Cmdr. Antilles Posted April 30, 2002 Share Posted April 30, 2002 My specs: 1.4Ghz AMD T-bird Gigabyte GA 7DXR mobo 256 megs DDR 64 meg Geforce 3 Ti 200 Windows 98SE I've been having so many problems with JK2. I originally had my GF2 installed. It was an MX 200, 64 megs. The crashes seemed random with my GF2. I could last anywhere from 15 to 50 minutes, but eventually, the game would crash, and I'd alt-f4 out of it to a desktop with JK2's resolution, and gamma settings. I've tried DX 8.0 and 8.1. Each time, I've completely removed the old one with a program called DXBuster. I've also tried the 23.11 and the latest detonators in just about every combo with each DX version. I've also updated my sound card drivers (it's an onbard 128 SB), and tried running on every level of sound acceleration. Nothing worked. So, recently, I installed my GF3. Now, after 1 minute, my whole PC freezes and I have to do a hard reboot. I heard someone say they solved their crashes (they have a really close system config) by disabling AGP Fast write and AGP side band addressing with a program called NVMax. I wasn't able to find this program, but I disabled AGP fast write through my BIOS. That didn't do anything. I've also messed with most video settings in the JK2 menu, but nothign works. Please help me.... You're my only hope. Seriously, I can't even enjoy my game. For incentive, I'm a mapper too, and you'll never see my work if I can't even run the game. Heheh... TIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteChedda Posted April 30, 2002 Share Posted April 30, 2002 Originally posted by Cmdr. Antilles I heard someone say they solved their crashes (they have a really close system config) by disabling AGP Fast write and AGP side band addressing with a program called NVMax. Seriously, I can't even enjoy my game. Have you checked the log? to be honest this sounds like a heat related issue, the easiest test is to take off the side panel exposing the CPU, ram, etc... [place the system on the floor first] and get a big box fan [your parents or you likely have one already] aim it at the open hole. Note aim it at an angle, not perpendicular to the machine. IF this stablizes the game, you most certainly have a heat issue, from there, it depends on you system, I suggest putting a 4cm fan in every slot available:exhaust in the back and top, intake in the front/side Note you may not have a hole in each location. You may also get the 5.25" fans for any free drive bays you have. I run an athlon 750 with a GF1 and I have 3 fans [and need another to cover the heat the HD produces]. It's not dangerously high, but I'd like to get it circulated better. Edit: Make that 8CM fans, doh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignodium Posted April 30, 2002 Share Posted April 30, 2002 yes, not only should you aim it at an angle (to let air circulate and poissibly for this next reason too) but dont put it too close to the machine or monitor, especially a big fan, magnetics and the spinning can be bad together. you could likely see a little vibration on the screen (like you bumped your refresh rate down to 50) but this wont hurt at all, just dont do much closer than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr. Antilles Posted May 1, 2002 Author Share Posted May 1, 2002 I'll give it a try, but I already have 4 extra fans in it. It's a server tower, and I have two 90mm in front, and two in back. Doesnt' really feel very hot in there anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteChedda Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 Originally posted by Cmdr. Antilles I'll give it a try, but I already have 4 extra fans in it. It's a server tower, and I have two 90mm in front, and two in back. Doesnt' really feel very hot in there anyway... It just sounds like heat, might not be. Lets go for the gusto then Mobo + driver version Video card + driver version Sound card + driver version Any other PCI devices? Do any PCI cards share an IRQ with the video or sound card? What OS, including service pack if any? DX version? Happens in single, multi, or both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr. Antilles Posted May 1, 2002 Author Share Posted May 1, 2002 Well, just turned GL extensions off, and it ran for 10 Mins with no crashes. (didn't have time to test it longer) I tried that before, but it was with my GF 2, and my FPS was horrible. Seemed okay with my GF3, though, after I capped the fps to 43. I don't want to get my hopes up, but this is promising, since before, it always crashed after about one minute, consistantly. Thanks for the replies. If this doesn't last, I'll have to bump the thread... Man, I hope this works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coor's Light Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 If you have a stock Heatsink/Fan, Get rid of it and buy a quality one that pushes some air and use a thermal paste such as Arctic Silver III on the chip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernaut Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 I've also been having random crashes after about 20 min. and it's definitely heat.I have a digital doc 5 with a thermal probe on my heatsink{Thermalright SK-6}one on my vid card,CPU,HDD's and several scatterd through the case.I check the temp when it crashes and it's about 125 F.Every other game and program I have run fine,for some reason it only does this with JK2. MSI K7T266 Pro2 RU Athlon Xp 1500+ @ 1560 Thermalright SK6 with High output Delta 512 Pc2400 2x80 gig WD raid array Visiontek GF2 MX400 64 DDR Plextor 24/10/40 CDRW Pioneer 106S DVD Soundblaster Audigy Platinum Windows XP Pro 4x80mm panaflo high output 2x90mm panaflo high output 1x120mm YStech high output Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdr. Antilles Posted May 1, 2002 Author Share Posted May 1, 2002 Well, I just played for a couple of hours, so I think I'm gonna be okay. Thanks for the help, and I hope you guys get your problems sorted out. Of course, who knows. I may be back here looking for help again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteChedda Posted May 1, 2002 Share Posted May 1, 2002 Originally posted by Supernaut I've also been having random crashes after about 20 min. and it's definitely heat.I have a digital doc 5 with a thermal probe on my heatsink{Thermalright SK-6}one on my vid card,CPU,HDD's and several scatterd through the case.I check the temp when it crashes and it's about 125 F.Every other game and program I have run fine,for some reason it only does this with JK2. MSI K7T266 Pro2 RU Athlon Xp 1500+ @ 1560 Thermalright SK6 with High output Delta 512 Pc2400 2x80 gig WD raid array Visiontek GF2 MX400 64 DDR Plextor 24/10/40 CDRW Pioneer 106S DVD Soundblaster Audigy Platinum Windows XP Pro 4x80mm panaflo high output 2x90mm panaflo high output 1x120mm YStech high output 2 ATA100 HD's, let me guess 7200RPM too, right? I wonder where the heats coming from. Heh. OK, for heat you can test the method I gave earlier, if you put a box fan on high, and you are in an air conditioned room [in florida its a must] you should greatly reduce the heat in the case. If this stablizes you, I don't kow what to tell you other than get a new case with more spots for fans. Let me guess all that shoved in a little mid tower case too right? Nothing wrong with a mid tower, but that's too much stuff for one, unless you mod it so the panels are essentially an intake for a window ac unit or something. You might mount one of those HD's in an open 5.25 bay, it you mount them next to each other they are certainly not getting good air flow to cool them down. Of course you have a DVD and a CD-RW which pobably cause a similar situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernaut Posted May 2, 2002 Share Posted May 2, 2002 Yea 2 ata100 7200 rpm HDD,but I have 2 hard drive enclosures with 3 bays each near the bottom of the case and a fan mounted behind each and the drives are in seperate enclosures.I have 6 5 1/4 bays in the top half of the case with a HDD bay cooler between the cdrw and dvd.It's a 27" full tower server case with 7 fans {not including the fans in the drive bays}which keep things pretty cool.I don't have this problem with any other program. I did notice that JK2 by default was set to trilinear texture filter and anisotropic filtering on.I set the texture filter to bilinear and turned off anisotropic filtering and have had no overheating or lockups since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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