KurganQ2 Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 This game crashes leaving my video card totally messed up until i restart the game and turn it off again...or reboot. Am I the only one? I have a P3 1Ghz, 512mb Ram, GeForce 2 Pro (2nd to latest drivers 21.83 i think..because the newer ones crashed Medal of Honor non stop - and people said the drivers were bad), i'm using win XP Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalacticBulge Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 I have the same prob with all Q3 engine games (RtCW, MoH:AA, JKII). For me, it seems to be a heat problem. If I cool my machine down (open a window to let cool air in, etc), the crashes completely stop. It could be a different issue for you, but I've just found that the crashes I experience are directly proportional to the heat of the room/pc. You may also want to try cleaning your PC internals. Vacuum or blow all the dust out of there, make sure your fans are still up to par. Hey, Spring cleaning time is here, so you might as well, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzkiLL Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 yeah, a guy in my quake 3 clan used to hose up grapix and crash alot. He got a video card tweaker, and Lowered the cycles to keep it cooler. problem solved, but he went out and bought a ti-4600 anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 Welcome to the forums, KurganQ2! I have a similar setup, although I'm using Win2k and have not had your problem. JK2 has inexplicably crashed on a me a few times, but not with that regularity. I would suggest getting all the usual windows and video card/direct x updates first, but after that I don't know. Maybe uninstall and reinstall the game or play around with the "hunkmegs" setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgraehl Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 you could be crashing for a very large number of reasons: - 5v line on power supply drops with heavy usage - overheating - ram timings - lord knows what else for me these q3 games crashed forever until i changed my ram timing settings in BIOS. Make sure to check out groups.google.com and search for your specific motherboard, etc, and see who else has similar problems (there's always somebody!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manickat Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 You know, I was going to post that I've had little to no problems with this game at all (2 lockups in several several hours of play), and that it was a very clean release as games go, but then I started thinking. Since I've had JK2, my machine has on occasion entirely rebooted itself without my assistance. Usually right after I'm done with a JK2 session, once during. Certainly hasn't done that before that I know of. Since it didn't interfere with the game I gave it no thought. I've never played the other Q3 titles you speak of. I run Win2000 on a 1.4G AMD KG7 w/ a GF3Ti200. Has anyone else seen rebooting as a sign of heat problems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY_jmr1 Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 oh very heat related. this is experience as a computer support guy talking. rule one:keep your computer clean! can of air works best inside the case. rule two: if you have a intel system, take the case off and never look at it again.(the case) perhaps set up some sort of large fan next to it. rule three: all fans must WORK, nonworking fans are useless. if its caput replace it. EDIT EDIT EDIT i see the above guy has a amd system. i do not work with amd's much however i have heard that taking the case off them is a bad idea, so if you are useing a amd computer dump rule 2 up there ok? 1 and 3 still work though. the reason for leaveing the case on a amd i beleave is: the cpu needs a very precice flow of air for the cooling to work right. there are water cooling systems avalable if its that bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GalacticBulge Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 Originally posted by manickat You know, I was going to post that I've had little to no problems with this game at all (2 lockups in several several hours of play), and that it was a very clean release as games go, but then I started thinking. Since I've had JK2, my machine has on occasion entirely rebooted itself without my assistance. Usually right after I'm done with a JK2 session, once during. Certainly hasn't done that before that I know of. Since it didn't interfere with the game I gave it no thought. I've never played the other Q3 titles you speak of. I run Win2000 on a 1.4G AMD KG7 w/ a GF3Ti200. Has anyone else seen rebooting as a sign of heat problems? Yes. Most modern PC's will either reboot when the CPU begins to reach it's max temp threshold (and AMD's run EXTREMELY hot), or shut down entirely with no notice given to the user. This does not mean that your problems are heat related, although with your set up, I would recommend you download some type of software that you can use to check your motherboard/CPU temp while idle and while playing. Motherboard manufacturers usually provide these types of programs on a CD or in a downloadable package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurganQ2 Posted April 8, 2002 Author Share Posted April 8, 2002 i don't have the side of my PC on ... this should keep it cooler (it's mostly because i do so much stuff in there it's a pain to take it on and off) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*big-d* Posted April 8, 2002 Share Posted April 8, 2002 I am experiencing the exact same problem. I think it must be heat related, if I boot up my comp I can play for like an hour before it'll reboot, but if it's been on for a while it'll reboot much more frequently, easily every 15 minutes. I'm using an AMD Anthlon XP 1800 (1533 mhz) with 512 ram on a Geforce 2 GTS, on WinXP. The problem can't be with the cpu, since both it and the fan are brand new with huge heatsink and lots of space, but I think the Geforce 2 GTS is what's causing this. I opened up the comp and cleaned out the Geforce's fan which was clogged up with dust I dont even think it worked, I do hope it'll work now though I haven't checked. If not, I'll just take the side of and play like that. BTW why would it be risky to play without shell when using and Anthlon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forethought Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 Same thing happens to me. I had to quit playing last night because it would crash every three friggin minutes. I'm running an AMD T-bird 1.4@1.533 384MB RAM GeForce3 Ti200 Windows Me Irritating as hell, as I have one intake fan, one exhaust in the back, a blowhole, and my ps sucks air from around the cpu out as well. May need more intake... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No1zLegacy Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 Hmm, well Big D. The only thing I can think of is that leaving the cover off will leave much more of a chance to expose your computer to static electricity, and other forms of electrical interference. And athlon processors are exposed to begin with. The only thing covering it is the bottom of your heatsink..... Not to mention that leaving the side of your case off will not actually decrease your system temps as much as you think. This is a common misconception. It relys mostly on what the temperature of the air in the room is, which is usually hot in the summer. All the hot air is leaving the case every which way, but so is the cool air that your fans are bringing in. your cool air isn't being directed to good use, it just immediatly gets sucked out. It's much more effecient to leave the side of the case on so that you can direct airflow better. One intake fan in the front of the case and how ever many exhaust fans you can put in the back. That way hot air is being expelled out the back but the cool air is still being brought in across your computers components thus cooling them. I also find it effective to leave the pci slot underneath your agp slot open. That way cool air from the front is being directed across your agp card and the hot air is being pushed out the pci slot underneath it by that little fan on your vid card. If you leave the pci slot cover on beneath your vid card the heat is getting trapped and just hitting what ever pci card you have below it, slowly increasing the heat in the immidiate area and increasing your vid cards temperature. If your more intrested in cooling then do a search on case modifying. You'll find that you can greatly decrease your system and cpu temps by a little ingenuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No1zLegacy Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 Oh yes, and this problem everyones having sounds like a glitch in the game to me. It seems improbable that so many are having the same problem and think that it's due to heat build up. Most of you like Forethought have a decent enough cooling system. A game shouldn't overheat any portion of your computer so much that your computer has to do an emergency restart. It's possible it could also be the way your computers set up too. I would actually try setting your BIOS back to default settings if any of you have made any enhancments to increase performance like I have. An overclocked processor, advanced memory timings, an overclocked or tweak video card. All those could be a problem to what seems like a very sensitive JK II game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HolySmiter Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 Try turning off GLextensions in the options menu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essobie Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 If it completely locks up with a sound loop of about 1 per second then that happened to me recently in ALL Q3 engine games. Turned out that it was the new detonator drivers at the time. I am actually using the Hercules drivers for my specific card now and haven't had one problem. You may try to use the newest detonators, or if you can find them, a couple of other versions of it. Or possibly better, use the latest drivers for your actual card. Essobie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY_jmr1 Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 yes what you said is true. note i also said that if it is heat related a large box fan might help. also a thout has just come to me.... if heat rise's perhaps if you lay the case on its side, the fans would bring in cooler air and the hot air would rise out of the way. your idea about the pci slot is a good one..... however i have a gf2mx400 and it does not have a fan just a heatsink, yet i have not had any problems....... p4 1.4ghz cpu btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No1zLegacy Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 Originally posted by SPY_jmr1 also a thought has just come to me.... if heat rise's perhaps if you lay the case on its side, the fans would bring in cooler air and the hot air would rise out of the way. Ah, good thought. Sort of like big blow hole then. note i also said that if it is heat related a large box fan might help. Yes I did notice, and it would help more than if you didn't use one. I've used this technique myself. I would have to say that if you're still talking about using it with the side panel off that you would need to point it at an angle though. It seem to me that you would create a negative pressure effect if it was blowing air directly into the side of the case. Since the heatsink is blowing hot air from the cpu directly out in front of it I think having a much more powerful box fan blowing against the heatsinks airflow would make the cpu almost as hot as if you didn't use a box fan. My air mechanics are a bit rusty though so I don't know if this is correct.... your idea about the pci slot is a good one..... however i have a gf2mx400 and it does not have a fan just a heatsink Good point. I didn't think about the older video cards that don't have fans on them. In this case my idea would be almost pointless it seems. Thanks for ponting it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteChedda Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 Originally posted by KurganQ2 This game crashes leaving my video card totally messed up until i restart the game and turn it off again...or reboot. Am I the only one? I have a P3 1Ghz, 512mb Ram, GeForce 2 Pro (2nd to latest drivers 21.83 i think..because the newer ones crashed Medal of Honor non stop - and people said the drivers were bad), i'm using win XP Pro Sounds like heat, add another exhaust and intake fan if you have the spots on your case..... You can get the FAN for $10 or $20, in my experience, the more expensive are quitier. Your call. I have 3 fans [all exhaust though] on my current case, I plan to add an intake pair in one of the 5.25" drive bays. If ram, CPU, or graphics chipset gets hot its instability time, since you have a P4 it is likely clocking itself down to reduce its heat, but your ram and video card are not that smart, they just go until they crash, and JK2, MOH:AA, etc.. are graphic and RAM intensive games, so........... [edit scratch teh P4 remark, you have a P3 so its not clocking itself down. Should mention that overheating a CPU can damage it.] you could use powerstrip and UNDERCLOCK your video card if you can't do the fans, but........... As to the Box fan, unless yout going to mount it to your case, the exhaust will not work well, it will suck air from the space and blow it, but it will not suck a lot of air through the holes in the case which are designed to bring cool air where it needs to be. Blowing it at it in an angle is the better solution in my experience. In fact I just bought a new case and CPU fan so I could stop using a box fan in my room. Last CPU fan lost a blade off the fan and wasn't pulling enough air without it. Got a better model this time, bigger heat sink, thermal grease, the works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY_jmr1 Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 Yes I did notice, and it would help more than if you didn't use one. I've used this technique myself. I would have to say that if you're still talking about using it with the side panel off that you would need to point it at an angle though. It seem to me that you would create a negative pressure effect if it was blowing air directly into the side of the case. Since the heatsink is blowing hot air from the cpu directly out in front of it I think having a much more powerful box fan blowing against the heatsinks airflow would make the cpu almost as hot as if you didn't use a box fan. My air mechanics are a bit rusty though so I don't know if this is correct.... ok how about this; maybe have the fan pull the air i.e. turn the fan around, and create a vacume. if you have a case with 2 side panels, i can see what you mean, however my case has one big cover just a peace of sheet metal bent in a inverted U, therefore both sides of the case are open. i mean the air from a fan can just go thru, maybe we missed on the kind of case we wear talking about...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No1zLegacy Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 ok how about this; maybe have the fan pull the air i.e. turn the fan around, and create a vacume. I think that sounds best. After all, exhaust fans play the biggest part in airflow and heat disapation in cases. So it would only make sense to use the box fan as a big exhaust fan right? To pull the hot air away from the parts. maybe we missed on the kind of case we wear talking about...... That could be, heh. I have a case with two side panels. A modified Antec KS-282. The theorys change with case design I suppose don't they. I enjoyed this little discusion SPY. E-mail me sometime or add me to your buddy list on the forums. Maybe we can argue and bounce ideas off of one another again sometime. No1zLegacy@msn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY_jmr1 Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 allright its nice to have a discussion without it degrading into a flame war. my email is SPY_jmr1@hotmail.com . i have icq# around hear someware, i will email it to you. i also can be found on the jkii.net irc chat time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*big-d* Posted April 9, 2002 Share Posted April 9, 2002 Just cleaned the fan on me vid card and now the problems is completely gone:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NerfYoda Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Originally posted by *big-d* Just cleaned the fan on me vid card and now the problems is completely gone:) w00t! Gotta love an easy fix like that. Here's some rules for efficient gaming computers: - Keep airflow within your case - keep the inside of the case clean - update to the latest drivers after verifying they'll work well on your system. Reccomend waiting a few days after the drivers come out. - I've been told it's good to try to keep your CPU under 45 deg C. Once you get to around 60 youre in big trouble. - If youre overclocking & your system crashes then stop overclocking - umm a bunch of other stuff Carry on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusan Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 ALright i don't overclock anything I do use an AMD though So, lemme get this straight. Should I have a suck or blow fan on my CPU/vid card? Should I have suck or blow fans on the sides of my case? How many fans should I put on the side of my case? If I got a better case (like the ones Alienware comps use) do you think that would work? My room is very hot. I have open windows and a fan, is there anything else I can do to make my CPU run cooler? If I use an Intel CPU, would it run cool enough to fix this problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPY_jmr1 Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 re: running cooler http://www.agaweb.com/coolcpu/build.htm as i was trying to say in your other thread, thinking about your problem it sounds like a bad ram s/d/sd/rd/imm ( ) to me you said you have 384 megs of ram, then you have either 1 128 and 1 256 or 3 128s, either way one of them may be a dud. start takeing them out one by one and see if it helps. the only other thing i can think of is have you flashed your bios with a newer version yet? i'd try the ram first though. good luck. SPY. the above was the raving of a IT guy who cant sleep;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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