Guest Kurgan Posted August 29, 2001 Share Posted August 29, 2001 Okay, I just want to say that over the last summer I've had a chance to check out a few games, mostly teen rated, and mostly containing some sort of blood splattering. I say this because it's often been an issue whether or not JK2 will have some sort of blood in it (not talking about the E3 demo, which many say did include it, but the final version). Now I agree that blood doesn't make the game good or bad, and there should be an option to turn it on or off as the user likes (hey, even the Mortal Kombat series had this option). My point is that just because the game is rated "Teen" (which we all seem to agree is what LEC/Raven are shooting for), the game could still have blood flying. Cases in point: Warcraft II: BattleNet Edition Still widely played on Blizzard's service. This game includes slaughter on a mass scale with bloody bodies that decay before your eyes. Outlaws LEC's second foray into the FPS genre back in '96-97 had blood spurting from bullet and knife attacks in the wild west. Primal Prey A recently released title featuring Dinosaur hunting in the cretaceous period. Blood flies from puncture wounds on your targets, and wounded Dinosaurs leave blood trails to follow, and dead bodies start to decay after awhile. I would also add "Shogo:MAD" but there seems to be evidence that the rating was changed to "M" (Mature). The version I have says "Teen" on the cover and has tons of blood and dismemberment. So it seems that having some blood in a game does not make it "mature" necessarily. As we all know, dismemberment is a common event in the Star Wars movies, and bloodshed definately occurs, though they are all PG films. All of the above games are rated "Teen" and interestingly enough, the original Warcraft (Orcs and Humans) which contained the same amount of blood as the sequel (albeit much more pixelated) was rated "Kids to Adults" (in 1998, this rating became known as "E" for Everyone) ! I always considered the first WC to be much darker in theme than the sequel. They added all kinds of humor in WC2, yet it gets a harsher rating. The ESRB site lists some other pc games that contain animated blood (yet are rated teen) such as the Alone in the Dark Trilogy, the Baldur's Gate series, and many Teen-rated hunting games. See their list <a href="http://www.esrb.com/search_results.asp?view=&whichpage=2&type=game&sql=%28rating+LIKE+%27%25Teen%25%27+%29+and+%28platform+LIKE+%27%25IBM+PC%25%27+or+platform+LIKE+%27%25MAC+ CD+ROM%25%27+or+platform+LIKE+%27%25MPC%25%27+or+platform+LIKE+%27%25PC+CD+ROM%25%27+or+platform+LIKE+%27%25Personal+Computer%25%27+or+platform+LIKE+%27%25Windows%25%27+or+platform +LIKE+%27%25Windows+95%25%27+or+platform+LIKE+%27%25WINDOWS+CD%2DROM%25%27+%29&stype=&styperat=ratings&stypedes=&stypedes2=&stypeplat=platforms&stypepub=&sfor=&sforrat=Teen&sfordes =&sfordes2=&sforplat=IBM+PC%2C+MAC+CD+ROM%2C+MPC%2C+PC+CD+ROM%2C+Personal+Computer%2C+Windows%2C+Windows+95%2C+WINDOWS+CD%2DROM&sforpub=&pagesize=20">here</a>. Kurgan [ August 29, 2001: Message edited by: Kurgan ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed_silvergun Posted August 30, 2001 Share Posted August 30, 2001 The Star Wars films are all rated 'U' over here in England, which means "universal" or suitable for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrakhan Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 Interesting thought, but two things: --Star Wars is just plain not about blood. It just doesn't fit into the action. Even something like the severed arm in the cantina was never again repeated. --The games ratings board is much more strict about offering a Teen rating nowadays than they were around 1998. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed_silvergun Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 Originally posted by Astrakhan: <STRONG>Interesting thought, but two things: --Star Wars is just plain not about blood. It just doesn't fit into the action. Even something like the severed arm in the cantina was never again repeated.</STRONG> How about a) the wampa in the cave in ESB, and b) Darth Maul being sliced in half in TPM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hannibal Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 If there is any blood in JK2 I doubt it will be dripping. It'll probably be a mist like at the end of TPM or in the JK2 screenshot. If you remember not everyone saw the blood at the end of TPM the first time they saw it. I didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kurgan Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 Yeah, I think we can pretty much put to rest two common arguments: 1) There isn't any blood in the star wars films. 2) "Teen" rated games don't show any blood. I have studied the recent screenshots of JK2 and I think it is undeniable that that is actually blood (red mist) being spilled from Stormtroopers by Kyle's saber. So JK2 has blood in it RIGHT NOW. The question of course remains.. WILL IT STILL BE IN THE FINAL VERSION THAT IS EVENTUALLY RELEASED? I for one, see no reason to believe that it should not be, or will not be, except LEC's past record, but as was pointed out, the standards do change. Of course from what I've looked at in games, older games with blood had the same ratings that games with blood do nowadays (the equivalent of "Teen" usually). Perhaps in those days you could say it was "less realistic" but I don't think it could ever be said that making it a teen game would make it impossible to show bloodshed. Wait and see... Kurgan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrakhan Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 Originally posted by Kurgan: <STRONG>Of course from what I've looked at in games, older games with blood had the same ratings that games with blood do nowadays (the equivalent of "Teen" usually). Perhaps in those days you could say it was "less realistic" but I don't think it could ever be said that making it a teen game would make it impossible to show bloodshed. Kurgan</STRONG> I mean it's not speculation that the board *honestly is* more sensitive to blood now when rating games as Teen, since perhaps mid-2000 in particular. I know, I've submitted them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kurgan Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 Are you saying you're on the ESRB ratings board? I'm just curious, as I'm not sure I understood you correctly. Still, despite that, I have this game here called Primal Prey (which I mentioned earlier) which has quite prominent blood splats and flying blood (was released just a week ago in fact) and it's rated "Teen." Bought it at Wal-Mart, prominently displayed, for 20 bucks. So how do you explain that? I figured at one time that the "Teen" rating was squeeky clean and that all bloody games would get "M" by default, but that was just because I'd been playing a lot of LEC games. When I look at non-LEC games, it seems that blood in Teen games is actually fairly common. Warcraft 1 would be the exception, because I figured it would have gotten a Teen rating, but instead got an E (KA then). So if anything, the standards in recent years have moved blood from E to Teen, not Teen to Mature. Was that the point you were trying to make? The only factor I can see that might contribute to the "no blood" outcome for this game is LEC's squeeky clean image. Still, if they want to have a Teen rating and thus appeal to a larger audience (than with Mature), they can still do that and have some blood. Also, we are taking into account that Raven is doing the game, so perhaps they won't use the same "discretion" shall we say that LEC will, even though LEC is overseeing it. I don't think it would hurt the game either. Kurgan [ August 31, 2001: Message edited by: Kurgan ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrakhan Posted September 1, 2001 Share Posted September 1, 2001 Originally posted by Kurgan: <STRONG>Are you saying you're on the ESRB ratings board? I'm just curious, as I'm not sure I understood you correctly.</STRONG> Nah, I guess I wasn't too clear there. I meant that I've been involved in games that have been submitted to the ESRB over the years. Getting a Teen rating in the past year has gotten pretty touchy. Not quite as bad as getting a game onto shelves in Germany, but almost. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kurgan Posted September 1, 2001 Share Posted September 1, 2001 So you were on the testing board for the ESRB? You're saying it's a fine line between Teen and Mature, I get that much, just not the other part. I must be too tired... ; p ------------------------- [ September 01, 2001: Message edited by: Kurgan ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardz Posted September 1, 2001 Share Posted September 1, 2001 I'm a little late on this one, but I'd have thought that with the host of violent games coming out this would mean our game is small fry in comparison, I mean, the gory games are becoming gorier (sp?!) which means that surely it will help us to get the best rating? wardz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo Posted September 1, 2001 Share Posted September 1, 2001 what about the scene on Hoth where Luke chops the Taun Taun's guts out!! man, that stuff is worse than blood!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xwing guy Posted September 1, 2001 Share Posted September 1, 2001 Actually if LEC wants to be realistic there wouldn't be any blood at all because a lightsaber is so hot that it immedatily seals the hole. Back when they made the movies I guess they didn't think about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardz Posted September 2, 2001 Share Posted September 2, 2001 oh no please dont go down this avenue about the physics of star wars, this always ends in a 3 page debate about something or other. DONT GO THERE MAN! wardz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kurgan Posted September 2, 2001 Share Posted September 2, 2001 Well you're forgetting the alien's arm in the Cantina scene (bloody). The theory is that it's the stump on the body of the person that is scorched and cauterized, but the severed limb itself (unless it was cut off very slowly) would be bloody. But yeah, I think I could buy "no blood" for the lightsaber, but what about explosives? Or bladed weapons? There's many opportunities for "realism" with a bit of blood for those sorts of attacks. With blasters I would like to see puffs of smoke and flames (on the targets) in addition to carbon scoring decals, that would look nice (and very starwarsy). There's blood in the JK2 demo (from the lightsaber at least), but whether or not it makes it into the final, is anyone's guess. I just don't see why it shouldn't or wouldn't. Kurgan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ed_silvergun Posted September 2, 2001 Share Posted September 2, 2001 It should be consistent with the films, IMO. A little blood, but nothing excessive. We're not talking Reservoir Dogs here, but let's face it, seeing a few drops of blood when we hack off a trooper's limb is probably not gonna turn us into bloodthirsty maniacs, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest xwing guy Posted September 2, 2001 Share Posted September 2, 2001 What if they put in the gore from SOF or, whats supposed to be better, the gore from SOF2. BTW anyone here play SOF with all violence options on. I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darien Posted September 2, 2001 Share Posted September 2, 2001 I really dont care if theres blood or not, I am still going to buy the game. But i guess i would prefere a little blood to no blood at all, since chopping off somones arm or blowing them a part with a rail gun will probably be in the game. This game should be realistic, but not overly bloody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KillerBee Posted September 2, 2001 Share Posted September 2, 2001 if there is blood I will be using com_blood 0 to improved my framerate.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Argath Posted September 2, 2001 Share Posted September 2, 2001 The theory is that it's the stump on the body of the person that is scorched and cauterized, but the severed limb itself (unless it was cut off very slowly) would be bloody. Um...if the lightsaber instantaneously cauterizes the wound on one side of the cut, it would do exactly the same thing for the other side, too. Cauterization is unrelated to the tissue's physical attachment to the body, it's simply a result of heat. No offense to whoever developed that theory about lightsaber wound cauterization, but it makes no sense and is physically impossible. Whether the wound is part of the body or part of the severed limb wouldn't effect whether or not it cauterizes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DashRendar11587246510 Posted September 3, 2001 Share Posted September 3, 2001 I don't care about having blood. If they do put it in, it will probably be some minor mist (like many said). On a side note: Be glad that JKII won't have blaster hit wounds like the ones described in the novels. (You need to have read a SW novel to understand this comment) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nykel007 Posted September 3, 2001 Share Posted September 3, 2001 I'm going to agree with denise as everyone here on the forum wether or not there is blood, we're still going to buy the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kurgan Posted September 3, 2001 Share Posted September 3, 2001 Um...if the lightsaber instantaneously cauterizes the wound on one side of the cut, it would do exactly the same thing for the other side, too. Cauterization is unrelated to the tissue's physical attachment to the body, it's simply a result of heat. No offense to whoever developed that theory about lightsaber wound cauterization, but it makes no sense and is physically impossible. Whether the wound is part of the body or part of the severed limb wouldn't effect whether or not it cauterizes. Just so you know, it wasn't my theory. Sure maybe it's bad science, but I'm sure the intent was to explain the problem of the bloody limb in the cantina scene. I wasn't trying to argue so much for whether or not it was 100% realistic, but if we're just trying to echo the movies, there could be blood from saber dismemberment. Kurgan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnforcerSG Posted September 5, 2001 Share Posted September 5, 2001 I hate to bring this up, but why are people so freeked out about red blood, i mean, the Grans leaked green blood in DF, and i am prety sure in JK as well. Go check the other aliens. Also, it is good to see that people are mature enough to know if it bothers them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapt0r Posted September 10, 2001 Share Posted September 10, 2001 take sleepy hollow for example, some of the victims that lose there heads, wounds r courtarized, but the first cut there is a spray of blood, sabers would be like that in my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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