Heavy = No Skill!!!

[CheshireKat]

Sheesh!!!

 

This thread went a long way since I posted it...

 

Been Playing all night again, but tonight I focused on killing Heavy Stance Users.

 

Here's how it went.

 

On force enabled server, it's easy, just USE THE FORCE. I knew that. But in FFA you gotta steer clear of the killing feilds. AKA the big ol crowds. I'm not really concerned about winning anyways, I just like to have some sweet fights.

 

In Duel you still gotta use the force alot, but I don't like to abuse the force. I like to use the saber mostyl, and if my opponent doesn't abuse it I won't either. Still you gotta watch yer' behinder. Dancing around heavy can still be anoying. I often use a Slash against the two hande club move, and dode and throw against the One Hitter.

 

No Force seems to be the best. A heavy user who is also a Healer is a terrible opponent. So no force is prett nice. At least you know their hurting and you are widdling them down. Stii watch yer Hinder. One hit is One hit.

 

The only problem with going on a No Force Server is theres no Jump, Wall Walk, or Kick. I really would like to see No Force that enables just these. They are very fun, and the kick is a great way to Hose a Heavy Stance user. Especially when you see the Two Handed Club coming.

 

Anyways, have fun. See ya online.

[Arrghman]

saber throw works great against heavy stance.. if you've got someone swinging around constantly with heavy swings, they cant block your saber if you throw it at them...

[Plan9]

The ONLY thing I can agree upon that is definitely wrong with heavy stance, is the fact that the one hit kill, unblockable special move is slightly bugged. That is, the animation is screwy, and when it is supposed to be finished, you can kill people (even if they are behind you). Other than that, its fine.

[Arrghman]

i dont think i've ever even been hit by that move.. when i see someone attempt it, i just back out of the way and throw at them... they usually change stragedies pretty quick

 

dont get me wrong, i'm not one to constantly throw my saber and do nothing else, i'd much prefer a nice close fight with a blade lock or two... but every move has a countermove

[Trienco]

Originally posted by RedMan

Well theres a ligit argument,

So due to lag Heavy stays in mid swing longer? or its more you see them finish and they haven't?

I haven't encountered that before. But slowing running backwards was argued about that duelling would be different on all stances. Theres a post somewhere on it and some good points were raised against.

And whats the screen doing in front of you? is it jumpy or smooth, I've always had a smooth screen, haven't played in the jumpy games, its just horrible.

 

No sarcasm was meant in this either, I'm serious about those questions.

 

can only speak for myself:

-in fact the swing didnt begin or he just started to move.. then you die even you seem to be meters away (works the other way round to, you miss but he still dies... or your saber is going right though him but he isnt really there.. or you walk aside and still get hit)

-screen: at my favorite place (landing pad on ffa_bespin) its down to 5fps if more than 2-3 others are around. i changed to the lowest settings there are and it got better (about 7fps instead).

but the stuff mentioned above happens independent of that. no matter if its jumpy or smooth, its just lag.

 

i have to try it on lan or with bots. some say they experience the same even with bots. the only reason why red stance is dangerous might be the fact that the moment your ping is high you won't see it coming (or at least not soon enough). dont know about other online sword-games but i imagine it must be similiar there. just keep in mind that your opponent will never be where you see him and that sometimes his position is more than just a little off..

[JK_Morovski]

how crazy.

 

did you people never play JK1? secondary fire for the saber VERY similar to heavy stance, and it was all people really used. sure it was slow, but it was the timing that mattered.

[=GrimM=]

Every single time that I have died to someone using the strong stance I have blamed myself. I mean come on, you see it comming from a mile away.

 

If you cant learn to anticipate and react accordingly, thats your problem.

[Canis_Aureus]

Originally posted by CheshireKat

My point and case:

 

I use Meduim, and I often when fighting people, I'll hit them 4 or 5 times with different moves. Whether they heal or not is no concern, since I can do the same. But this means I may hit them 6 to eight times. So why is heavy Skilless? because at this time my healthe is at 100 and they've not hit me once!!! After trying the same move over and over they've failed to hit me, and with ONE LUCKY SHOT, the same shot they've been trying over and over...

 

I'm dead.

 

Luck plays a VERY little part in my kills. If you stood still I would hit you on the very first heavy swing. You move and that's the reason I miss. When fighting another player using heavy stance I switch to medium as it gives me an advantage. I have no idea what your problem is, but I bet it is a lack of skill rather than your opponents luck. Of course luck plays a part in this game... once in a while those headless chickens spinning around with no control manages to kill me... But if you focus and play this game with control - luck will not play a big part.

 

Stop whining and just adapt... the heavy stance has a big weakness... use that to your advantage.

 

Also just imagine that there are in fact lots of players on the server who are far better than you.... or is that simply too complex an idea for you?

 

So PLEASE stfu k thanx!

[Skarfays]

cheshirekat../.

where have i heard that name?

[D66]

Remember what happened to tribes2 Contemplate on that while you read this...

I really need to shrink this and use it as a TCD as these "Wha this tactic is cheap Whaaaaa" Threads just keep comming....

 

 

 

GROW UP!!!!!!!

[TasamBladefire]

Every newbie I have played against in recent days has used either medium or light styles. They simply spin around and around all the time, usually not even within 5 feet of me. So I just wait for them to be facing in some random direction, and slash em clean in half(with my strong-stance, which I always use in 1vs1 duels, as it was meant to be done).

 

I will never use light stance, for it simply doesnt do enough damage for my style of fighting. Medium is great for FFA battles, where there are huge lightsaber fights in progress. But my favorite stance is, of course, Strong. I have a defensive style of fighting, and strong style is in perfect sync(sp?) with my movements.

 

I can begin a horizontal slash, and then sidestep past the enemy just as the swing is in full zenith, and almost always I can get this to hit. Then, I dart back out of range, and prepare to defend against any throws/forcepowers/or charges. Then I can dart in for another attack, or perhaps I can do a flip attack. There are many possibilities.

 

I always fight as a light jedi, with little offensive force power. I rely on my lightsaber to deal all of my damage, therefore it needs to be strong.

 

I can understand those who dont enjoy dieing from heavy slashes, but who doesnt get mad from dieing anyway? There are hundereds of ways to be killed in a lightsaber duel, and most of them dont even come from lightsabers. But if your dueling me, Tasam(in game), know I will only come at you with a strong style lightsaber attack. I find I can time them well, place them well, and balance myself well with that style. So I am no "n00b" who will randomly slash you and get lucky. I place my slashes well, so if you see yourself suddenly on the ground, and yourname__ has been defeated by Tasam! on the screen, dont call me a n00b, because you just fell to my skill, not luck. I roleplay with my character, and spinning round and round constantly, is certainly not a part of my character, OR my style of fighting. So use the lightsaber stance you are comfortable with, and dont whine about someone using another stance, and dont whine about someone using only one stance, because there is simply no merit to your whining, people use what they wish, I certainly do.

[stellerwinds]

It is one thing dying from an actual heavy slash. There is no more bother in that than dying from any other kind of slash.

 

Its another thing to die from a heavy slash when the blade never actually touches you. And no this has nothing to do with lag. Some heavy stance moves have lingering damage effect areas and larger areas affect and just hit when they obvisouly Dont hit.

 

This should not be the case considering this doesnt happen with light and medium. There is no reason heavy stance should be this broken and exploitable.

[CheshireKat]

Is the animation bug this?

 

One hit kill sometimes double hops.

 

I saw this last night. I'm not sure why, I think maybe he had the One Hitter Bound to a key and was just doing it like mad, but it's very weird.

 

Oh, and another tactic against heavy I hadn't tried, until I realized you cant walk up to theses guys and slash them in the One Hit Crouch. Just Push or Grip them when they are in thier stun. Works very good.

[icefox98]

Just to let everyone know, when you swing in heavy, you leave yourself open for attack more and longer than any other stance. It is very easy to kill someone using this stance. I use heavy, and have never lost a duel map (nf) and bassicaly never lose. I will not tell me strategies, or else everyone will be doing. =) I dare you to try and defeat me. The name is Rosco. Look me up. Bring it on.

[Sartis]

lmao, thats funny 'Heavy swing is so easy to get killed in more than any other stance' RIGHT before he says, 'I have never lost a duel and I use heavy stance', sorry just found that very funny.

 

Thing is I think people are blowing up how easy it is to kill a heavy user too much its not REALLY all that easy, sure its easy to kill the moron who runs around pretending heavy stance is light stance, but even he can get that lucky one shot. But anyways Heavy stance is bugged like a poster said it hits when the animation doesn't have it swinging and etc(and no its not lag)

[Tree]

Originally posted by Sartis

Thing is I think people are blowing up how easy it is to kill a heavy user too much its not REALLY all that easy, sure its easy to kill the moron who runs around pretending heavy stance is light stance, but even he can get that lucky one shot. But anyways Heavy stance is bugged like a poster said it hits when the animation doesn't have it swinging and etc(and no its not lag)

 

Yes its funny how a lot of people say how easy it is to kill a heavy stance user.

 

Funny how you never see these people in game.

 

Gee I wonder what stance they really use?

 

Most of these people post tips on how to AVOID strong stace swings.

 

Everyone can avoid a strong stance swing, thats not the prob. Its trying to get inside of their range to kill them. It takes FOREVER, cause they play deffensivly. They also move the exact same speed as you do. They will only leave themselves open for attack if they truly suck.

 

Most of you ppl post the n00biest tips for dealing with strong stance. It sounds like you have never played multi-player.

[stellerwinds]

Not only that but notice he says "its easy to kill heavy users" and then says he never loses in No Force duels.

Ya thats because all the counters people offer to defeat heavies involve using either guns or force powers like throw or push.

 

Well i dont use guns or force powers cuz i duel on saber only no force servers. Saber vs Saber there are some Very obvious exploits about using red stance. This guy knows it because That is where he claims never to be defeated.

 

All stances should have their strengths and weaknesses. And those weaknesses should Not be reliant on using guns against them. They should be strengths and weaknesses against the Other stances. I'm tired of hearing all these "solutions" like saber throwing, when red stance's Real solution should be to get fixed.