netskimmer Posted April 24, 2002 Share Posted April 24, 2002 I've decided to upgrade from a 64 gf2 gts to a new card what are the pros/cons of GeForce and Radeon cards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWolf4000 Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 Hey, i may be able to help. I own these two cards: GeForce4 MX 440, and Radeon7200. There both 64mb. Neither perform to todays high end standard. The radeon is great, but its gettin old, and the GeForce4 MX 440, which is pretty new, is not worht buying. A tip: If you really want high res, color, details, and more. Make sure you get a titamium GeForce4, or a GeForce4Ti. Strangely, with the 440MX, i got really really slow fps compared to the radeon, which was weird cause the radeon was a few years older and had half the GPU speed which was 155mhz, of the new geforce4mx which was 275 i think. The Ti series on the other hand is an excellent choice, if you want to spend $400. This card will pretty much outperform anything on the market. But, i would not reccomend it. ATI's Radeon 8500 is an awesome buy at $200-$250, and performs extremely well with the new drivers released by ATI just a few weeks ago. If i was to buy a card today it would be the Radeon 8500. Yes, you will walk into a store and be told to buy a geforce4Ti because everyones hyped about this new product. But it's just not worth $400. The 8500 can come very close, and in some cases, with some great new drivers, maybe out perform the geforce4ti's. (keep in mind my 155/155 outperforms the 274/400 i had perchased) so stats arent everything. Go with the Radeon 8500. And if you dont want to spend that much, for $150 (i think) you can get the 7500 which is an amazing buy for the performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoodlyGod Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 As far as pros and cons, I can't say for sure. But, I do know (based on benchmarks) that the Radeon 8500 is the second best card on the market, the Geforce 4 Titanium Line being the best. The 8500 beat out the Geforce3 Ti500 in every single benchmark. The lead wasn't the most amazing thing I've ever seen, but it was better. If I were you, I'd probably go with the 8500 but that's just because I think spending 400 bucks on a video card is rediculous. And I take that back about pros and cons, Nvidia updates their drivers more regulary and their driver updates actually seem to improve the cards performance. And while ATI releases drivers at a decent interval, they seem to go back and forth between patching bugs, creating bugs, slowing performance and increasing performance. I haven't owned any of the thousand series, but I had a Radeon 32meg DDR for quite a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netskimmer Posted April 25, 2002 Author Share Posted April 25, 2002 Thanks to RedWolf4000 and NoodlyGod for their input, does anybody know what the difference is in the Radeon 8500 and the 8500 LE? I've heard that the only difference is that the LE doesn't come with TV out and digital display for flat screens. Is this true or is there a performance difference? And how much of a performance difference is there between the Radeon 8500 and the GeForce 4 Ti? I can come up with the money for the GeForce 4 Ti but only if I'm getting alot of performance for the money. P.S. I know this isn't the forum for this but I'm having trouble with JO and was hopeing a new card would help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phobos Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 The 8500 LE is a slower version (lower clockspeeds). I wouldn't go for any of the "fancy" stuff (TV-out's, DVI, etc). Just take a card where you can put your CRT or TFT on and that's all. Radeon 8500 is a excellent choice, but please note that any of the Geforce 4 TI's will outperform them on every level possible. Also NoodlyGod said that it could outperform a Geforce 3 TI500 in every single bench....this is a little over the top, it's a good performer but not every game utillises the specific techniques used on a Radeon card. It is wel known that the Geforce support is far greater in drivers and games. If you can get one for 180 bucks than go for it (here in Holland people can get them for about 200 Euro's = 175 US-Dollars), it's the best value for your money. If you want more performance choose for the TI4400 or TI4600, it's the most expensive but it leaves the Radeon for behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoodlyGod Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 No prob, I just found a review for the G4 vs Radeon 8500 and while I've only seen the Q3 benchmarks I wouldn't say the G4 leaves the 8500 in the dust, But the gap increases at higher resolutions. http://www.3dvelocity.com/reviews/gf4ti4200/gf4.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phobos Posted April 26, 2002 Share Posted April 26, 2002 I didn't mean to put you down Noodlygod...... Most benchmarks on the internet show these results. If you look hard enough you will find some results that also show the AA-options, and this is where the Geforce 4 TI-series steps in. AA (Anti Aliasing) makes the screens look smoother and more accurate. It's a sort of filtering method, when you see those results it will become clear that on this moment nothing can keep up with 4TI's. Don't get me wrong, I love the Radeon's but it's a fact that Geforce is just much faster when using all the new options. Also I find the results from the link you provided us just amazing....I'm getting the same results with RTCW & JO on my Geforce 2 GTS with only 32 MB's. Also Quake 3 isn't a reliable test anymore since it has been outdated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoodlyGod Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 I didn't take offense =) And indeed, AA does look quite nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedWolf4000 Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 if you just wanna give in and get a GeForce4Ti, the smartest choice would be the 4400. The card is crazy fast, and its $300 at stores. The 4600 is 25mhz faster in gpu, and 100mhz faster in memory (i think?) But the Ti4400 is so high up there, thats $300 seems the perfect balance if your getting a new Ti. I wouldnt really wanna get a Ti4200, for $200, the memory is of cheaper quality, and much slower in transfer rates. The GPU takes a drop too and id say its about equal to a radeon 8500. The GeForceTi4400 is the best choice of the new TI line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drack Posted May 3, 2002 Share Posted May 3, 2002 If you want a bang for your money, the 8500 definitly the LE comes with 25 MHz slower than the non LE, but thats why overclocking exists . Radeons are excellent card. I got a plain' ol radeon LE, I overlocked it from 145MHz to over 180, been running like that for a year, and its still kickin'. I get around 40-60 fps in the game on a 950 Thunderbird. Geforce 4 are just TOOO expensive..pay 150$ or more to get 15 fps over the 8500? doesnt make too much sens since both way over 100fps in that game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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