What the Hell?

[Cow_JK:O]

In response the the thread with the "You're a homo" picture and the guy talking like an idiot in caps:

 

You people make me sick. The first post was funny as hell but since when is it cool or appropriate to make fun of homosexuals?

 

Why is calling someone a 'homo' an insult? I'd love to hear this one.

[Mr. White]

That's funny, I thought this board was for Jedi Knight, or at least something that could be connected in six degrees. You got a personal problem with what people are saying, stick to e-mail and away from me.

Thank you,

Team Flawless

[Cow_JK:O]

Hmm who forced you to read this? And I think they started the off-topic-ness with the 'homo' comments.

[Hell Raiser]

"Why is calling someone a 'homo' an insult?"

 

Because homos/gays/fags/ect ect are a minority in today's world, and the majority of people think they're strange. For some obscure reason, if you're "not the norm" someone will eventually label you homo/gay/fag/ect ect. Since the majority isn't gay, being called said social choice is taken as an insult.

 

It's really a sign of immaturity, that's all. Pretty f'ed up if you ask me.

[Cow_JK:O]

Amen Hell Raiser. It was more of a rhetorical question, but you nailed it right on the head. Pretty f'cked up is right.

[ShadowCell]

Because homos/gays/fags/ect ect are a minority in today's world, and the majority of people think they're strange. For some obscure reason, if you're "not the norm" someone will eventually label you homo/gay/fag/ect ect. Since the majority isn't gay, being called said social choice is taken as an insult.

 

Welcome to my world. The fight to remain in the Norm feels like Pickett's charge sometimes, especially someone who tries and tries and still has no friends, like me. But that doesn't matter.

 

[sarcasm]Anyways, for that guy who typed in all caps, he has mastered the concept of using caps to make himself look more intelligent, as was pointed out elsewhere. TRY IT. THEY DO. FEEEEEEL THE SMARTNESS.[/sarcasm]

 

And remember: Age! Wisdom sold separately.

[Cow_JK:O]

It really is sick. Two of my best friends are gay and they are some of the nicest people I know. It makes no sense that people would discriminate against others merely because of a different social preference.

 

This miserable discrimination against people who are different is one of the worst things in the world today.

[Hell Raiser]

Originally posted by ShadowCell

And remember: Age! Wisdom sold separately.

 

 

It's funny because it's true.

[flatline-Z]

hmmm how to say this without stepping on toes....

 

i am in no way homophobic and have nothing against the homosexual preference. however, i often find myself using the term gay to describe something as being ridiculous. While it may have stemmed from a historically hateful nature, it is my belief that when people "gaybash" if you will, especially in forums over the internet in modern times, there is not a great need to dwell on it. face it -- it's a popular term in my generation's culture. While you may dub it immature, that is very narrowminded. I suggest that if you consider it such, that you be a bigger man and overlook it.

Perhaps it isn't "socially correct" to use this term to express negative feelings. Think about it though - most likely these are involuntary responses by people who cannot contrive a word to better express their feelings - nothing more. by bringing attention to this ignorance (i haven't read the post you're referring to, but i bet i can guess what it states), and forcing your views onto a different generation (my theory anyways), you are just putting salt into a wound - asking for a negative response from this individual and/or his supporters.

 

summary : LET IT GO

JUST A GAME | JUST AN ONLINE FORUM | NO BIG DEAL

[Cow_JK:O]

Originally posted by flatline-Z

hmmm how to say this without stepping on toes....

 

Think about it though - most likely these are involuntary responses by people who cannot contrive a word to better express their feelings - nothing more

 

You just summed up the complete immaturity of it. If you cant think of a better word than 'homo' or 'gay' then maybe you shouldn't be expressing your feelings at all.

 

There is absolutely no reason we should accept these comments as part of modern society. There is nothing modern about them. They respresent the immature reminents from a time of even worse discrimination.

 

The only way to get these sick comments and misunderstanding out of society's vocabulary is to fight them. They are simply wrong.

[Ae0N]

I love how homosexual's. gays, and lesbians hate being called that. What would they prefer we call them? The terms that are labeled on them are defined, therefore when you call a homo a 'homo' it should not be taken as an insult, you are simply calling them what they are... I don't take offense to being called 'white' or 'cauccasian'.

 

[Cow_JK:O]

Hmm how often do you hear someone say "You are a cauccasian!" as an insult? Just about never.

 

At what point did anyone say that homosexuals do not like being called gay? No, its the misuse of the world that sparks controversy.

 

When gay or homo is used in a derogatory manner, it implies that homosexuals are somehow worse and infereror to a normal person and therefore is an insult. That, my friend, is wrong.

[flatline-Z]

calm down -- sit back -- relax

 

no one's out to get you man. the whole point of my post was to try to explain that when people say "gay" or "homo" half the time they don't even think about it's "true" meaning. They are not using it in a derrogatory way -- in fact the term gay has almost been given a new definition. Never once when i say "gay" have i ever meant it in a slanderous or discriminatory manner.

 

i just think you need to have a little more tolerance for other people, and not take it so personally.

 

Im not here to fight with people, so if you want to reply to my comments in a civilized manner with an opposing viewpoint - feel free. But if you want to come off with a completely closed mind and no perspective, don't bother.

[Cow_JK:O]

Oh, please.

 

That in no way was a flame. I was simply stating that you were incorrect in your assumptions.

 

The fact of the matter is that those terms should not be in the everyday person's vocabulary as synomyms for 'stupid' or 'bad'. The only way to ever change that is to call them as they are seen. Granted, a great deal of people may not even think about what they mean, but that is the underlying problem. People dont even think about discrimination, they just do it.

 

Finally, how dare you call me closed-minded! The onyl closed-minded people out there are those unwilling to admit that the terms 'gay' and 'homo' in a derogatory sense were introduced through hatred and only promote it, conscious or not.

 

I'm not taking this to a personal level and I'm not trying to insult you, but this kind of crap must stop. 'bad' and 'gay' should not be synonomous.

[Hell Raiser]

I've realised that calling someone gay is basically the same as any insult. It shows a mark of immaturity on the users part. Instead of talking things out in a rational and civil matter, they feel the need to mudsling. It's as simple as that.

 

I've stepped in a stinky pile o' poo, and I feel I should leave.

 

As ShadowCell said, "And remember: Age! Wisdom sold separately."

[flatline-Z]

i encourage you to reread my post - i separated the last paragraph for any future responses. I was not directing that at your previous comment, nor did i dub it a "flame" which btw -- is also derived from a discriminatory origin .....

 

so like i said sit back & relax -- no one's out to get you.

next time you type make sure you have a valid response

[Cow_JK:O]

I would agree with that on the surface, Hell Raiser, but I think it goes deeper than that. As I said, the origin of mosts insults is not discriminatory. If you *MUST* insult someone, there are much better ways of getting your point across that look far more mature, more intelligent, and less offensive.

 

Treating 'gay' like any other insult only propagates the image of gay=bad. Lets try to avoid that, shall we?

 

EDIT: Oh, I saw the last paragraph. I'm oh-so-deeply sorry if you didn't find that response to meet your needs for 'validity'. And you call me closed minded. Oy.

 

As for flaming..oh give me a break. That has 3 degrees of separation from a discriminatory nature. There is a difference.

[dan-o2]

Countdown until tysoft shows up... 10, 9, 8...

[flatline-Z]

so shall we use gay to describe good? since gay is good?

 

you're statements are half-correct

the original definition for gay is happy.

why can't you see that there is more than one definition

and whether or not the user decides to apply the word in a positive, negative or neutral way is the real argument.

 

like i said previously - i use "gay" for a completely different purpose than someone using the word to put down homosexuals, and further different than it's original definition of happiness.

 

are you catching my drift here at all?

 

 

 

 

bah it's not worth it man -- hate the world -- i only responded in hopes of calmly discussing the matter so perhaps we could better see each others' perspectives. Now i am calling you closed minded. And this is my last post in this thread, as it seems my purpose can never be attained with you. Good night

[Teir]

Ahh relax alittle..

People of the age 13 and way up come here and express them self and i agree with flatline-Z. That sometimes "gay" will be brought up in a matter not related to a person. Like - "This new patch is so gay" . ( tho the patch isnt ).

 

...... but anyway, its a common word in the young cultur and nothing you say or do will ever change that. So lets chill abit, aright? - aright!

 

Teir out, PEACE!

 

[Hell Raiser]

Originally posted by Cow_JK:O

Treating 'gay' like any other insult only propagates the image of gay=bad. Lets try to avoid that, shall we?

 

*steps back into the stinky pile o' poo*

 

I do have to agree with that point. However, you can't change the fact that the majority of people do view gay as a bad thing. I could go on about how it's mainly "God fearing Christians" that instilled that into the brains of the majority, but I won't......

[Cow_JK:O]

Yes of course. You're points are as well half-valid.

 

Your use of gay is DIRECTLY DERIVED from a discriminating usage of the word.

 

The use of happy as another word for gay is perfectly acceptable. This was the original definition. Then it adopted a second definition of homosexual.

 

Both are perfectly acceptable. A classic example of a legit dual-definition.

 

Then we add in gay as 'stupid, dumb, bad, moron, etc.'. This is not a third usage, this is a mockery and discriminatory 'put-down' of the second definition, homosexual. Why do you use gay=bad? Because somehow society picked it up that way. This isn't just a third definition, this is a DEROGATORY EXPANSION on a second definition of a word. Its that simple.

 

EDIT: Hell Raiser: Quite right not to go there for sure I'm an athiest myself, and that right there is one of my reasons. I'm glad you agree though, and I certainly agree with and admit that there isn't much that can be done, but every bit helps.

 

EDIT AGAIN: This really is no longer in any way personally directed at you Flatline, your response was very valid in my opinion though I disagree halfway.

 

EDIT AGAIN: The 'boys will be boys' attitude is a step in the wrong direction. If we ever can so much as hope to change anything we as a society must take on a different attitude towards the subject. This doesn't mean being as zealous as I, but we cant just sit around and accept it. I suppose that attitude works for some people but I find that form of passiveness unacceptable.

[flatline-Z]

AS I HAVE STATED NEARLY 389532758237582357 times

 

i do not use it in a way that i view as negative. Furthermore,

the term gay, whether you like it or not, has adopted another definition. I'm not saying look for it in webster's, but dont be so naive.

 

I have a friend who is korean that just learned english a few years ago. He uses the word "gay" as i do - explain to me how there is no such definition for the word.

 

and lastly - if i was homosexual, and used the word the same way, tell me how that is wrong. It's not like other slanderous terms such as racial slurs for blacks, chinese, mexicans, etc.

the word genuinely has other definitions. C-O-P-E

 

[edit: im done -- for real this time! ]

[Cow_JK:O]

It *IS* like other slanderous terms, however it has 3 definitions (I'll give you this one). One being happy, which is nearly out of use, one being homosexual, the generally accepted use, and one being 'bad' the derogatory use. When used the third way, its just as bad as those other sladerous terms.

 

Otherwise, there is absolutely ***NOTHING*** wrong with it. If someone isn't using it to represent negative emotion then there is nothing inappropriate. My entire point is that the derogatory usage should not be USED.

 

And please, dont tell me to 'cope' because that is the biggest load of utter crap. I refuse to cope with that definition just as any african-american should refuse to cope with '******', etc.

 

Yes it has multiple definitions (albeit one is more of an expansion on another, it still can be counted as another definition), I am taking out one definition and commenting on it. That is all.

 

EDIT: And pardon me, I had thought you did, somewhere, say that you used it negatively. My apologies. Oh and I'm done for the night.

[Tree]

Originally posted by Cow_JK:O

In response the the thread with the "You're a homo" picture and the guy talking like an idiot in caps:

 

You people make me sick. The first post was funny as hell but since when is it cool or appropriate to make fun of homosexuals?

 

Why is calling someone a 'homo' an insult? I'd love to hear this one.

 

Calling someone a homo is an insult because you are saying "hey you like to stick your fireman into other mens *******s."

 

Did you think it was a compliment?

 

Most guys joke with their friends about being un-masculine. Like joking that their wife keeps them on a leash.

 

Sticking your penis in another mans ass is about as un-masculine as it gets.

 

Did you really need this explained?

Sounds like someone just really wanted to stir up trouble.

 

However I don't think Homosexual women are an insult. They are beautiful things. Well most of them look like guys in real life. But the porn lesbos....... ohh mama.