Dueling Psychology...

[Takius_Proteus]

I totally agree with the strategy of intimidation and such.

On one map, the Star Destroyer, I used the imperial pilot skin (to kinda look like Darth Vader except not ) and heavy lightsaber stance, walking around very cool on the bridge. I had a hell of a lot of kills that day. Like Dasann did in the splayer mode, I would walk around, messing with other people with push and pull before moving in for the kill with two hard strikes.

I've also noticed that using walk rather than run in heavy style helps accuracy. Doing a side swing in run mode will make you run too far from your opponent for the swing to hit, much of the time.

 

Hey, if it doesn't work...fine. I find it fun to imitate Darth Vader with the dark-color skin, red lightsaber, heavy style, slow walk, unignited saber etc. Its all about fun, not fragging pointlessly.

[DDD8000]

Yeah you can so dominate your opponent by screwin with their head.

 

Either piss em off to the point of taking a baseball bat to their screen or scare them s@3tless. Those are to two ways to get to your opponent.

 

Most of the time I use theh scare them s@#tless approach, which involved being confident in your style and having a flow to your killing.

 

Having flow makes it look effortless to kill your opponent. Now that really scares the crap out of em, if they know that they are nothing compared to you. It really is funny when ppl run time and time again for health and shields after you've basically pounded them into the ground time and time again. Thatz why I like duel mode.

 

 

As for pissing em off, its one of the funniest thing you can watch. Some idiot flailing around with a lightsaber trying to do everything they can to kill you and you end doin a spin attack and killin em. That is a laugh riot.

 

Psychology and pure skillz. Without skillz ya lose and look like a putz.

 

But with the right skillz you don't even need psychology, just a good flow and a cocky attitude works everytime. With the right skillz a person usin Blue style can easily take out Red style although it does take forever and does look quite difficult.

 

Anyways the key to the win are skillz, flow, and screwin with your opponent's head.

[RuruPaora]

I think the idea that you can scare your opponents by playingan arrogant twat is kinda wanky. Annoy them to the point they play worse because they are in an uncontrolable rage - yes.

Make them try to AVOID you because you are obviously so full of yourself there is no room for anyone else - yes.

Further bloat your own self perception to give yourself more confidence - absolutely.

 

Scare them? Only the weakest players would be "scared" and these players are not the ones you had to worry about anyhow.

 

On the cinematic side of things, the things suggested are really cool. Let's be honest, most of us are trying to recreate the whole movie experience with us as the main character. Some of us were at the original screenings of Star Wars in the cinema (all those years ago) and have often wondered what it would be like to "play jedi" with a sabre. You know who you are, so don't pretend you don't know what I am talking about.

So far, this is the closest I have seen. (one day we will have VR with swords, and that will be even better) So anything that makes things more cinemary is all good as far as I can see.

 

SABRE CHICKEN

Another cinematic tactic I have seen (which me and a few players just started doing spontaneously one day for fun) was to face each other, perhaps crouching, with sabres off.

 

At some undefined point in time we would just run at each other with our sabres off. At the last possible second you flick on the sabre and take your best swing/jump/roll/whatever. You have to have an honourable opponent for max fun because the idea is to flick on the sabre last, but win anyway.

The coolest experience I had was when I leaped with the sabre off, flicked it on in mid air-roll, and backstabbed the other guy. Total fluke, but a heap of fun none-the-less.

 

For those of you stat orientated people who are only ever interested in your kill ratio and cannot understand why you would do this:

The reason is for FUN and a test of SKILL in a varied environment. Not some rat/pigeon clicking technique that we repeat over and over again (until we descover the next pigeon technique) because it racks up a score. I think the negative comments in this thread are mainly form these players.

[Backslash]

I have to agree with the PVM guys.

 

While sometimes just being a silent killing machine instills enough fear in people, a good amount of flair can also instill the same "fear" (if you'd like to call it that) in an opponent.

 

While I'll have a guy do the Heavy overhead slash at me as many times as possible, I'll just strut around, and tap at him with light stance moves.

 

Killing people is fun and all, but making it look cool makes the game more interesting.

[Mayor McCheese]

Hah hah, I do all those things

 

I taunt, put my sabre away and walk around all the time... but not to scare or intimidate anyone, in fact... the idea that anyone could possibly be scared of me as a result seems absurd. I do it simply to be a cocky bastard while I'm kickin' everyone's ass's.

 

That's not to say that I'm an ass while I'm playing... I'll say "good fight" and "nice one" when someone gets a lucky hit on me or even kills me, gotta be a good sport about it of course, but putting your sabre away, then walking around and taunting a person (even when you think he'll kick your ass) just makes the game that much more enjoyable.

 

One more thing... how do you counter the drain choke combo!?

It's by far the cheesiest thing I've ever seen! I know you can use absorb, but that drains your force pretty fast, and in the end you don't have any force left anyway... so your open for the choke!

 

By the way... I challenge all of you! (unless you use the drain choke combo you pussies) I use light force and I'm 99% sure I can beat any other light force users in a Duel. Anyone who would like to try and prove me wrong, please contact me! You too Joker, lets get it on!

[Mayor McCheese]

ah, it seems my ICQ number isn't showing up on my profile, so here it is. 126631273

 

Have at you!

[Dark_One]

I like doing this. It has some sort of a i'm a Jedi master style. And to turn your back on someone and walk away is coooool

[Gummy]

Psychology?

I wouldn't push it that far.

 

But keeping calm is definitely a must if you want to win a lot in a duel (which is all I play now).

 

Think about it. A guy using light stance and spinning around...

That looks stupid and it can be easily countered by a saber throw.

 

I mean, turn your saber off... some guy jump at you... just before he reach you... you jump in the air... take saber out... *slash*

 

The guy doesn't even know what happened.

 

Then there is the saber throw. Look for a opening in the guy's attacks, then cut him.

 

Keeping a clam and cool head really helps.

 

Last night, two guys say I was such a BS and a fluke because I can figure how to swing a heavy stance and throw a saber at the right time.

 

I have to say I am a n00b because I have only had this game for a week. But playing numerous duels has taught me to stay calm and win many times against some people who have played this game far longer than me.

 

Oh, and who said I don't have a life just because I want to keep cool at a game?

For your information, I only play an hour a day.

[Caster]

Mind Trick.

 

Hehe ^_^

 

I just love disappearing right in front of my opponent, just stand some where and type out taunting insults and commenting how much of an idiot they look like jumping around like that and then when they don't expect it BAM!

 

Swift kick to the face!

 

-Caster

[MadCowRunner]

Sure enough, I was playing on our duel server this evening when some noobs jumped on just as some of the other regulars jumped off, so I figured, what the heck, I'll try out some of these scare tactics. For the first few rounds (starting in Carbon chamber), I'd just stand up there, taunting w/ my saber un-ignited, and they figured they'd stay back and try to get an easy saber-throw kill. I dodged their throws for a while, kept taunting, and eventually they would each give up and try to rush me. The first couple times I used a push-pull combo to knock them to the ground and pull them to me, where I dusted them with a heavy overhand shot. The next few times, I used force grab and bashed them around on the walls. After the map change (now Battleground Jedi 2), I'd just walk at them and they'd turn and run away. I'd chase them up the hill, force grip them, and at the apex of the grip, I'd let go and force push them diagonally up off the hill. After doing this a few times, they complained and left. We'll see later if they come back...

[[PMV] Joker]

RuruPaora posted on here about playing "Saber Chicken", which I should point out is one of the definite benefits of adopting an intimidating play style. Usually after a few rounds of walking towards somebody with my saber off, they will adopt the same tactic, thinking that it's some sort of etiquette. Then they look rather surprised when I fire off a rather ungentlemanly drain at them while still just pacing forward, giving me a definite advantage in the match. Also, getting somebody into a standoff works wonders on the Bespin and Training Room levels. Just square off on opposite sides of that small pit in the center with your saber off. Pause just long enough for them to feel safe, then fly across with the heavy leap attack. It sounds like it wouldn't work, but it's surprisingly hard to get out of the way in time if your attention wavers for even a second.

 

- [PMV] Joker

 

Does this mean Ann Margeret isn't coming?

[hellblazer]

many of these ideas are really great this is exactly how the sabre dueling should be. i am glad that there are some people with style (unlike all of those who mock this thread, signing up so u can make urself feel better, i have never heard of anything more stupid than that). Well, anywho i would like to add that you guys didnt mention already is the option to "Lightsaber Deul Challenge" i really dont want to get into the details (read the manuals PG. 40) but there is nothing creepier than being new and seeing big white letters saying "LUKE CHALLENGES YOU TO A LIGHTSABER DUEL":bdroid2: so that is what i use ("k" by default) most of the time they dont know wtf it means but sometimes some one will accept. besides all the better for me.

[RuruPaora]

As I was saying in my somewhat lengthy post, which I am sure most people didn't bother reading, it is more fun with an honourable opponent who has the moral fibre to actually play the game.

 

What joker suggested is just what you would expect from your average internet gamer and why, when you finally find someone else interested in having a bit of "fun" as opposed to racking up a cheap kill, it is really awesome. To make it even better, there was no chat about it - it just happened.

Even IF the masty on the other end decided to go for the el-cheapo kill, you still just think of it as you would in a realistic setting: There are cheapo people in real life too, try to deal out some justice next time, otherwise just carry on playing.

 

In response to Joker's respoonse:

Thanks for reading my post. To say that one's playing style is "intimidating" is being overly presumptive IMHO. Stalking around and so forth might be quite cinematic and atmospheric, but to assume that it is somehow intimidating the other user is just beyond wanky...possibly into the realms of paranoid schizophrenia. I would go for "IC style" or "cinematic style", as opposed to "indimidating style", but perhaps I am just being pedantic.

 

As for playing chicken:

As soon as you drained me, I would realise that you were being unhonourable (i.e. missed the point of the game instead of the archaic ideal with which we mostly attribute it) and take evasive action.

I have had this happen, it is no big deal. It makes me chuckle to think about the amount of toilet paper the other guy must use to clean his keyboard.

If you simply used a move that resulted in my death, It would be the one and only time that it would work. (assuming that you caught me with it in the first place) From then on I would play as I would against any other stat-oriented player. This does not mean I would win, you may be better than me - miracles can occur.

 

However, I can see how you could fool people with this tactic.

[Jarrodo Malachi]

Originally posted by SyKoTiCWretched

hmm the only way any of these tactics will help you win is if your enemy is laughing so hard at what your doing that he/she cant play

 

You kno what...that's NOT A BAD IDEA. What if you could create a mod that used rude, silly, dumb taunts and animation. like bending your tail to an enemy and smacking your butt at them (good chance you would get probed too!!). Players would be laughing so hard they couldn't play straight!

[[Fallen]Ntrope]

Though I rarely play Duel mode, in CTF whenever I confront another enemy one on one (I always have my saber off unless I'm using it). I will stand still, hit the duck key, then backaway while standing up, from the front it truely looks like a bow - check it out sometime, the ultimate in honor battles.

 

I've actually had times in CTF matches where me and an opponent have both shut off our sabers, bowed, taunted and then battled - just ups the epic feel of the game and provides some fun in sometimes muddled CTF.

 

So if you see some ponytailed Jedi running around with an inactive saber, you may want to think twice.

 

Ntrope

[Over_burn_jedi]

There is a bit of psychology when playing as a saber only guy on a FFA server with guns.

 

One time playing on our LAN (first few times), I stuck to my saber (thanks to practice with more than 10 bots on Master and my oh-so-God-knows-what-i'm-thinking insanity) and I just played, and ruled.

 

Imagine the feeling you would get from deflecting nearly everythign somebody is throwing at you, force push and all. Pretty high on the ego-meter, and added to that, they're going like WTF or HOLY ____ since everything he's throwing ay you isnt getting through at all.

 

This convinced my friends to become better at the saber, and now look at me, I cant even beat my friends anymore (damn!)

 

well anyway, it means that I have to start keeping up or lose it entrely

[SJlAtrocity]

oh my god....

 

ahhhhhhhhhahahhahaahahahhhaahahhaahahahahahahahahah!

 

 

jesus lord almighty, thats the most retared thing ive read all month. Ive seen some of this bs in duels before. The game will start and JoeShmoe will come walking all slow then turn on his saber...... i didnt realize till after reading this 4star comedy piece what he was trying to do. ahhhhahhahaah

 

well anyways.... that crap DOES NOT WORK. Fun? maybe.

 

Try doing that to me and ill crush you like the 100's that have tried before.

 

One other thing.... i get a crack out of this guys who think the game hasnt been out long enough for "true talent" to show itself. ummm yeah, in other words you're trying to say "i suck and its gonna take me 6 months to learn how to play.... so uhhh everyone else sucks too" my god in heaven may you burn in hell for enterity for lamerness.

 

Talent has allready shown itself..... takes 4 days max to learn a multiplayer game...... anyone who cant do it in that time frame is either 12 or a multiplayer newb.....

 

 

what a joke

[SJlAtrocity]

Oh one more thing.

 

 

"Many people become over zealous at the sight of a saber turned off, and rush in like a bat out of hell, swinging like Barry Bonds for the fences. Nothing is more gratifying than attacking out of this saber off position, and with the correct timing, hacking the poor rushing fool into oblivion with one sweep of the saber."

 

 

yeah those people are called "newbs". Somehow i think youve come quiet acustom to the word after posting your ideas on "pyscological warfare".

 

Newbie 101:

No Saber = peace

Peace = stop fighting

 

when someone has their saber down the fights stops. OTAY?

 

 

OOOOOOOOOTAY

 

 

 

 

my god

[BunnyTea]

i agree to a certain degree that there is a psychological side to it just like in a sport or where ever... but it think those examples were a little on the extreme side... doing all the taunts etc... i think ppl get more affected psychologically if maybe u keep rolling away from attacks or blocking their swings, etc... (or making your jump shots/getting rebounds as opposed to taunting) it's kind of like that scene in crouching tiger when chow yun fat was dueling ziyi in the trees...

[BunnyTea]

Originally posted by SJlAtrocity

One other thing.... i get a crack out of this guys who think the game hasnt been out long enough for "true talent" to show itself. ummm yeah, in other words you're trying to say "i suck and its gonna take me 6 months to learn how to play....

 

Talent has allready shown itself..... takes 4 days max to learn a multiplayer game...... anyone who cant do it in that time frame is either 12 or a multiplayer newb.....

 

no... u don't suck and it's not gonna take u 6 months to learn it... but not all the strategies and little tricks have been discovered in the game yet...

 

like in quake2 CTF before ppl realized how important controlling the poweshield in Smelter was... ppl thought blue had a big advantage in the map since there were two exits for enemy flag carriers as opposed to one for the red base... but as the months went on, new strategies formed... and then somehow the map seemed incredibly balanced and is one of the best designed multiplayer maps ever imo...

 

and when those strats and tricks get discovered not everyone will know about them or be able to do them... ppl didnt time the quad, control the powershield, do rocket jumps, or use tricky grappling techniques within four days... it takes a lil time for ppl to think of those little things and thats when the "true talent" will show... though i'd like to replace "true talent" with "amount of time spent playing" hehehe...

[scoobz]

Psychologically....

.... (i can never remember how to spell that word) speaking... duelling can wield huge amounts of fun.

 

There are two good ones that I find cool.... walk over slowly to your victim with you saber on and looking at the floor. This drags the saber along the floor causing sparks while your walking.... looks intimidating. Then the drawback is you can't see what hes doing because your looking at the floor... so it can also be embarassing

 

The other is to slowly pace around your victim and walk slowly towards him with your saber off (he'll probably be doing the same) and then when your close enough without warning, go into a crouch roll directly at him and turn on your saber while you in the role. You garanteed to get the first hit

[Eat At Joes]

Originally posted by [PMV] Joker

And on the saber throwing bit, yeah I know taking a level 3 saber throw to the gut hurts, but it really doesn't take off that much and I've found that people using the saber throw (particularly in just Jedi Knight power level) are going to be worse off for it, since it can't do enough damage to justify it's use. Also, I usually don't have too hard a time dodging a thrown saber with the rolls.

 

- [PMV] Joker

 

Saber throw can be a deadly tool if your fighting someone obsessed with the strongest attack. If they are lunging at you or charging at you simply roll towards (lunge) or away (charge) and throw that saber and they are defenseless to it's effects, bonus points if you get 'em in the head.

There that's my 2 cents

[[PMV] AnimlMthr]

my god in heaven may you burn in hell for enterity for lamerness.

 

"Talent has allready shown itself..... takes 4 days max to learn a multiplayer game...... anyone who cant do it in that time frame is either 12 or a multiplayer newb....."

 

I would question not how old you are if oyu can't learn the game, but how old you are if you make the statement: "my god in heaven may you burn in hell for enterity for lamerness."

 

LAMERNESS? I won't even waste my time ripping on that.

 

As far as the talent being shown already, I think it is foolish to believe that all of the "good players" have emerged. Some people who aren't good now will get good by playing those that have already naturally picked up on the game. Basically, someone already addressed this, as far as strategies go, and whoever it was, I agree with you completely.

 

[PMV] Animal Mother

 

Got Lamerness?

 

...my word is poon tang.

[Eddie Cho]

For some dudes MP is showing their penis, for others it's meant to be fun.

 

It's always the same. U buy a game, play and then go to some forums and read the msgs. There u find only heroes, incredible good fighters, asskickers and whatnot else, telling u how many skulls they crushed and so on. Later on u go online and fight out that all the great words are just that: words. I'm tired of these big mouthed dudes - skilled or not.

 

Best thing is they have to post constantly screenshots where they are on top - but what does it say? Maybe his opponents were all newbs or they came in late.

 

They definately have at least a lack in social skills.

 

I have the upmost respect for plyrs which do their thing and rock da house, without having to talk much about temselves, like an overstimulated chatterbox.

 

Personally I'm out there to have fun. Scores don't interest me much, which doesn't mean I can't deliver a good fight.

 

have fun!

 

Fear Factor

[tomservo51]

U can punch in JK2?