what is with you guys thinking you are some type of badass jedi because you can use

[AA-Tyrael]

And is there a secret code of gunners ?

Dont hit other with guns go ONLY after the people with the sabres.

Hide somewhere wait the jedis to fight with the sabber and kill them both with ur big gun

[SotJ_Waffle]

Sorry... Had to put in my two cents...

 

A free for all simply means that everyone's on their own. No team, nothing. A free for all doesnt mean guns and sabers...

 

You can still have a free for all in ANY game out there that has multiplayer and have restrictions on weapons and powerups. It has nothing to do with rules and weapons other than restricting u to do other things. So when its a FFA and they are using only sabers, well its ok then and it is still classified as FFA.

 

Just had to set the difference between the two, and If you think I am wrong, check any game with multiplayer and the words FFA in it. It doesnt say "dont just use saber, use everything". I've played FFA games in Halo that only use Human Weapons, and TimeSplitters 2 where I used only rocket launchers. And it still said "Free for all".

[Kurgan]

That's a very good point you make there...

 

In addition "Duel" doesn't imply Sabers only. It can be played with everything, full force, no force, etc. People just tend to play it with sabers, so they tend to take that for granted, just like FFA tends to be guns+force+sabers.

 

Sabers Only. Jedi Vs. Merc. No Force. These are all just mod "switches" that can be used to modify the base game.

[.Templar.]

Guys, I didnt bother to read all 3 pages, but I read most of the first page, I'll put in my 2 cents.

 

Use whatever weapon you want, be it a gun, or a lightsaber, and dont complain about getting killed by either, take it as a learning experience, and learn how to not let that happen again.

I see alot of people saying the game isnt balanced enough for all weapon FFA, and I partially agree, the game does have balance issues, but that doesnt stop you from going to a saber only server.

I'm having trouble trying to say the right thing here, because I feel iffy on this situation myself, right now guns have a clear advantage over saber combat, and it does piss me off sometimes, but if I want saber only combat, I join a saber only server, thats that, believe it or not, there ARE ways to counter every gun with only a lightsaber and the force.. You guys say heavy repeater is lame, well I'm guessing most of you have low enough ping to press the force push button when someone shoots an alt fire shot at you from that gun, and have it send it right back, if you really want to suprise the gunner, let him shoot once, then jump up and start chain pulling him, more often than not that makes him wig out and turn around and try to run, because the splash damage will kill both of you.

As far as balancing the game goes, the more weapons the heavier you are the slower you run I agree with, and the saber damage needs to be similar to g_saberrealisticcombat 3, that way if you swat him with blue, he loses a limb and dies.

[Kurgan]

I guess the problem is, a lot of players who are either big into roleplaying or want the game to be "just like the movies" want this:

 

"saberists" (people who use the saber+force exclusively)

 

should be able to "hold their own" (ie: keep up in score)

 

with

 

"gunners" (people who use everything but sabers)

 

 

The fact is, even in the movies, Jedi Knights and Masters were overwhelmed and KILLED (in large numbers) by foes with superior firepower.

 

Don't believe me? Watch AOTC again, witness the slaughter at the Geonosis arena. With only droid blasters and those explosive guns the Geonosians used, the Seperatists were able to whittle down the huge Jedi army in no time.

 

Anyway... there are mods which attempt to modify this situation (Promod, Jedi Vs. Merc) but none do it 100% successfully and still retain a "movie flavor."

 

The fact is, the best players will always be the ones who can take WHATEVER IS AVAILABLE (ie: force, guns, sabers) and use them to their advantage as the situation calls for them.

 

The world's greatest saberist is going to be beaten by the world's greatest "everything" player. The only way to make saberists supreme would be to nerf all of the guns and make the force unavailable to gunners, because even gunners still use the force!

 

Anyway, that's my rant. I don't think these folks will ever be satisfied. The Jedi Knight games have always been about Sabers+guns+force.

 

Duels are awesome and can be a lot of fun, but there is a REASON we have lightsaber challenges in FFA and a "Jedi Master" game mode, etc... saberists aren't supposed to be able to dominate just because they can swing a lightsaber around.