Grinch2020 Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 Well I went to EB today to reserve my copy of JKII. When I asked to reserve a copy the guy next to me started to tell the employee behind the counter that its a great game! The employee actually asked how he already had the game if it wasnt released yet. At this point I guess I had to say something. "It's warez", I said. "Well if you can get it online for free why do people spend there money?" "I guess its to keep stores like yours and gaming companies like Lucas Arts, Activision, and Raven in business." Throughout this whole thing, of course, the warezer showed no remorse. Oh well that's the way it goes sometimes I guess. In any case I look forward to getting my copy soon and heres to what's hopefully a great game! By the way as this is my first post, hello to everyone and hope to see you all online soon:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
armed201 Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 If I ever meet a warezer, call the cops....they will probably want to join me in kicking warezer tushy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorranHornjr Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 Welcome to the forums grinch 2020, I hope you enjoy your stay. It is going to be an awesome game. Keep up the morals, God shines down upon the righteous. The people who play warezed copies will see their sin sometime soon. I have gone to acouple of stores the past few days, hoping that it would be there staring at me...that some wal-mart employee would not understand about released dates and accidently stake it on the shelves. But no. I can't wait to play it! Does anyone know when Best Buy will have it in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue_Ace Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 You should have shoved you foot up the warezer's @$$ Grinch2020:D . BTW good job sticking up to the punk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SITH_ShadowCat Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 I guess you gave him some thing to not sleep about;) LoL hes needed it. If more peeps would do that it would be a warez free WORLD! <Wakes up from dream> SIGH* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loluz Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 Sorry to bust your bubble, but the cops could care less about petty software theft. They have better things to take care of, like violent crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10pounds Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 Originally posted by loluz Sorry to bust your bubble, but the cops could care less about petty software theft. They have better things to take care of, like violent crime. Ya, like the WAREZER beating his sorry ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 Admitting you warez games in a game store = stupid I remember was at a game hobby store (that specilized in old cartridge games, great place) and the guy came in and picked out some games and he asked the guy at the checkout (there was a huge line behind him too) if he could copy the games then return them! Folks.. there's no such thing as common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulic Quel Droma Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 Um Software piracy is a big thing, cops WOULD care about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grinch2020 Posted March 27, 2002 Author Share Posted March 27, 2002 I think what suprised me the most was the fact that the employee couldnt understand why anyone would bother buying games! Sometimes I think we should just give up and shut down the stores I can see it now... "For only $9.99/month you can download all the warez you can carry!" Of course I kid but if the employee couldn't even see the problem what does this say about some of the others? Must have been an isolated case. Man I hope so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MessiahErebus Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 It's the ultimate catch 22 guys...I'm pro warez, but not necessarily toward games, they are for the most part reasonable with the exception of a few (cough diablo 2:LoD), but 2500$ for a graphics program, and 200 whatever it costst for winXP is rediculous. People use warez, because the stuff is just too expensive. Then the companies claim software prices go up because people are pirating to much. Which makes more people turn to wares. Also, i think games should have more inclusive demos released...like ahead of shipping, so people know what they are really getting... not the popular opinion here obviously, but that is my theory... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxbatkllr Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 Yes Messiah i think i agree with your opinion the most out of all them. It's impossible for anyone to learn a $2000 3d program or the likewise if they can't afford it. I can't afford that price so i have had to turn to warez. But when it comes to affordable stuff i think that's a little less acceptable. Call me a hypocrite if you want, but that's just how i view it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grinch2020 Posted March 27, 2002 Author Share Posted March 27, 2002 Unortunately its true that some software is very expensive and out of reach for some people. However I do NOT feel that this legitimizes illegally acquiring whatever it might be in question. The person, company, or whatever the case may be, has every right to charge whatever they want for their product. If it is priced too highly, than consumption will reduce. Its the basic rule of supply and demand. I feel that a good example is Napster. Metallica went on the cutting board when they started lawsuits because there music was being downloaded for free. People went up in arms saying how selfish they were when they already were much more wealthy than the majority of the people out there getting there music for free. This is irrelevant. Whether they were in it strictly for the money or just the love of music is not the point. They were the ones that became an extremely succesful band. Just because they made a lot of money off of their music does NOT make it ok for others to download it for free. Its seems that there has become a myth that if you are succesful and wealthy than you MUST be evil. cough BILL GATES cough. Dont get me wrong, not everything the guy does is great. In fact a lot of it is downright rotten(downloadable OS's that you pay monthly for?) but this does not mean that his software should be gotten illegaly. Very sorry, just realized what a rambling post this was. Please forgive me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drluv Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 Originally posted by Kurgan Admitting you warez games in a game store = stupid I remember was at a game hobby store (that specilized in old cartridge games, great place) and the guy came in and picked out some games and he asked the guy at the checkout (there was a huge line behind him too) if he could copy the games then return them! Folks.. there's no such thing as common sense. I remember, when I've been working in a Computer&Software shop, one day the Boss came and asked "Well, We got Black and White, who wants to burn it for me and my two sons??" Here in Germany, noone cares when you got one to ten illegal copies, the Police just catch the big fishes, like the men burning 1000 PSX games a day... as Messiah said, people use Warez, 'couse it's to expensive. And there have been to much bad games in the past years... So warez is everybodies testing area, and when they like it, most of 'em buy it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MessiahErebus Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 I didn't say it was justifiable, I just said it was my opinion, I guess it depends on your moral code. Mine, is adjustable, to be practical. I will do anything, if the circumstances warrant it in my opinion. I have no pre-determined sense of right or wrong, things just happen, and i adapt. If enought people steal a game, to the point that the developer goes out of business, or stops developing a certain product line, then so be it, you still got their product for free. Someone else will always come along. Also you have to factor in the Star Wars name, there are so many fans of it, and the majority will be "moral" and buy the game, and many people don't even know how to get warez and make them actually work. You also have to factor in a little known fact about people who use warez for games. This being that they rarely stay on one game for a long time. They have so many games to download everyday that if they stop to play one game too long, they will never use half of the other ones they download. So is it really the better bargain, to have every game, and really never enjoy any of them, or explore the vastness and complexity of each one you own. I'll leave that for you all to consider, but don't brush it off as self-serving BS its true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miracleasd Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 hmmm. some interesting double standards so far but nm. in my local area they hold a regular computer fair (as im sure they do in many areas) anyone who has ever been to one of these organised events can testify the place is stocked to the gills with illegal software, pirate movies and some stolen hardware. if the police moved in they could make 30 or so arrests on the sellers for piracy and maybe another 50 or so for the public in there at the time for handling illegal goods. point is they dont, further point is that some of them shop there. unless its corporate or pulic eye the police wont touch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MessiahErebus Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 true enough...though at my local comp show...no one shows up anymore lol...its like 10 vendors as of late, and the prices aren't really low like they used to be...its sad really...used to look forward to going to it. Haven't been there in almost 6 months now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 People use warez, because the stuff is just too expensive. Then the companies claim software prices go up because people are pirating to much. That is an argument many people use. And I agree that much software is too expensive (of course if you look at games, console games have always been more expensive than PC titles), but then prices increase because of piracy (companies claim) to justify lost sales from people copying software without buying. But the obvious answer to the argument above is: Nobody is forcing you to buy the software, so you don't really "need" it. There are legal ways to obtain liscenses to use software if you can't afford them (many business's and schools have this, and there are public computing facilities in industrialized countries more often than not). Games for instance.. you don't really "need" games, they're a luxury/recreational item. If the price is too high, do without. Another problem with the argument is that if no one buys software, then it won't be produced (companies lose too much money, since they are in it for profit, and quit the industry or go bankrupt). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waxdart Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 Basic capitalism, y'all. The software industry is like any other -- subject to supply and demand. Because of its size (and that it must operate within the parameters of the legal system it exists in), it moves and adapts relatively slowly to things around it. Games cost as much as they do because _that's what the market will bear_. If no one bought them ('no one' meaning a large and statistically quantifiable amount that affects the bottom line), then the industry as a whole would counter to react. To an extent, the market is beginning to react in small touches: it's more common now to see larger retailers dealing in used PC games, and lots of titles get relegated to the $10-$30 range if they've either not been successful or are simply no longer 'top tier'. The 3D industry in particular is producing interesting cases: Discreet recently released a limited (but still very functional) free version of their 3Ds MAX, as has Maya. Individual warez-d00dz are like petty thieves who collectively produce a larger drain on the system. When they band together in more organized groups, it becomes more worthwhile for the law to take an interest in them. That the law doesn't tend to chase down individual pirates neither justifies them nor does it make them any less illegal. They just fly under the radar because the system isn't built to react to them. The most common justifications/rationalizations put forth by warez-d00dz belie a very simple naivete to the greater workings of the system, and a childish perception of the world they live in, e.g. "big companies are have millions of dollars and will sell a bajillion copies of their game, they don't care" etc. Taking the 'Robin Hood' philosophy (that by downloading warez you're somehow striking a moral victory against a faceless, impervious enemy) is merely a component of the aforementioned. Piracy doesn't tend to lead to lower prices -- piracy leads to more convoluted copy protection schemes and thus greater overhead for the developers. But really, the _most_ offensive thing about trying to morally/legally justify warez activities is that it covers up the _real_ truth: you want the game and are either too impatient to wait for its release or you don't want to pay for it. Or both. Oh yeah, and it's illegal. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razarblade Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 I think it's funny as hell when they try to make up some lame excuse for stealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainStorm Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 Yeah, snatch a set of keys and drive a new car off a car lot and then tell the cops; "Well, I was going to buy one anyway so..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
selphj Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 The truth is that warez doesn't matter as much as people that are passionate about it want to think (for or against). Software companies claim lost sales due to warez. Not likely because no one that does warez would purchase if they couldn't download, so it's not a matter of a lost sale. That's just a reason to push law enforcement to do something. But there are much bigger fish to fry for law enforcement. I mean think about it, you're dealing with rapists, child molesters or killers and Microsoft (a rich company ran by a rich guy) calls to file a complaint about an illegal software ring. So on rare occasion as a show of effort, they bust a major pirate ring. One big source of warez, college students, are people you wouldn't want to arrest anyway. I mean sure, they might be a pain in college but in a few years those computer science majors will be working at companies and in charge of legal software purchases. You'd spend more on court costs than the lost sale anyway so what's the point. So really, don't lose sleep thinking about this stuff. Trust me, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lnt. Kechtt Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 Originally posted by waxdart But really, the _most_ offensive thing about trying to morally/legally justify warez activities is that it covers up the _real_ truth: you want the game and are either too impatient to wait for its release or you don't want to pay for it. Or both. Oh yeah, and it's illegal. End of story. Patience is a virtue and stealing is a crime. Anyone who has a problem with both is a problem with society. I'm not a big fanatic as a rule, but people who do that kind of thing TICK ME OFF!!!! Software theft is a big thing. I admit that I will probably copy the game so that my roommates and I will be able to play MP if the cd is required. BUT I give you my solom oath, as an eagle scout and as a human being THAT I WILL NOT ALLOW ANYONE THE USE OF THEM OUTSIDE A MP GAME WITH ME. If anyone has a problem with this I will not even copy them. Please let me know if you see it as un eithical. If so, my game will never touch a cd burner. Thanks for the chance to get that out. Please let me know your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miracleasd Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 oh one other thing. that price excuse (i wouldn't warez if they didnt charge so much) is total BS a recent game called uplink which is an incredible and inovative game went forward without a publisher. this ment that they could sell the game for £15. a demo was, and is freely available. still you find people warez it (not only that but they run around on the games official boards giving out the copy protection sheet) money is not an issue for these people (broadband aint exactly cheap), quite simply they are the shoplifters that dont get caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eleMentalD Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 The correct term is Lamer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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