Toonces Posted January 29, 2003 Share Posted January 29, 2003 I love how everybody resorts to personal attacks rather than arguing facts, but your all free to have your opinion. I seem to remember reading somewhere that the great John F. Kenedy had an IQ under 100. I have to see if I can dig up that article somewhere. Anyway, say what you will about President Bush's foreign policy, but lets clear some thing up. Clinton road the Technology boom in the early 90's, which started btw after the Republicans took back congress, and the "Contract with America" was crafted. It's been widely documented that the Recession started six months Before Clinton left office. Bush "inherited" a stagnent economy. On the Iraq issue, perhaps you forgot about the Inspectors getting thrown out in 98? And Clinton gearing up to go to war before succumbing to international pressure? If Clinton would have properly handled the situation we would not be in the position we are in today. On your point about his "affair" For me at least it had nothing to do with his little fling with Monica, and everything to do with Lieing under oath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowTemplar Posted January 29, 2003 Share Posted January 29, 2003 Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan I dont seem to hear anything about what grounds we're proposing to fight Iraq for. 'Cause there are no grounds so far. Mr. Blix says that he wants more time... I say that we give him more time... Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan Clinton was all around on of the better president of our time, and yet people cannot look past his affair Which looks silly to me as a European. BTW: Does the average American still remember the name Lawinsky? Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan we didnt hate everyone and Vice Versa (they didnt hate us). Oh, I think that the same people hated you, alright, they just hadn't showed it. After all hatred doesn't just crop up spontaneously. Even if it is nurtured it still takes time. Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan I swear no one remembers how badly the economy is doing because you will always see a "WAR IN IRAQ EMINENT" Headline. Hmmm. Scary... That the human memory can be that short... Then again, I see that every day in school. Originally posted by Crazy_Ivan They even went on to say we could a 2 front war. Germany paid the price of that 2 times! It seems we will be the next. Germany didn't have nuclear weapons. I don't believe that the US can ever truely lose a war... But they may lose their democracy (or what's left of it, if it ever was there). And there is also a looong way from not losing to actually winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breton Posted January 29, 2003 Share Posted January 29, 2003 Originally posted by Toonces On the Iraq issue, perhaps you forgot about the Inspectors getting thrown out in 98? And Clinton gearing up to go to war before succumbing to international pressure? If Clinton would have properly handled the situation we would not be in the position we are in today. [/b] Sure, blame Clinton for everything Anyways, Clinton did exactly what you are supposed to do in such matters, if you want war, but all the rest of the world don't want war, then don't make war. US is losing all their allies when they do such things as this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_Ivan Posted January 29, 2003 Share Posted January 29, 2003 Foreign Policy, especially for the U.S., should never include Brinkmanship. In other words, war should not be the way to solve ways. Its not diplomatic. Besides, people threatened war to solve problems in World War I......which led to World War II.....and most of the other wars....and Brinkmanship has always been used. For the most part, I dont think it works only to piss the other countries off even more. So in short, I believe the U.S. cant go around saying we'll war anything with nuclear weapons. Especially without giving the U.N. their time to shine. I tell you....pissing off the United Nations isnt exactly the best thing that Bush could have done when he said if they couldn't deal with Iraq, we will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_Ivan Posted January 29, 2003 Share Posted January 29, 2003 Let Hans Blix (coool name) Actually do his work......cause this man has been sitting around getting paid for nothing since 98. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunClown Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 I've spoken to a couple of Iraqis and they say that noone there likes Hussain except for those high up who can profit and live the good life courtesy of Hussain. So I think if there is war, while Iraqis dislike Hussain they will still defend their country because that is part of a citizens psyche. You don't want countries invading your territory its only natural. Its interesting when I was talking to one of them last time and he was telling me about how one of his friends was conscripted (you are conscripted for two years after leaving school/turning 18, forget which) and he was finishing his two years and he told me how his superiors liked him and wanted him to stay on and become an officer or something. So he had a dillema because of being close to war and not having much else going for him. The guy I spoke to got out of conscription because he was studying at uni. I must admit, its a very tough situation for the Iraqi people at the moment whom I don't think your quarrel should be with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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