Achilles Posted April 26, 2008 Author Share Posted April 26, 2008 Even though you've already acknowledged that your perceptions are nothing more than speculation. My point was that these people deserve better than that conclusion that you've come to based a guess. We have a duty to do better than guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinny Posted April 26, 2008 Share Posted April 26, 2008 Well speculation based on perception, I infer based on evidence I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedak Posted April 26, 2008 Share Posted April 26, 2008 Well speculation based on perception, I infer based on evidence I've seen. What concrete evidence have you seen, to support your belief? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinny Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 Aside from the various anecdotal evidence from close trusted family members I had a dream, not coincidentally the night I accepted Christ where He spoke to me in a dream with a coherent plot and symbolisms (no other dream I've had has had that). I've also seen people's lives completely transform from the time they actually receive Christ, a good friend of mine was completely anti-Christian and now after both of us got into GT, he decided to become sort of a pastor instead, other people I've known completely either changed perspectives, habits, outlook, lifestyles etc almost over night based on a single decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedak Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 I had a dream, not coincidentally the night I accepted Christ where He spoke to me in a dream with a coherent plot and symbolisms (no other dream I've had has had that). Have you ever thought about the possibility that it was just that... a dream? Is it not possible that there is a reason it was the night you "accepted Christ?". I once had a very detailed dream about my ex-girlfriend the night we broke-up. I wouldn't draw the conclusion that she was some sort of savior attempting to contact me in my dreams. Also, why haven't I had a dream about Christ? Is it because I haven't accepted him? If that's the case, why do other people that accept him not experience a dream where he is talking to them? I've also seen people's lives completely transform from the time they actually receive Christ That could be contributed to willpower... Many born-again Christians choose to be so because that's the only way they feel the could stop their problem (whichever it may be). My father was an Alcoholic since the age of 13, he one night got a DWI, quit, and still goes to AA regularly. My father quit his addiction because he found his family and AA. Fairly equal to finding Christ is it not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinny Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 Aye, i'm not claiming anything I've experienced is super extraordinary (I don't think I've seen anyone healed physically etc). I still believe it is a real experience, your father met your family and it was real people. The experience I've had seem pretty real, because I and others met God. I know it sounds silly, but its just some experiences I've had just can't be shaken. It comes across as silly explaining it over forum boards. I have considered those possibilities though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedak Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 Aye, i'm not claiming anything I've experienced is super extraordinary (I don't think I've seen anyone healed physically etc). I still believe it is a real experience, your father met your family and it was real people. The experience I've had seem pretty real, because I and others met God. I know it sounds silly, but its just some experiences I've had just can't be shaken. It comes across as silly explaining it over forum boards. I have considered those possibilities though. So in other words it's just a feeling. You have no evidence there is god, it's just faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinny Posted April 27, 2008 Share Posted April 27, 2008 Not really, its just evidence you can't express, like proving over the boards that my mom loves me. Its evidence for my own personal faith, a reason for why I believe what I believe, its one that's hard to use to convince anyone else though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted April 28, 2008 Author Share Posted April 28, 2008 Not the same thing at all. Based on existing evidence we could probably safely assume that your mother actually exists and based on existing social psychology, we could probably safely assume that she loves you. The fact remains that evidence is evidence. If you have to convince us that it's evidence, then it's probably not actually evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedak Posted April 28, 2008 Share Posted April 28, 2008 ^ Then again, you can't even consider that evidence. He has faith that his mother loves him. For all we know, she could be an awful mother and faking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Achilles Posted April 28, 2008 Author Share Posted April 28, 2008 I was hoping to address the reasonableness of the statement. Is it reasonable to accept that he has a mother that loves him? Absolutely. Why? Because there is empirical evidence that he has a mother and empirical evidence that mothers tend to love their children. To say that this argument would be difficult to prove is inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedak Posted April 28, 2008 Share Posted April 28, 2008 Very true, I see what you're saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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