Ardesco Posted May 8, 2002 Share Posted May 8, 2002 Well, I saw a lot more use of the backstab maneuver in combat compared to when the patch was released. Apparently, it's very effective in breaking defenses, especially when people huddle together in a mass ffa saber only fight. The entire animation can be blocked until the very last moment, where it somehow manages to slice through you. Since yellow and red backstab has such large swingaround, you can control it a little via the mouse. So now, whenever I run into an opponent who isn't facing me, he's more of a liability for me to engage him than for me to attack him as before (somehow, in yellow stance, you tend to block better if you're being attacked from behind and to the right-though I've only tried this with about 2 afk people). However, I think I was probably being especially stupid when I happened to engage some of these people, especially considering that the move has to be executed when you're behind someone. The ever so popular 'push and slice for a kill' hasn't died down, from what I've seen, especially since most red users have to find some way to compensate for their neutered dfa. Also, is it just me, or do saber attacks seem to get by saber defenses more often than before in the patch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcdavel Posted May 9, 2002 Share Posted May 9, 2002 Their workaround IS the backslash, just pull you down and do the backslash and wham, you are dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crybos Posted May 9, 2002 Share Posted May 9, 2002 Yeah, alot of people are using Backstab now. They will push you to the groung and backstab you. I use backstab at times, but I don't push to the ground, only to the person who does it to me. The actually need to fix backstab too. One thing, they may want to make it so you can't move round once you stab, and another thing I found a problem with it. Some kid backstabed another kid, so I was going to backstab the kid, but I died, while I was infront of him. That has happend to me actually several times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardesco Posted May 9, 2002 Author Share Posted May 9, 2002 Actually, from a few preliminary tests, I've seen and actually blocked overhead attacks by orienting my lightsaber while I was still down. One thing that perturbs me, however, is that the yellow and red backstab seem to be unblockable. I haven't done any testing with blue stance backstab yet. What I would really like to know is if the backstab somehow became more unblockable because of this patch, or if it always was this way. (the reason this came to my attention was because I recently entered an ffa server, and the top frag players all used backstab more than a few times to dice someone in two). it seems that even if my saber is oriented to block them while standing still, the backstab animation goes straight through you, with the lightsaber beam usually exiting through one's shoulders. I was, however, successful in killing quite a few saber people by sabering them before they did the full spinaround and jab. What makes it somewhat difficult though is the fact that in order for me to stop it, they need to be at low health, and that move in particular, though somewhat nerfed in damage from last patch (where a single yellow backstab would leave you with single digit health), the new yellow backstab can still take off at least 75 + damage in yellow stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigglypoof Posted May 9, 2002 Share Posted May 9, 2002 I believe i was the one who played with who and used backstab the most. I haven't noticed much of a difference except it seems stronger. Before the patch i used it just as much and it was great. Im not sure about light stance backstab, thats like impossible to hit people with in a heated battle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitzwilliamd Posted May 9, 2002 Share Posted May 9, 2002 I did some spectating on a few servers today (taking notes on the new game mechanics-- and I use the term loosely ) and did see a trend of pull/backslash one hit kills. Some of the individuals were actually running around backwards into crowds trying to rack up points. Effective, I suppose, but a bit redundant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GosU-ChoBo Posted May 9, 2002 Share Posted May 9, 2002 Woah... Ardesco... Just played with you earlier today. I helped you waste your turn to conduct an experiment... o_O Anyway. Yes, backstab has become far more used, and far more useful. Generally it's the light stance backstab which is used, in my experience, at any rate. I'm not exactly sure why... Maybe because light stance has become so much more effective and useful in the new patch, since the other two have been toned down. It's starting to become something along the lines of a new DFA, though I don't think it's quite as evil as DFA spamming was before the patch. It's not quite as bad as the DFA anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ardesco Posted May 9, 2002 Author Share Posted May 9, 2002 No, it certainly isn't as bad as dfa, since it won't kill you if you're at full health to begin with. Yes, thank you very much for killing me a few times to determine some things about weapons damage. The backstab, incidentally, was just a whim on my part since I've never seen a backstab used properly in 1.02. Anyways, the backstab does seem to do less damage than the patch, where yellow in close combat, and almost always red backstab were both fatal if done properly. However, yellow this time has about 2x the strength of a normal yellow saber hit. I've also noticed it seems alot harder to get a reasonable figure for the amount of damage each stance did, since apparently the change to the starting and ending damage of a saber hit is reduced, attacks which cover a greater area of the body (such as a diagonal or vertical overhead) seems to do more damage than a side swipe. This is just guessing on my part, but it would account for why saber damage is no longer a set "figure" based on the number of times someone sabered you. That, along with the very TINY amount of damage done by saber touching at least for me gave me very unreliable data for the amount of damage each stance did per hit. Also, as a useful counter for dfa, if the dfa-er lands right next to you, you can backstab with red and do major damage. Also, since you can swivel the blade around slightly like with the old dfa, you can probably hit them if they're trying to jump away (especially if you're VERY close). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyth'emos Posted May 9, 2002 Share Posted May 9, 2002 backstap is the next DFA, I have seen may people spaming it already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcdavel Posted May 9, 2002 Share Posted May 9, 2002 Red backstab will most certainly kill you with full health. So will blue if you take the entire stab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nattydred Posted May 9, 2002 Share Posted May 9, 2002 I noticed it working today but it always happened sort of by accident when I did it. I did see a guy trying to back into everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bambers Posted May 9, 2002 Share Posted May 9, 2002 It was very unblockable in 1.02 and while the blockability of everything else has gone up. The backstab still seems relativly unblockable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigglypoof Posted May 9, 2002 Share Posted May 9, 2002 Well i just started to play the new patch yesterday. It is a LOT easier for me to kill people now, if i walk into a big saber fight with 2+ people, i will kill at least 2 people. I get a lot of double kills, sometimes triple kills with the red stance backstab. Since it takes me like more than 3 slashes with red stance to kill people, its pointless to even try, i just backstab and i usually kill them in one hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orangina_Rouge Posted May 10, 2002 Share Posted May 10, 2002 This game is totally boring now ....ppl just pull/push and backstab No way to have interesting saber fights if one move totally break the rules Raven set up for this patch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Mormegil Posted May 10, 2002 Share Posted May 10, 2002 This patch makes the Jedi Master game type just cry out to be played ( never was my thnig but its gotten mighty appealing ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Mormegil Posted May 10, 2002 Share Posted May 10, 2002 forgot to say why; Only one backstab/slash spammer at a time on any server Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MessiahErebus Posted May 10, 2002 Share Posted May 10, 2002 Move is powerful...lets fix it...in fact, lets just keep nerfing moves, so we can find ones that work, and nerf them some more...so in the end, there is one saber move, and it can be like JK all over again... Are you people all blind? or just drunk? If you take away everything that works, you are left with nothing. Next it'll be that brutal left slash, then the jump and right slash...and then kicks will go....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EekTheKat Posted May 10, 2002 Share Posted May 10, 2002 Oops... Heh should've posted this here : http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52441 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThingAhMajig Posted May 10, 2002 Share Posted May 10, 2002 The backstab was always useful. its the same as it was before the patch. Many people didn't think of using it since they were too busy spamming DFA and was easier to execute. While the rest were spamming DFA in v 1.02, I was busy spamming backstabs. I admit, yeah I will utilize anything and everything I can to kill you as fast as I can but the point is to find them first and realize its potential. Any follow-up posts to this... yes im lazy... yes im a spammer, yes im cheap. Instead of complaining... since backstab Spamming is not going to stop (perhaps till the next patch)... find a new loophole. Exploit it till masses of newbies race to catch up to you. tip for all you backstab spammers... spin with the backstab, you can catch more ppl that way. Now I have new cheap moves till they are duplicated everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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