i am bored Posted September 10, 2001 Share Posted September 10, 2001 i think that the paystation2 is just another one of those fabs, that ppl pick up and put down again. i mean. the playstation, not many ppl talk about it now. and the playstation 2 is really expensive. i think £300 is a bit too high, for a bit of plastic with chips etc inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guybrush122 Posted September 10, 2001 Share Posted September 10, 2001 Originally posted by NiKo: is me not understanding what the hell anyone in here is saying a good thing or a bad thing? dont say anything and dont try to understand.........run........just run.........GO!........its too shocking.... ------------------ Did I Mention That I Am Marrying Myself? ----------- RIP Bradley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brief Posted September 11, 2001 Share Posted September 11, 2001 Personally, I think arguing over which is better is stupid (no offense, but I do). There are games that are better suited for a PC, and there are games better suited for a console. There are also games better suited for the arcade. Each has its own strengths and weaknesses, so just get the games you like, and play it on the best platform for that game that's available to you. Why bother wasting your energy arguing over which one is better, when 9 times out of 10, neither side is going to be able to convince the other regarding which is better? Wouldn't you much rather spend that wasted energy playing games, or something else that might actually be productive? Are consoles going to die in the near future? Unlikely. Why? Mainly, PC games are harder to develop for, because as developers, they must consider 80% of the different possible setups the users might have, and if they miss something, bugs are likely to show up (just look at EMI). Consoles, OTOH, have the same hardware across each platform. If it works in one, it works in the other. On the consumer side, consoles are easier to use for the average Joe, and are cheaper, too boot. Less bugs + Easier to use = More sales. In the end, it boils down to each individuals tastes, their own knowledge regarding these subjects, and what's achievable within their realms. I would never want to play a FPS game like Quake or Unreal on a console, just like I would never want to play a two player fighting games like Street Fighter or Soul Edge on the computer. I play the games on whatever platform that best suits them, and don't let arguments regarding which platform is better bother me. ------------------ "Good... bad... I'm the guy with the gun." --Ash, Army of Darkness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guybrush122 Posted September 11, 2001 Share Posted September 11, 2001 Originally posted by brief: Personally, I think arguing over which is better is stupid (no offense, but I do). There are games that are better suited for a PC, and there are games better suited for a console. There are also games better suited for the arcade. Each has its own strengths and weaknesses, so just get the games you like, and play it on the best platform for that game that's available to you. Why bother wasting your energy arguing over which one is better, when 9 times out of 10, neither side is going to be able to convince the other regarding which is better? Wouldn't you much rather spend that wasted energy playing games, or something else that might actually be productive? Are consoles going to die in the near future? Unlikely. Why? Mainly, PC games are harder to develop for, because as developers, they must consider 80% of the different possible setups the users might have, and if they miss something, bugs are likely to show up (just look at EMI). Consoles, OTOH, have the same hardware across each platform. If it works in one, it works in the other. On the consumer side, consoles are easier to use for the average Joe, and are cheaper, too boot. Less bugs + Easier to use = More sales. In the end, it boils down to each individuals tastes, their own knowledge regarding these subjects, and what's achievable within their realms. I would never want to play a FPS game like Quake or Unreal on a console, just like I would never want to play a two player fighting games like Street Fighter or Soul Edge on the computer. I play the games on whatever platform that best suits them, and don't let arguments regarding which platform is better bother me. if you think it is stupid to argue how come you are ARGUING that arguing about pc & console is a stupid argument? If you were arguing that the argument that was arguing against the argument of the two platform argument then it was a waist of time and argument skills. However simply arguing about the argument of the pc and console argument is a wise argument. Confused yet? how about this: I am involved in a religion that believes in believing in nothing. Yet I dont believe I believe in nothing.....I believe that I believe in something that believes in believing nothing. And whe youre done figuring that one out tell me what this means: "Then give me leave; for losers that have leave only to ease their stomaches with their bitter tongues."----Shakespeare's Titus Andronicus ------------------ Did I Mention That I Am Marrying Myself? ----------- RIP Bradley [This message has been edited by Guybrush122 (edited September 10, 2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brief Posted September 11, 2001 Share Posted September 11, 2001 Originally posted by Guybrush122: if you think it is stupid to argue how come you are ARGUING that arguing about pc & console is a stupid argument? I'm not arguing. I'm making a statement of my opinion. And my statement (and opinion) is that the argument is stupid. You may disagree with me, and try to turn that into an argument, but that's your prerogative. ------------------ "Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorgito_Vaderman Posted September 11, 2001 Share Posted September 11, 2001 Well, I saw how you gave your opinion about making games for the console and making games for the computer. Why not to "argue" We are changing opinions. For that reason you are giving, debates would never exist! There is something called Freedom of Speaking. And we are saying what we think! (By the way, consoles are nearly dead. The only true console will be the GameCube from Nintendo, the others are just "small computers" .Oh! and developing a game for PS is much different from Dreamcast and much different from any Nintendo console) PS2 cheap? mmm.... You mean the consumer side. What would be cheaper: Buy a Pc for working and internet AND buying a console for playing. Or to buy something: Multitask (play and work) + Upgradable + Everydays more easy to use + for the whole family And the last think. If a game is developed with different specific confiigurations (OpenGL, 3Dfx, Direct3D...) dont you think it will be better? Cuz is more specific. (BTW: Bugs are fixed with patches) ------------------ My name is Bobbin, are you my mother? Yeah! I work there! Carolvs Ro Imp Semper Avg Hispan Rex Fundator Universitatis Granatensis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brief Posted September 11, 2001 Share Posted September 11, 2001 Originally posted by Jorgito_Vaderman: Well, I saw how you gave your opinion about making games for the console and making games for the computer. Why not to "argue" We are changing opinions. For that reason you are giving, debates would never exist! There is something called Freedom of Speaking. And we are saying what we think! There's a difference. In the end, games are made by the same developers, and they'll develop for whichever platform they think best suits them. They don't care if the game is going to be made for the PC, the Mac, or one of the consoles. All they really care about is if something they want to do is feasible on the particular platform they're developing for. By the way, consoles are nearly dead. That's your opinion. It may be true in certain countries, and may be completely false in others. Depends on the marketplace. PS2 cheap? mmm.... <blockquote>$300.00 vs. $700-$2,000+</blockquote> I'd say that they're cheaper. What would be cheaper: Buy a Pc for working and internet AND buying a console for playing. Or to buy something: Multitask (play and work) + Upgradable + Everydays more easy to use + for the whole family You seem to think I'm for the side of console games. Have I not made it clear that I don't care if a game is on the PC or a console? As long as the game is good, and accessible to me, I'll play it. Upgradablility.. is overrated. For techies such as ourselves, they are mere child's play. For the majority of the population, they couldn't tell the difference between a sound card and a modem. Ask them to upgrade their computer? They'd probably much rather just buy a new one, which, again, will cost more than a console. And the last think. If a game is developed with different specific confiigurations (OpenGL, 3Dfx, Direct3D...) dont you think it will be better? Cuz is more specific. Guess what? It's much more specific when they develop for a console. For the developers, every single driver they have to develop for means more working hours, more time spent developing the game, more money spent. A large company can pay for the expenses, but not a smaller one. Think about it, which is easier: Write just one version of a game for one platform, and publish it, or write several versions of the game for one platform, and publish it? Let me bonk you on the head if you say the latter is easier. (BTW: Bugs are fixed with patches) So you would not mind buying a bug-ridden game that barely works, as long as, perhaps, six months down the road, they might release a patch that would make the game work? Take a look at EMI here, just as an example. They've released a patch. Did it fix every bug that we've encountered? It certainly didn't fix mine, where Herman's dialogue would be completely skipped after he regained his memory.... I think StarEye had the right idea. All video games are computer games. They were written using computers, to be run by computers, so that the user can interact with the computer using some kind of interface. Consoles are just specialized, miniature versions of computers. ------------------ [This message has been edited by brief (edited September 11, 2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorgito_Vaderman Posted September 11, 2001 Share Posted September 11, 2001 Originally posted by brief: So you would not mind buying a bug-ridden game that barely works, as long as, perhaps, six months down the road, they might release a patch that would make the game work? Take a look at EMI here, just as an example. They've released a patch. Did it fix every bug that we've encountered? It certainly didn't fix mine, where Herman's dialogue would be completely skipped after he regained his memory.... I think StarEye had the right idea. All video games are computer games. They were written using computers, to be run by computers, so that the user can interact with the computer using some kind of interface. Consoles are just specialized, miniature versions of computers. Oh damn! Al the post I wrote has been deleted... sorry, im too lazy to write it again.... Maybe later. ------------------ My name is Bobbin, are you my mother? Yeah! I work there! Carolvs Ro Imp Semper Avg Hispan Rex Fundator Universitatis Granatensis [This message has been edited by Jorgito_Vaderman (edited September 11, 2001).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarEye Posted September 11, 2001 Share Posted September 11, 2001 Originally posted by Jorgito_Vaderman: Maybe a PC doesnt work with a keyboard. Does the console work without a gamepad? That was a stupid observation. Oh. You have to know the PC configuration, cuz you can upgrade it later, and you dont need to buy a full computer. Will PS3 games work with PS2?? Nope. And PS2 games with PSX? nope. And N64 games with SuperNES... Nope... So sorry, but in year 2003 they will make very few games for your PS2, if they make a PS3. Hmmm... okay. About the keyboard part. That was not the point. The point was that you have the POSSIBILITY to connect a keyboard, you're not FORCED to, like the PC. I'm not saying PC-games aren't good. But I just don't think they're any better that PC. As a Monkey Island fan, you should know that Graphics don't make a good game, if they're better on a PC because of that. Some games are better played on a PC, but some are played better on a Console. If I didn't play EMI already on a PC, and they came out simultanously, I'd buy the PS2 version. Okay, about the compatibility part, that's rubbish. Can you say your PC is 100% compatible with future games that come out in 1-3 years? Of course PS3 games won't work on a PS2. That would be strange considering there would no reason to make a PS3. Normally, one would think about backward compatibility, but you are a bit ahead of the most. However, the PS2 is backward compatible, and probably PS3 will too. That is afterall one of the marketing point for Sony. I hate Nintendo for not making them backwards compatible (and for the ridiculously high prices). And there will be a lot of games out for PS2 in 2003. Maybe even more than PC-games. 2003 will be a very good year, console-wise. Because the avarage life-line of a console is 5 years. Which means it won't be losing users until 2005 perhaps. And you will still use the same system, no need to upgrade. Which means £300 for a machine that lasts 5 years isn't too bad, is it? Oh, and I admit, calling PC a office-thingy is greatly exaggerated. I was just provoking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorgito_Vaderman Posted September 12, 2001 Share Posted September 12, 2001 Originally posted by StarEye: ...Graphics don't make a good game, if they're better on a PC because of that. ... ...However, the PS2 is backward compatible, and probably PS3 will too. ... ....And there will be a lot of games out for PS2 in 2003. Maybe even more than PC-games... ... Because the avarage life-line of a console is 5 years. Which means it won't be losing users until 2005 perhaps. 1. True, they are better in PC for that. But pc also have better graphics if you got the good graphics card. Do I have to compare again my graphics card with the one in the PS2? just compare Quake III graphics, (or DeusEx) of both versions. 2. My PC can run all the games of the 8086, 286, 386, 486, etc... Your PS2 can only play PS2 and PSX games 3. Dont think so. It has never been that way. Anyway, ill be able to play perfectly all those new console games in my computer, and you wont be able to play all pc games in your console. 4. Now there is such a BIG competence between console companies, that the life of the consoles will be too short. They will try to develope a better one before the other. So take that idea outta your mind. Hope this post will work properly... not like the last one... ------------------ My name is Bobbin, are you my mother? Yeah! I work there! Carolvs Ro Imp Semper Avg Hispan Rex Fundator Universitatis Granatensis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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