeR1 for the shadow troopers advice (although i get killed every time i do that move since i'm lacking in experience). SPECIAL GREAT THANX TO Creston, your great input hit some of my questions right on the spot, and other information helped too, i really appreciate it. Jedi Reeves, thank you too, and please, at the risk of being repetitive, list those moves you were talking about. I'm sorry, but i had a terrible hectic day, and please forgive me if i didn't mention your name personally. Thank you all for your input and making this an amazingly informative post. If anyone has any more to add, by any means do, there's always room for improvement. Again thanx, and goodbye...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:)

[Runningmac]

also what you need to do is let your self defend which i will admit is hard to do. i have tried the hacking away method and i was 50/50 but since i have let myself reealx and go into a defensive mode i have gottne alot better. though i will admit that i need more offensive practice.

 

as for hte strong stance i use tha only sparingly when i know that i need to get one good hit in. i mostly use the medium and fast (i really like the fast) stances because you have time to attack and recover before taking to much damage

[Jedi Reeves]

I can defend alright. I just stand there in medium or strong stance usually and turn to face whoever is on pcp, swinging wild. It's just even when I see their back turned or they pull back with a heavy swing and their saber is definitely not towards me I swing fast and still get killed. It would be cool if someone would post a complete Saber guide with all the moves, some advice and different techniques...is the crosshairs actually used or not?... etc- aside from having to use the force as well. I think once we all know the moves, how and when to use them and then master that, we can figure out if we choose to fight dirty, what force moves to use. Those are all pretty self explanatory.

[Creston]

Originally posted by Jedi Reeves

 

this part here, the over the head swing...that is just strafe right and attack? you mean aim down as in aim at their legs? Just curious. I like to fight the right way instead of being a fool running around not even aiming and swinging like a lunatic but when you got a guy doing that against you, or two, then their friend racking up frags with the guns, its a ***** to wait out the manaic brandisher for an opening falling behind.

 

 

In the light stance it is strafe left / right plus attack, or down left / down right plus attack, in medium it's down left / down right plus attack. And it's not an overhead swing (I hardly use that one).

Note that most of my tips are single player only as multiplayer has some VERY different normal moves and requires a totally different set of combos in order to be effective (which in my opinion is quite stupid, but there we go. Everyone's already asking for a patch that makes MP saber combat like SP saber combat, so here's hoping.)

 

Jedi Reeves, I have a page with all the special moves, that someone put up on the Strategy board a few days ago, only he specifically requested that not everyone go there, for fear of flooding his ISP. So I just copied it from his page. I can email it to you if you pop me an email : slingerp@xs4all.nl

 

Smoolio Kan, yes that should theoretically be possible, if both parties only stick to standard attack moves (no specials, which usually cannot be blocked, or are still effective even when blocked), and no strong stance is used, and the defender is as good at defending as the attacker is as good at attacking.

In practice, however, you'll find that saber battles are over quite quickly simply because it's easier to attack outright and score a lucky hit then it is to defend and attack properly. After all, what does it matter in MP if you die? Hit fire and you respawn. Not much use for solid defense then...

In SP against most Reborn, I am rarely hit. Shadowtroopers, Tavion and Desann WILL hit me, but that's probably more through special attacks / strong stance (desann) and speed (shadowtroopers and Tavion can dance around me quicker than I can get my mouse to turn me around )

 

Protesalius, you're more than welcome

 

Creston

[Protesalius]

I finally beat single player (delay because kept redueling tavion to get even, well that didn't work too well:rolleyes: ), sweet last level by the way. Well, i underestimated the game. The secret is *gasp* STRONG STANCE. Don't laugh, wait and hear me out. True, when you first try it out, it's rather dissapointing, seems to slow. I however, am now a decent player (not great, but decent) thx to the fact that not too many people have discovered the power of the "red arc":D Here are facts that you should consider about strong stance:

1. Longest range makes it the easiest stance to land hits with (by FAR, no pun intended)

2. The damage is quite a bit larger, finishing off people takes at most 2 (maybe if charge full of shields 3, i'm not sure) or even 1 move! (see point 3).

3. The lucifer, the undertaker, the atom bomb, the bloom of death, the executioner. Call this move whatever you want. Although you'll need a tiny bit of practice with it, after you learn how to land it, it will be your best friend. Start a direction + attack in heavy stance, and about in the middle of the swing press jump and forward simultaneously. Damn this thing hurts like a monkey on fire and in your bed (what? That's the only analogy i could think of).

4. You can move while swinging to get into range

5. The biggest problem of strong stance is avoiding your opponents berserker swing while ur recovering, this is not that big of a challenge, it's always easier to run, jump, or roll away than to hit with a medium or light swing.

6. Trust me.

Seriouly now people, i don't know why i'm giving my secret away. In fact i'll probably be back crying like a baby when i get owned by people again, but i really hope this helps some of you. And if not...well go watch Monty Python and the Holy Grail (great movie, really). Again thx for your post and have fun playing.

P.S. If any of you every play online, look me up, i'm the same Protosalius online as i am here, cya guys.

[Goumindong]

I dont duel to much, but i do know the the single best tactic for any difficulty that will work on 75% of all battles and will make them in in roughly 3 seconds.

 

Grip+throw once you get grip and it works on baddies, grip 'em and toss your ls, it takes one LS throw (when gripped) to kill a shadow trooper on master(had to do it for the first battle vs the troopers, ended in 10 seconds for two of them).

 

As for multiplayer, i go By Goumindong and usualy play ctf or team ffa. I dont go much into duel games (or ffa for that mater, to random for me) becuase i usualy end up waiting for a long time.

 

for MP i use heal, push, pull, and lv1 absorb(3 if on jedi master). I use either light or Medium stance(most of the time i dont even spend points on offence3 which gives stong stance. the downward hack in medium (forward + attack) is nasty with pull, wait until they show aggressiveness and then pull them to your feet, if they are slow you can hit them twice, if fast you get 1 in and are halfway through your second slash when they reover (if they block it it still does marginal damage as it bounces off). If your on a map with lots of drops, crouch and when they attack, psuh them off the edge, if they grip hit absorb, if they drain push em, if they lightning push em.... If you are getting rocked in medium, change to light, it has the second or third most devastating move in the game (the instakill strong is first thought its rally hard to hit with it, and the back slash med/stong is up there along with the backstab in light, but those are somewhere in the region of this attack), the lunge(forward + attack when crouched, it is also Tavions most devastating move for those of us getting raped by her in master mode). You can pull em close to you and lunge, you can wait until they attack you with a move that opens them up in front (or it will be deflected, doing marginal damage) and they will get the lunge in and the flip up. throw is great against people using mind trick and people with their back turned. The trick is that you will take damage from a throw unless you swong and hit it while its in the air, you cant just stand there and block it, so if someone mindtricks you, (meaning you can see them when they use it, use seeing if you have it first, i usualy have it at one, but i dont use it often enough to warrant mentioneing it earlier) throw your saber at them, if they get hit you know where they are, if not you know where they arent, but if they whack it while its in the air to not take damage the trick is nullified. Lets see, the back + attack move is great when people are behind you. As for the strong stuff, if someone comes at me in strong, i pull them to the ground and wham end of battle, they are just way to vulnerable.

 

Absorb, even at 1 is the all purpose dark side nullifier, it gets rid of all dark side attributes except dark rage.

 

If i dueled much i would either use that setup, or go max Dark rage/speed for some nasty hack and slash in light or medium(as i only have to get one before my force will go back up).

 

So... i use

 

jump 2-3

Push 3

Pull 3

speed 0-3

sight 1-3

 

Absorb1

Heal 3

protect 0

mindtrick 0-3

heal other 0

 

LS Off 2

LS Def 3

LS throw 2-3

 

Generel uses and concerns are:

 

Jump: to get places, but watch out you are 100% vulnerable when in the air, if you are near jedi you will get rocked.

 

Push: basic defencive force, its only usefull when they are doing something offencive or jumping (unless they dont have push 3, the morons). In duels without drops its used to move someone away (IE draining/lightning), in places with drops, watch your swings or be pushed off, and watch theirs so you can push them off. Can also push projectiles, which is the best way to get rid of gunners.

 

Pull: Basic Passive Agressive force. Only usefull when someone is jumping/attacking/using force, same as push. It is used to pull people off ledges and pull them no the ground so you can whack them. If you pull somone watch out, because they might not fall to the ground (they will always if they dont have pull 3, morons). having high pull values make you more immune to pull (as does push) so you need to have this skill high, or you will get rocked. you can pull weapons out of peoples hands, i find the other uses much more usefull, and i always find it dangerous using pull on a gunner as it might pull a rocket right into my mouth.

 

Heal: Basic Defencive force. use it you heal you, if someone doesnt kill me quick and i have force, im back up at full asap. I use it to not die and its damn good at that. No downsides.

 

Absorb: Advanced Defencive force. This is probably the best skill in the game, but its hard to use, it counters all but one of the dark side forces, but you have to have it easily hotkey'd you have to be quick, you have to anticipate. Against force happy darksiders or pushers/pullers this force dominates, why? it give you force when you are hit, and lots of it, even at lv 1, so you get hit by anything you will always have the force to heal you.

 

Seeing:Advanced Defencive force, a must for ctf defence and it should be at one for duels ust incase someone mindtricks you (even at lv 1, though you can throw your LS at them)

 

Dark Rage: Advanced Offencive Force. 1 word, speed, you go fast with this skill and you cant die or take damage, infact rage wont stop until you run out of life(1) or you turn it off, so whenever you can, run over some health powerups or when your really low, hit the bacta to go back up to 100. this is probably the best skill for flag runs in any other map but ns_streets. you can keep rage on nealy indefinitly if your skilled, which means lots of kills or lots of flag runs. absolutly the best dark side skill, it demolishes people with the saber, if you can hit (as your moving so fast its hard to aim). Be far away from the enemy when this ends, because you will be a sitting duck.

 

Speed: Advanced Offenvive/Defencive force. combine with Rage to go even faster, combine with absorb(also a great flag run combo) to go fast for a long time. hard to hit people with it as you move faster (as apposed to sp, where eveyone else move slower)

 

there is probably a lot i missed, if you have any questions, just ask.

 

Goumindong out.