Fatninja Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 How powerful do ya'll think that the backstab should be? I think it should be strong, but take 4 hits at least to kill a new-spawned person, that way it would be useful in combos but not be an over-powerful attack. What do you think? Also, is there like a petition to sign or anything to make them get rid of the current backstab? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyPrancer Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 hitting someone from behind you should certainly not be the most powerful move in the game, but frankly, if they change the game again, I'm going to stop playing it...see how they feel about that. oh, wait...they already have my ****ing money and me ceasing to play it will make no difference what so ever to them. way to make MAJOR GAMEPLAY CHANGES when our power as consumers has expired, raven. GOD-DAMMMMMM. -HP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Wind Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 bring back 1.02 is the moral of the story... but with eax *thumbs up* bait and switch is just plain stealing, raven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeDan Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 You can't really call it bait and switch when they aren't making much of a profit from it. I think it is sad that people are taking their anger out on the name of the makers of the game. They are only trying to make people happy. They can't magically find a way to make the game appeal to everyone. Most game mods go through many betas and change many things, this is or should be no different. I don't like the current backstab either but it doesn't mean that I think everyone at raven is stupid or that they are trying to rip me off. I think they've come very far. They certainly have raised the bar for games in my eyes. I've never played a FPS that had so much action on so many different levels while maintaining a strong story (not the best in the JK series but better than quake or doom). I just think that people who play the game just want to get ahead through any means. I even find myself backstabbing and trying to knock people over, just so I can try and get a couple kills in my constant streak of deaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingman Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 I agree with Dan At least they're making another patch. Don't complain until you see the changes in the next patch at least. What stinks is if you buy a game such as Earth 2150 and it's the buggiest game ever and it's never patched at all. THAT'S WHEN YOU COMPLAIN. Don't complain when they're trying to fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyPrancer Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 but that's what patches are for...fixing bugs. It's absolutely rediculous to change core game mechanics with a patch. The game should be balanced BEFORE RELEASE. -HP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingman Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 I agree but until it's not profitable to release buggy games, it's gonna be done. The only way for that to happen is for people just to stop buying games (and it has to be a large number of people). Plus they have to know why people aren't buying the game in the first place. Reviews nowadays don't really list bugs most of the time. They'll say if a game is ruined by bugs but all reviewests seem to look past bugs as long as it doesn't totally ruin the game. So, with no way to know exactly what bugs exist without trial and error, there are always gonna be those people that buy the game the first day it comes out. Making it profitable for companies to release buggy games on the planned release date because it has a lot of hype and will sell anyway --A buck today is worth more tomorrow --Society as a whole is dumb and naive. A good seller can sell binoculars to a blind man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Con. Snake Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 People wanted Saber fighting more like SP: They got it. People wanted better blocking: They got it. People wanted certain force powers toned down: They got it. People wanted the DFA toned down: They got it. You guys wanted it and you got it. Now you're still bitching and crying about it like little girls. Except now its about backstabs and what not - But they are just as they were in 1.02a. It's pathetic. No, its not pathetic, you people just aren't happy unless you're bitching about something. That is what's pathetic. Except for very few things, they only did what people asked them to do. Be careful what you wish for, it may come back to bite you in the ass. You reap what you sew. Suck it up and adapt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G0G0GadgetForce Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 I am not usually one for nerfing a move, but I think we need to discourage players from running around backwards! Make the backstab as powerful as the blue lunge and its perfect. I hate watching everyone running around backwards. It kills the star wars feel. You would think it would leave you totally defenseless, but with the saber auto blocking now defaulted on at the serve you can run around backwards and kill in one hit without much worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutek Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 Actually, the BS move had it's damage ramped up significantly for the blue stance (and AFAIK, ONLY the blue stance). The other two simply "hit" at several points in the animation, thereby doing a bucket of damage. I can live with people running around backwards like headless chickens. I just laugh, because it's FUNNY. Eventually they may learn, but I care not, because I know how to avoid/deal with them (even if I'm not 100% successful). The ones that REALLY get on my wick are the pull/backstabbers. It's annoying to have someone constantly pulling you till you fal flat, then they BS you. (before you start jumping on me, I know all the counters, but it doesn't stop it being annoying). If the animation/move was altered so it could no longer hit people lying down and or getting up, then half the problem would vanish. Reducing the damage won't make the problem go away - it's just mean they have to do it more often, which isn't any better at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Wind Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 happy prancer said it best. patches are for bugs. i dont understand how some of you can be so hypocritical. you say its not bait and switch, but then you go on to say that raven makes a profit off of crappy bugs. then you liken the unbalances in 1.03 to bugs, which they are certinly not. 1.03 has new game mechanics. freezing in 1.03 is a bug. ammo depletion was a mistake. invisible absorb is ludacris. i am so frightened of the new patch its not even funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutek Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 Ammo depletion is a mistake? You think everyone should have infinite ammo? Why? THAT'S ludicrous. Invisible absorb was necessary - it had not practical use before apart from breaking grip, or if you had someone who inisted on using lightning. At least it shows up if you hit them with a force power. granted absorb may last for too long now, but the previous setting was also too fast. Again that made it worthless. Why do I get this feeling you love grip/lightning and guns? Just a hunch. i'm not saying anything bad about either, just making a guess based on your statments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inviction Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 I agree, Make backstab as powerful as the forward lunge for all stances and it will be fine, Also sort the animation, so it hits once mebbe twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Wind Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 i play ffa ff. i play dark and light. i use sabers and guns. i have a very good, in depth understanding of this game and its balance. that was the reason for absorb. not to cripple the dark arsenol, but to work as a device to descourage them from using lightning, drain, and grip. by ammo depletion, i was being unclear. how about, "increasing the ammo depletion rate?" make more sense? and yes, it was a mistake. an invisible absorb only helps gunners far more than you realize. it becomes a game of keeping distance from one another as there becomes no viable counter for guns and not an even playing field. yes i play dark. i play dark and i use lightning and grip and guns and sabers. i used to play light, but it was too easy and most average players couldnt begin to counter anything i did. why do i get the feeling that you only play with sabers, bitched about dfa, force and guns, and have no real idea what your talking about in terms of balance outside of a 1v1 duel match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALIEN_JL Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 How powerfull backstab should be ??? Well currently it seems to be "slowmotion" unblockable instakill move... I think it should be normal speed quite easily blockable instakill move so it should be used as a finishing move after you have knocked down enemy saber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutek Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 why do i get the feeling that you only play with sabers, bitched about dfa, force and guns, and have no real idea what your talking about in terms of balance outside of a 1v1 duel match? I'm sorry, but I have to laugh at that. If you care to look over some of the old pre-patch posts you'll see I was in fact a strong proponenet of the DFA, on the grounds that it was so laughably easy to dodge (Though I concur that the hitbox was a problem) Granted I did complain about Drain being overpowered, but that was my only real objection to any of the force powers. I now think that drain is UNDER powered, as are most of the dark side powers (this despite playing light side almost exclusively). The only game types I DON'T play on are Jedi Master and Holocron FFA types, mostly because finding a server with a decent ping of those types is surprisingly hard. I do play duel, I also duel in ffa game, but exclusively? No. I *do* prefer saber only games, but I like the saber combat aspect of JK2, if I wanted to play Q3, I would have (ew). As a result, I tend to stick to saber only servers. Problem? Under the circumstances you described, Absorb does indeed seem too powerful. the fact I had not encountered it is only because I, as stated before, tend towards saber only servers (but not exclusively) Thank you for clarifying the thing about ammo depletion. It was certainly unclear the first time. From the experience I've had, ammo depletion rates don't seem to be a problem, but feel free to ignore this, since I PATENTLY don't know what I'm talking about :> Nathan, I was not trying to insult you, but clearly I have, that was not my intention and I apologise. I should really flame you in response your undeserved attack, but I think the fact that you have so clearly stuck your foot in your mouth will instead satisfy my indignation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALIEN_JL Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 Force powers..... Go there --> http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=57378 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epyon9283 Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 Originally posted by Con. Snake People wanted Saber fighting more like SP: They got it. People wanted better blocking: They got it. People wanted certain force powers toned down: They got it. People wanted the DFA toned down: They got it. You guys wanted it and you got it. Now you're still bitching and crying about it like little girls. Except now its about backstabs and what not - But they are just as they were in 1.02a. It's pathetic. No, its not pathetic, you people just aren't happy unless you're bitching about something. That is what's pathetic. Except for very few things, they only did what people asked them to do. Be careful what you wish for, it may come back to bite you in the ass. You reap what you sew. Suck it up and adapt. Damn straight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KungFuJM Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 Stop crying you lamers and deal.. I have found ways to counter everything you guys are constantly bitching about.. OMG just learn to play.. Raven excellent game before the patch.. Excellent game after the patch.. Keep up the good work and if you change it again in 1.04 I will adapt. Thanks, KFJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Wind Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 lol, sure sutek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Begger Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 GOD you guys make me sick, You complainers about backstab are the EXACT same fuc*king people who compliained about DFA and heavy being too strong and all that crap. YOU CREATED backstab to be like this. YOU WANTED the saber strength to be toned down so they did, and now THAT's why runnign around backwards is possible. If you did that in 1.02 you would have DIED, like YOU SHOULD HAVE. You guys have nothing better to do than complain when you lose. Instead, why don't you take an hour out of your complaining mouth and go and learn how to counter these moves. GOD , just SHUT UP already and STOP making this game worse and worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sutek Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 Nathan Wind, I'm not going to bother arguing this any further. If you choose not to believe the truth, go ahead. I've tried to apologise for my unintentional insult, I conceded where you were correct, and didn't even resort to garbled swearing of the l33t style. Flaming me will only make me stronger. Besides, I originally only posted my thoughts on potential alterations to the BS move, I for one will continue to play the game whether Raven choose to patch it again or not. I simply don't mind, and I'll adapt to whatever changes it throws up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Wind Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 me too. only it seems that thats where the friction comes in. and that was some apology before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Begger Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 You guys kiss and make up now...LOL...we need a strnog presence here guys...those who thought 1.02 was better than 1.03..we gotta send those emails so whiners don't get the upper hand...goddamn it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Begger Posted May 28, 2002 Share Posted May 28, 2002 JEDI OUTCAST - EPISODE 2 - ATTACK OF THE WHINERS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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