Kerazy Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 Howdy, im running J.O trhu a voodoo3 card, and ive noticed that certain textures (mainly the 'rocky' terrain textures) just dont look as good as ive seen in screenshots, or on other computers (with different 3d cards) Im wondering do any other voodoo3 users experience poor graphic elements etc...(im running the game with full everything and it runs fine so it seems to me to be realted to poor support of voodoo3) Also only the first 'movie cutscene' works, when the game goes to run any others it stutters, make weird noises and eventually i get to see the 'in game' rendered scenes...anyone else getting this? thanx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(JLA)DarkKnight Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 You are probably missing alot, i bought a voodoo3 over 5 yrs ago... Im usin a voodoo5 now..... But i too am going to buy a gforce3 ti-500.. Damn Nvidia!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrawn05 Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 You're not missing anything, it's Raven lack of programming that's forcing people to buy $200 video cards. My advice is put the game back in the box and get your $50 back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardius Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 Or even $400 videocards. Actually, I got my GF4 in early March, so JK2 wasn't the reason for buying it. You're not being FORCED to buy a $200 videocard, though. Just grab a cheap-ass Geforce2 MX or something ($50 or so). Out of all honesty, Voodoo 3 users are missing out on quite a bit. Having textures displayed correctly is one. High-res gaming is another. Also, there is no FSAA, anisotropic filtering, and running with 32-bit textures may be a problem. Not saying you need all those fancy features, but that IS what they're missing out on. Overall, model and environment geometry would be enhanced with at least a Geforce2 or Radeon 7500 (you can now use higher settings with better performance). My friend is using a GF2MX to play JK2, and he hasn't seen any problems yet (on lv.12 in Bespin). I've never used a V3, and correct me if I'm wrong, but considering it wasn't much of a big improvement over an old 12 MB V2 I had, I'm not sure V3 should be able to handle modern gaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrawn05 Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Well I'm not changing video cards just because no games support it. Technicly, nVidia is SUPPOSED to continue support for 3dfx chips after they bought the company. Lazy lazy lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardius Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Well, you're right about that. I don't really know of many companies that are equally as interested in helping customers as they are making a profit. It sounds like they want all people with old videocards to just buy a new one (actually, that probably is it), but we all know that EVERYONE doesn't go out and buy an nVidia videocard. Some sales are better than none... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrawn05 Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 I'm not buying a video card. I'll get one when I buy my new computer. I'm waiting for 10Ghz computers. Since, according to PC mag and one of my friends who builds PCs, there is no difference between a 550Mhz cpu (which I have) and a 1GHz cpu. There IS a difference between a 550Mhz and a 10Ghz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FimbulWinter Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Sardius - your assertion that the Voodoo 3 isn't suited for "modern gaming" is _________ (fill in the blank). This game (JKII) is quite literally the very first major release in years that doesn't offer voodoo support out of the box. My voodoo 3 AGP (in a Falcon NW PC) has more than enough power to run this game with most, if not all, options enabled if only direct support for the card were included with the game. It's really troubling because LucasArts in the past has always been known to accommodate the widest possible audience for their games (much like Blizzard and other industry leaders do). Additionally, 3dfx based cards are not obscure boards from some fly by night company - they were the industry standard for gaming as little as 3 years ago (and not coincidentally, virtually all games shipped from that time to now work fine with the cards). Leave out the fact that nvidia has failed to live up to its promise to continue support 3dfx's customers and products when they took over and you still have a significant portion of serious gamers (again, I invested in a Falcon PC for gaming) left holding the bag with this game. I can play JKII and the gameplay is stellar (best LA game in a while) but I constantly have to tweak the video settings to keep the game running/loading/saving and the cinematics do not work at all. Additionally, the front end looks absolutely terrible. I'm hopeful that a fix will be issued with an update soon. I'm so tired of gamers that believe that everyone should buy what they have or tell other gamers to be content to be stupid fossils. I can guarantee you that I have spent more on games and gaming in my lifetime than 90% of the internet dOodZ in love with their new rigs out there and this lack of support for a MAJOR video standard (and the subsequent two sentence explanation for the same in the readme) is more than a little galling. Like I said though, maybe someome will realize that a fix with support is required and it will be issued soon. In the meantime, ask yourself why people need to plunk down hundreds of dollars for a new card when the one they have would work fine if the coders had done their jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardius Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 You're correct in saying that you shouldn't have to buy a new videocard, but you're not putting out *hundreds* of dollars unless you buy a Geforce 4 Ti4400/4600, Geforce 4 MX460, Geforce 3 Ti500, or Radeon 8500. What recent releases have you used for your V3 with settings maxed out, and what framerate did you get on average, though ? As for nVidia's promise... welcome to how the business world works. They won't provide any support for 3DFX products unless it helps them make a profit. You've certainly been shafted, and expect it to continue if nVidia is at the helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FimbulWinter Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 Well, since were talking about JKII I will say that Wolf 3D, Quake III (games that ostensibly use the same engine) are quite good on my rig. I'll concede that the highest resolutions don't run the best but I'm more than content to play JKII in 800x600 if only the card was supported. Look, I know the card is a little "old" relatively speaking but I buy a ton of games and I can acceptably play em all until this one came along. My comp isn't that old (an Athlon 700, 128 Megs) and I resent publishers or developers discarding a video standard that was (IS) widely adopted by a large percentage of gaming community AND developers. I know there are many players out there that will deem me out of touch because they think nothing of swapping video cards in and out without any hassle on a bimonthly basis so I really can't say anything to those people. Additionally I'm not a HUGE fan of shooters so in trying to answer your question I realize I probably don't even own some valid recent comparisons like Medal of Honor (although I'd like to get it but now I should probably fear that that game doesn't have support for 3dfx either!) I'm sure you know the feeling when a great game comes along that makes your once hot system cough and wheeze a bit. The thing is though that I CAN get the game running and looking great at that...knowing that, it just makes the other problems (cinematics, menus, etc.) just irritating beyond belief because I can see that the game runs just fine (gameplay-wise). I just want a fix that should have been in the box - that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deetox187 Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 Originally posted by Thrawn05 I'm not buying a video card. I'll get one when I buy my new computer. I'm waiting for 10Ghz computers. Since, according to PC mag and one of my friends who builds PCs, there is no difference between a 550Mhz cpu (which I have) and a 1GHz cpu. There IS a difference between a 550Mhz and a 10Ghz. Umm there is a HUGE performance difference between a 550mhz and 1ghz. I used to have a cpu running at 567mhz and it was way slower than the 1ghz i have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerazy Posted April 13, 2002 Author Share Posted April 13, 2002 I agree with all your opinions, and dont like feeling like a second class citizen cos i bought a voodoo3. The graphics are pretty damn impressive, its just that some textures dont look so good, the cinematics dont work, the front end menus look ****e and forget about the multiplayer menus! Im not really in touch with the pc gods...so what would u guys say is a good 3d card to get? (performance wise, compatibility wise etc?) No matter what im going to feel like id b buying a card JUST for outcast, but i might as well buy a good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardius Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 Have you tried to use the WickedGL drivers that quite a few people have been suggesting ? Not sure how much tweaking you need afterwards, if any, but ask the guy who posted this: http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=42733 No problems at all, supposedly. Now, if you really want to go for a new videocard, try one of these: ATI Radeon 8500LE - $200 Geforce 2 MX400 - $50 Geforce 3 Ti500 - ? Hopefully $200 soon Geforce 4 Ti4200 - (not out yet) $200 Geforce 4 Ti4400 - $300 Geforce 4 Ti4600 - $400 (best out there, but I was out of my mind to spend that much) Geforce 2 MX400 - $50 (still pretty good and a very reasonable price... just get the 64 MB one for better performance at higher resolutions as opposed to 32 MB) Yeah, almost all are nVidia products, but you'll have nearly 100% compatibility. Radeons offer good competition, too. I know quite a few people happy with them. Don't expect insane (70+ fps) framerates with GF3 and GF4, though, if you play games at full detail, 1024x768, 4x FSAA, and 32 sample anisotropic filtering unless you have an Athlon XP 1800. 40-50 fps is still nice, but sometimes it goes quite a bit below that. Software programmers STILL don't optimize their software for the powerful hardware that's out today. At least they did when V1 was the only way to go and V2 followed suit. Yes, I did own both of those videocards, and I was very satisfied with them. However, I STILL get framerates dipping down toward 25 fps at times with the graphics settings mentioned above... ESPECIALLY in JK2. Yavin Swamp is the primary offender with that. Sure, it's a decent amount of foliage, but the whole area doesn't look overly graphically intensive for a GF4. Almost all recent releases run twice as well as JK2 and some even look better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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