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2 hours ago, LuigiHann said:

 

It definitely didn't bother me that there are hotspots not tied to puzzles... in fact, I prefer it, since the games where every single interaction ultimately ties into a puzzle, the world ends up feeling small. I liked that there was stuff that only existed for worldbuilding or characterization. 

 

 

I agree. Even if they're not gameplay relevant they make the world more tangible. I don't have numbers to prove it but I think LucasArts adventure games tended to have fewer interactable hotspots compared to games from other studios (for example, look at some of early 90's Sierra games where there isn't a single pixel in a room that doesn't have some sort of text description), perhaps to reduce players wasted time using everything on everything when they're stuck on a puzzle and don't know what to do next. Their worlds felt less rich as a result of it. Puzzles in adventure games aren't satisfying to solve for the most part - there's no out of the box creative problem solving like emergent sandbox games - so I'd rather that they stay on lite side and give as many interactable (or "look-at"able) hotspots/items as possible that are not tied to puzzles.

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1 hour ago, NightWalker said:

I couldn't figure the solution out either. Does anybody know how the puzzle works? I saw a kind of tombstone or stone with instructions (something about 4 years, steps to the right and the left)... but I cound't find the solution. As you, I tried every possible combination to solve the puzzle.

 

I had to resort to hint for this puzzle. Upon reading the solution, my reaction was neither "aha why didn't I think of that" nor "I never would've thought of that", but worse - it was "I tried that already!" I might have miscounted or did in the wrong order?

 

It was perhaps my least favourite puzzle which is unfortunate because it's the very last puzzle and left the impression that it didn't quite stick the landing.

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The controls were great. Probably the best implementation of gamepad controls I've seen in a point & click adventure.

 

If I had one thing to nitpick, I never fully got the hang of inventory - I'm not sure how it could've been done better/differently, but every time I had to dismiss the inventory screen after grabbing an item, or cancel grab to grab a different item, I had to pause for a few sec and think about which button to press (or just mash B until everything is clear and start over).

 

Also whenever I finished interacting with a hotspot, all the hotspot would disappear until I moved Guybrush, so I'd often have to keep wiggling the left analog stick if I'm near multiple hotspots, but I think that's just a bug.

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I finally finished the game last night. My read of the ending was similar to what some of you noted already, in that it's mainly a meta thing. Not necessarily "Guybrush was in a theme park all along", but rather that it's the players that have been on a ride (called The Secret of Monkey Island). And each game in the series is different just like how your childhood favourite ride is updated and different each time you revisit as an adult years apart.

 

Anyway I liked the ending, though it felt abrupt and not necessarily connected to the rest of the game.

 

13 hours ago, KestrelPi said:

I liked that they used Elaine to explore the idea of Guybrush's selfishness in going for his goals. I wish they'd leant into that a little bit MORE but I think it made sense for her to be the character that needled him a little for that, given that she has been on the receiving end of it a couple of times.

Yeah I thought this was what the entire game was going to be about. Like, the secret has something to do with the blind pursuit of (former) glory leading to lives ruined, big confrontation at the end, lesson learned, character arc resolved, etc. I don't know if it's an unfinished plot thread or maybe a meta reflection on the developers (or the players)...

 

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I'm just glad that they didn't bring back Orson Scott Card to help with the writing.

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If they're holding back release for marketing reasons even though the game is already done...

ooooh I'm so mad.

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18 minutes ago, BillyCheers said:

Ooouuuuh, the transition… how cool! 🥰
 

Interface looks good too. Just wondering how all this will translate to the switch. Maybe we’ll see that tomorrow! I just hope the possibilities to interact won’t be too small. We’ll see.

Yeah curious about the Switch controls too because that's my preferred platform. I really hope it's not controlling the cursor with analog sticks. The last game I played that did that (Later Alligator) I wanted to throw the Switch against the wall.

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I finally finished playing through Insecticide on DS and now I'm ready. That's what we all were doing, right?

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5 minutes ago, KestrelPi said:

Really enjoying the details in this one by the way. Each time I look at it I notice a new little animation detail, either in the foreground, background or characters.

 

I like all the little blinking eyes, moving fish, and I like the little subtle expressions on the pirates. Just real small eye movements but it really sells the thing for me.

This one gave me a small chuckle

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Did Ron or anyone involved with the first game ever talk about how they decided which character would get the full portrait treatment? It's odd that it's so front-loaded starting with 3 very unimportant pirates in the Scumm Bar, then so sparse afterwards.

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50 minutes ago, KestrelPi said:

 

Here, I'll prove it: I'll do it right now, and given an unvarnished opinion on the latest art we've seen: generally speaking, I've liked the vibe of the Brrr Muda art a bit less than the other stuff we've seen.

 

Of everything we've seen to me it looks the most angular and 'skewed', the hardest to get used to. I'll probably get used to it and it'll be fine, and as usual I think it all looks better in motion than static, and I certainly don't hate it but it's yet to 'click' for me. Maybe it's just because it's so unlike an environment we've seen before in MI, so the unfamiliar style plus unfamiliar environment are a bit daunting to look at.

 

That's interesting! Brr Muda might be my favourite so far but for the same reason. It's clearly supposed to be a very hostile environment, and all the jagged edges and unstable angles are successful at reinforcing that feeling. The bear trap with severed human leg and dried up blood is also a nice touch. If I had one criticism of CMI's (and later games') background art, is that every location felt like they were sanded down and made child-proof - it was all so darn ...pleasant. I'm glad to see that there are locations in ReMI that gives me unease makes me feel unwelcome for a change.

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Same. I remember it feeling like an open world teeming with stuff (though it's just an illusion). I also loved how each island felt very distinct: Scabb/Woodtick was cozy, Phatt was seedy, Booty was festive... I feel like in later games, all the locations kinda blur together (maybe that's my unpopular opinion!)

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5 hours ago, Ramen said:

Thanks for the concern, I'm just enjoying my spritzer in the sun, watching the beautiful people passe me by

I'm not really interested in your article, but the art on the header image is great! Wish they had done something like that for ReMI!

As the guy who did the header image for that article, I think ReMI looks great! Its art feels very much like work of an accomplished and technically competent artist going for a particular style (and it is - looking at Rex Crowle's previous works they're jawdroppingly good. Knights and Bikes in particular, you can really tell it was his passion project). No one's wrong to dislike it or disagree with it stylistically, but half the fun in appreciating art is engaging with stuff you don't like, wouldn't you agree

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On 7/11/2022 at 4:39 AM, ThunderPeel2001 said:

I do wish they’d used Charity James’s voice in every iteration though. Boyd’s voice just doesn’t have any chemistry with Armato’s. 

I thought I preferred Elaine's voice in EMI but I played through it last week (for the first time in 2 decades) and she sounds very different from what I remember. I think I was mixing it up with the Dainty Lady Figurehead's voice in my memory.

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The lookout point on the peak of the hill with the winding path down to the docks is such an iconic imagery (it's the first thing you see when you launch the original game) that I can't believe they decided to do away with all of it in EMI. But I do appreciate some of the changes they made - for example how they decided to make every location easily accessible. In the first game, to reach the governor's mansion from the map screen you had to go through the docks (which is like 3 screens wide), through the town, then through more town and a cliff path (also like 3 screens wide). It probably takes no more than a minute to traverse in reality, but when I was a kid it felt like a journey.

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20 minutes ago, Huz said:

"You make me want to borrow one" in the walkthrough is a weird mixture of an insult and a different comeback. Funny.

Hah, you're right! I never noticed that one before.

Also worth noting that that's the whole solution to the puzzle - they only list half of the insults and comebacks (the next page has the solution for the Swordmaster fight). I don't really understand why. Perhaps whoever wrote the walkthrough was savescumming and managed to get by with those few.

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Bonus Monkey Island 1 (VGA)

This one is quite boring. They didn't bother translating any of the text (not even the title! how were they supposed to know what the game is even called??) Again distributed by Dong Seo Game Channel. 90 or 91? who can say.

 

 

Curiously the text is all misaligned, but otherwise the same as North American release. ₩20000 (Approx $15 USD not adjusted for inflation)

 

The reference card is clearly a cheap photocopy. Disappointing.

 

I'm surprised that they bothered with the full-colour printing of copy protection wheel. The manual is in black and white and very cheap. 4 high density 5.25" floppies.

 

The manual contains full walkthrough (not a separate book like MI2). The solution to the insult swordfighting puzzle photographed here.

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I saw that post about CMI cloth map which lead me to riffle through my Korean big box collection and figured hey, why not take some photos and post it here (since detailed look at international releases are hard to come by and I find it interesting). If you have other interesting international release(s) you want to share please feel free to post here!

 

Monkey Island 2. One of my most prized possessions. The name of the Korean distributor is Dong Seo Game Channel. I don't know the exact release date... probably 91 or 92?

I appreciate the font treatment.

 

Back cover. ₩25,000 (approx $19 USD, not adjusted for inflation). Some interesting differences compared to North American release (which I'll go into later).

 

The cover is actually a thin paper sleeve that goes over the featureless cardboard box.

 

Reference card, printed on a thick, quality, textured cardboard stock. I like.

 

The manual and Mix N' Mojo copy protection wheel. In offensive xerox-proof burgundy. Was it also burgundy in other regions?

 

6 high-density 5.25" floppy disks. Nothing unusual here.

 

It says "Hintbook" but it's actually the whole walkthrough. Back in those days games almost never got localization treatment in Korea, so it was pretty common for an adventure game to ship with a full walkthrough. (the last paragraph in the walkthrough says that the joy of adventure games is figuring out on your own without looking stuff up. Now they tell me!)

 

The back cover has pretty faithful translation by and large, but with some weird (sometimes inexplicable) differences:

The first 2 lines are kind of adjectival? They loosely say "Arrogant" and "Disgusting". The "He's Back" part is the same. No, it does not rhyme.

 

 

The excerpt has no source! Who's speaking?!? The bulletpoints are pretty dry and humourless. "Interactive Jamaican music" without the accent. "Separate mode for beginners and magazine reviewers" but written completely seriously. No "void where prohibited" (I guess the phrase doesn't translate well)

 

 

Weird. Obviously the same screenshot, but it's cropped differently. The caption simply says "realistic graphics". Nothing about expectorations. Again, pretty humourless.

 

Again cropped differently. "There's always something scary behind a pirate's chair"? Not quiet the same meaning, but fine...

 

This one an odd one out. It's not uncommon for boxes or promotion materials to use work-in-progress screenshots, so I didn't think much of it, until I saw scans of the North American release, and it's completely different! Korean release uses a screenshot with MI1 interface and Guybrush. The caption says "Dig up graves of pirates to find clues". What clues!? I guess whoever translated it thought that it's too rude to dig up graves without a good reason or something.

 

As far as international game covers go, not bad. The humour is completely gone, but nothing grievously misleading (I've seen worse)

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I didn't know CMI received official Korean localization until today! The first 2 games were released there but they weren't localized. I looked up some korean playthroughs and it's pretty jarring. In particular, Elaine uses "polite speech" towards LeChuck and Guybrush, while Guybrush uses impolite speech towards Elaine. Because of casual Korean misogyny I guess.  (if you're not familiar with polite speech, it's a form of speech that exists in Korean and Japanese and maybe other languages as well, used towards elders, teachers, strangers, people you respect etc. I can't imagine Elaine using polite speech towards anyone, let alone Guybrush)

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The new Scumm Bar has very different tone for sure. I always thought of it as warm and jovial place, in stark contrast to very blue and very empty dock, with upbeat music and pirates drinking and having fun. The new one appears to be a dark and brooding place. If it that art was used as a drop-in replacement in the first game it wouldn't work for me at all. It could be perfectly fine in the context of the new game.

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Inventory combination, I could take it or leave it. I guess those puzzles are kind of like "skill check" because when you have a dozen or more items in your inventory, combinatorial explosion of possibilities make it difficult to solve accidentally, so the player really has to understand what they're trying to accomplish...

but at the same I don't want to get stuck then waste hours combining everything with every other thing, or deal with frustrating limitations (eg "why can I combine nail and hammer but not nail and rock?"). I have enough faith in designers involved in ReMI so that I don't foresee it being an issue, but I doubt the game will be any lesser without it.

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I wanted my hand at EGA-palettised version of new Guybrush.

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24 minutes ago, madmardi said:

Not really an unpopular opinion... but I thought this would be the most appropriate thread where I could admit that I have actually never played the EGA version of SOMI. 

 

I grew up on the VGA (not CD) version and for me that's the one that will always be the most nostalgic I guess. I even have troubles playing the CD version, as seeing the MI2 style interface seems... wrong? (not sure if thats the right word).

 

Anyways, I guess the unpopular part would be that at one point in my childhood I did find out about the EGA version, loaded it up once, and thought it looked terrible. I then went back and replayed the VGA version again.

 

That being said, I read an old Mojo article today that talked about the differences in the portraits between the two versions, and I was I was really surprised, as I had no idea there were so many changes. Seeing as the EGA is the original version I felt like I should really go back and play it. So I just started it up in ScummVM and have to say that I have a newfound appreciation for it. It looks a lot better than I remember, and I think I really need to give it a shot.

 

 

Same... I grew up with VGA floppy version and never played the EGA version. It surprised me the other day to read that Ron doesn't like the VGA portraits. Have I been playing the non-director's cut all this time?

 

I just started playing the EGA version last night (using Aaron Giles' excellent DREAMM) and I actually prefer the EGA backgrounds. The VGA version looks like somebody went hogwild with gradient fill and look almost amateurish (felt the same way about Loom VGA conversion). I think I might still prefer the VGA portraits though...

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IMHO anything that uses SDL tends to feel like a crappy low-effort port

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My only complaint is that there's no release date