Can we edit Obi Wan?

[Guest Captain_Ramen]

If that's your view Ink, then Kurgan should stop overblowing his importance and holding himself out as a leader of this community.

[Guest Ikhnaton]

drednott, you're cruisin' for a bruisin, bucko.

 

Argath, I think that's a hefty statement to make, that he is propogating a lie. From what I read, it looked to me as if he was only passing on information he had heard from viable sources. It did not look as if he was passing it as scripture.

 

Captain Ramen Noodle, what do you suggest a leader of these forums should do, then? Even forum leaders can be wrong about things. Being an admin does not automatically entail infallibility or a knowledge of everything under the sun.

 

like I said before, stick with the topic, and lay off the personal insults. Kurgan is only trying to help out. He doesn't have to. Being an admin also does not entail a requirement to contribute to conversations. Someone asked if we would be able to edit OB1. Kurgan said yes. That's true, non? Like I said before, if you don't like Kurgan's answer, do your own damn research. I don't remember Kurgan saying it was the only way, just a way.

 

If you don't like Kurgan's leadership here, then i suggest you go somewhere else. He has been around here a long time and has done a kickass job of administrating these forums, usually by himself. He's a patient and easy going guy who lets a lot of stuff slide. Argath, you should know this more than anyone else here, at least out of everyone who has contributed in this thread.

 

I, on the other hand, am not as patient as Kurgan. I don't like to put up with BS.

 

Think about it, people. What is the crux of this argument? It's about which program or utility will be able to edit OB1. Big effing deal! So one does and another doesn't. So 3dsmax is not the only way to edit it. So what? Is it really worth getting into such a heated argument where everyone is mudslinging? If you're going to argue, try to do it civilized. I'm all in favor of that. I like a good discussion/debate. UNLESS it starts turning personal, then I switch on the evil admin mode and start closing threads and whatnot. I hate doing that. I hate having to solve problems using brute force. That's why I want you all to solve it yourself. Get back on topic. Get off the insults.

[Guest Argath]

3DS Max is not a way to edit it, period. Kurgan has repeatedly said it will be the best way or the only way to edit the game despite being told numerous times that he's wrong. If he wants to make such bold declarations, he should at least take the time to do a little research to confirm his information before involving himself in a discussion over it. This is not the first time he's commented on a topic in complete ignorance and refused to admit he's wrong, and regardless of his positiion in the community, it's unacceptable, irresponsible behavior.

 

All I'm asking is that he takes a few minutes to learn a bit about the subject before arguing over it. A simple, "Thanks for correcting me," rather than a lengthy justification or dissertation of why he can't be wrong would go a long way in stopping arguments.

 

[This message has been edited by Argath (edited June 26, 2000).]

[Guest Captain_Ramen]

That's exactly it Ink... Kurgan thinks he is a community leader, even though all he does is admin some forums in a section of a community that doesn't seem to interact very much with the other parts.

[Guest Ikhnaton]

well, if kurgan is holding so tightly to his opinion, and you know you are right, why not be the bigger person and just let it go insead of stubbornly waiting for him to apologize? that's the number one cause of feuds between family, friends, etc. Each side is waiting for the other to apologize, and it just won't happen.

 

if you know you're right, you've won. you lose if you wait around for him to apologize and don't let it go.

 

Ramen, once does not need to participate in every forum to be a forum leader.

 

and my name is not "Ink". if you wish to use a nickname, Ikh is acceptable, or you may use Ike, which most people use already.

[Guest dreddnott]

I prefer Ick. Which is how I feel when I see the completely ignorant loudmouth Kurgan barging through the forums (an admin no less).

 

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[Guest Nob Akimoto]

Ike, not to insult your ability, but in this case I highly think you're overmatched.

 

Frankly I find Kurgan's manner of irresponsbility when it comes to his so-called "knowledge" to be sickening, both from the point of being an end-user would normally wind up having to take his "word" and also from the point of view of being (arguably) a community leader myself.

 

If he has information on How LEC created their levels, that's fine. However making un-informed assumptions Based around this information, especially when the assumption involves a great deal of financial strain to one, is incredibly irresponsible and the Last thing a respectable news or otherwise information broker should do. A good pinacle of this is usually articles on ZDnet. They're poorly researched, littered with assumptions and incredibly stupidly put together.(Admittingly however even the worst ZDnet articles, such as theirs on overclocking might still be significantly better than Kurgan)

 

What I merely stress, is the fact that if he wants to proclaim himself a community leader, He Must make educated, and well informed assumptions, instead of half-assed ones based on non-existant, fractual and incorrect knowledge.

[Guest Argath]

Kurgan's "opinion" is constructed of incorrect assumptions derived from nonexistant knowledge of misinterpreted official information. It's not an opinion, but an unsubstantiated formulation completely lacking any factual or logical basis. I'm being the "bigger person" by attempting to explain my position intelligently and civilly rather than simply pointing out that Kurgan is an ignorant halfwit who's barely qualified for using a computer, let alone theorizing on complex matters like game editing. Frankly, it's hard to stay civil when I'm being bombarded with irrational arguments intertwined with threats of using administrative power against me for pointing out the ridiculously false information Kurgan is posting.

 

All I ask is that he ceases posting and arguing over the validity of false information without learning a bit about the subject first. I don't understand what's wrong with my request, or why I am being so vehemently opposed.

 

[This message has been edited by Argath (edited June 26, 2000).]

[Guest dreddnott]

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Are you guys using lots of fancy words in hopes that you'll short-circuit their brains?

 

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[Guest Ikhnaton]

Argath, why lower yourself to his level is he's the one in the wrong?

 

You all seem to want Kurgan to admit he is in the wrong. Ganging up on him like this is not the way to do it.

 

you wanna talk editing of OB1? talk amongst yourselves. if Kurgan is wrong, then leave him out. It's very simple.

 

calling someone ignorant, arrogant, not fit to be a community leader, etc etc is not going to solve anything.

 

please try to get this topic back on track. i don't want to see anymore personal insults thrown around, or i will be forced to close the thread.

[Guest Orbvs_Terrarvm]

Haha all of you guys are ganging up on Kurgan but actually he is the winner because you guys can't drop it. He hasn't even posted in a while and you guys are still waiting on him to come back in here a apologize.

 

[Guest Dave Maul]

He's right guys. Let it go. The topic question has been answered. They'll probably be more information when the game is a few weeks from release.

 

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Dave Maul

[Guest Argath]

Nodoby cares if Kurgan apologizes or admits he's wrong.

 

He hasn't even replied to the thread in several days, which would appear to be an acknowledgement that he is completely incorrect. The only reason this thread is continuing is because you insist on arguing and misinterpreting practically every point that has been made. Rather than lecture the rest of us about being "bigger people", be one yourself by leaving the thread, and the arguments and insults will quickly disappear.

 

[This message has been edited by Argath (edited June 27, 2000).]

[Guest sickboy2k]

Everyone here is assuming too many things in my opinion. OBI1 is a 3dfps stylee game which uses a 3d engine. This is v. likely going to follow the traditional, engine, models, sounds, code, levels theme. If so then we can guess that new levels and mods can be created. The software needed for this is NEVER limited to 1 program in particular, even if u have to make it urself!!!

 

 

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[Guest Ikhnaton]

kurgan hasn't replied because he is out of town, argath.

 

just cool your jets, dude.

[Guest dreddnott]

Your debating style of posting irrelevant, senseless, completely unrelated rubbish is surprisingly successful; it appears that everyone simply got tired of attempting to logically argue with an irrational, ignorant, semi-literate, overemotional jackass like yourself, so they simply ceased replying. I'm sure Kurgan is proud. I doubt he's really out of town, where can you go in Iowa? I bet he's so proud, in fact, that he hasn't bothered to post because you embody his essence.

 

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[Guest Ikhnaton]

dreddnott, you a lawyer or something? your overuse of ad hominems in your arguments would lead me to believe so.

 

you obviously listen to none but yourself.

 

just keep it up, tough guy. So far you have personally attacked both admins here. if you have any interest in staying here at all (which, from your profile i would gather that you don't), you better cut it the hell out. You don't know me well enough to say ANY of those things you said.

 

 

 

[This message has been edited by Ikhnaton (edited June 29, 2000).]

[Guest Argath]

I had assumed that the lack of replies was an acknowledgement that he finally realized how stupid and ignorant his comments were. Regardless of why he isn't replying now, it would be nice if he stayed out of this and other, similar threads in the future, because he's obviously not qualified for such discussion.

[Guest Dave Maul]

Come on guys, cut it out. Kurgan's an admin, and all it takes is a few clicks to shut you out of the forums. Show the man some respect.

 

Come to think of it, I've forgotten the main points of this post. Why are you arguing? Because Kurgan said that you could only edit the game with one tool? So what? Fine, he may have made a mistake, and I'm sure he'll apologise to you when he gets back. But why drag this debate out? Just let it go.

 

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Dave Maul

[Guest Argath]

Read the thread. He won't even admit he's wrong, despite overwhelming, knowledgable opposition, so I doubt he'll suddenly decide to come back and apologize.

 

If he feels the need to apologize for misleading people, it's nice to see that he's decided to take responsibility for his actions. If not, I really don't care. I don't want an apology; I'm simply asking that he refrains from making uneducated comments on subjects he knows nothing about.

[Guest Captain_Ramen]

That's funny, because that's the other problem with Kurgan... a while ago, around redesign #5, he used to lock any thread that criticized him personally.

 

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[Guest Ikhnaton]

this thread is going nowhere. if you wish to start another topic on editing, feel free.