Awol Posted April 11, 2002 Share Posted April 11, 2002 I have been in talks with Raven about the servers crashes but I don't have a lot of info to give them. I have qconsole logs and stuff but they need a great population of servers to try and figure out whats going on. I was thinking we should all get together in IRC someplace and talk over what we all see and put ideas out there. With luck I might be able to get someone from Raven there to answer questions and so we can voice our concerns to them directly. Also would a forum just for us admin be useful. Yes I know we have it here, but face the facts this place is slow from overuse and in the last week its been down for me at least 10 times. Raven does try to read this place. I was think of hosting a forum on a less populated server where it would only be server admins posting and let raven have all the info they want to fix the server crashing problem. Let me know. Awol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavensSoul Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 I'd be interested in a forum and discussion group like what your proposing. I personally have been waiting for this game ever since well we all know and would really like to see it established as a Top Player Game. These server crashes have been pretty irritating, but at least the clients hope right back in after a server is brought back up. How long that will last is any1's guess, and as a Community we need to do all that we are capable of to help Raven get the kinks worked out for the betterment of every one involved. From what I've seen first hand of peoples reaction to this game who have never been involved in the Star Wars universe and how big the grins get,when they slice and dice another player for the first time, well I just get excited about the gaming future again myself. I've been running UT servers for over a year now and am in charge of our LanParty Servers that we have monthly for longer than that. If there is anything that I can add to help out, it would be my pleasure to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellfireSK Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 I've hosted a great number of dedi-servers for different FPS games over the years and few were launched as kludged as this appears to be. How that can be given it's using an iD engine is beyond me, but it's still true. The first responsibility a company releasing a MP FPS title is to the server admins. Those are the people that make or break the game. If we can't make the servers do everything the players want without an act of god AND a note from our mom we'll either just stop or the players will leave. It'd be nice to see a little involvement by Raven with this. A press release announcing a new server bin is hardly keeping in touch. Hell, JK2 doesn't even merit a category on the Raven support forums. Far be it from me to advocate a course of action for Raven, but whomever is there "server" person needs to shout out where people can go to ask questions/report problems which will make it to the people that can make positive change. -h Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA|Maverick Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Meeting in a Forum and IRC would be helpful. I am running a Dedicated Server and would like to be able to discuss with others server problems and settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted April 13, 2002 Author Share Posted April 13, 2002 Hmm not a lot of response oh well. Also I noticed starting yesterday my servers have been stable had one that lasted more than 24 hours and still going. Hmm yesterday I also got an email start that Raven was checking stuff out after I told them my servers crashed. Could it be the master server was doing something funky. Anyways even a small group of people come up with big ideas when and where? I don't mind IRC, anyone have a specific network perference? It doesn't matter to me. Also what time are you all availible? I usually free during the day except the weekends as I'm hardly home. Nights are fine as well except Wednesday night. let me know Awol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jk2-digger Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 I would be willing to host the forum. Let me know if everyone really wants one and I will get to work on it this weekend. -d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 I am in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted April 14, 2002 Author Share Posted April 14, 2002 I can host the forums and have no problems doing so. The question would be do we need to? I think a chat would be more helpful at this point. If anyone is interested in this my AIM name is Awol1010 contact me (usually on during the week) Awol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agent001 Posted April 14, 2002 Share Posted April 14, 2002 Something I've noticed on the server we have over at SWG - Running the server in unpure and with the recent 3rd party skins is causing almost 100% of the crashes. I changed back to pure server and got rid of the skins and it has run perfectly fine. Don't know if you guys have come up with similar results, and I would report this to Raven, but I couldn't find any tech support other than LEC. If Raven wants server logs, etc, I'd be happy to email them any info they eant. Agent001 Star Wars Galaxies Gen Boarders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jk2-digger Posted April 14, 2002 Share Posted April 14, 2002 If people could stay on topic, this forum would suffice. Perhaps we could ask for more moderation from the server and also form an IRC chan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanBoy Posted April 14, 2002 Share Posted April 14, 2002 Hi, I’m an admin for the Jedi Knight II Barrysworld servers. We have been experiencing many problems with our servers and I think an IRC channel would be good. I have established a channel called #jediknight.uk on irc.barrysworld.com (linked to irc.quakenet.com) which contains all of the barrysworld JKII admins and a few other jkII fans. I think this might be a good place to talk about server problems, if you want to meet there, be my guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awol Posted April 14, 2002 Author Share Posted April 14, 2002 Well it looks like we have an IRC network and channel thanks FanBoy. I probably be later tonight. I have also noticed that when I added skins my servers has been crashing more as well. But I run a pureserver with skins on the server I might have to play with it next week and see. Awol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavrick063 Posted April 14, 2002 Share Posted April 14, 2002 Let's see if I can kill this thread.. seems every thread i reply to gets no responce or dies right after. IRC'S and Forums won't do any good if RAVEN and or Lucusforums go on blakballing or ignoreing admins questions just because they don't like the question. I have written a few threads in concerns with high ping rates and being so unstable and even asked if there was a seconed master server we could tie to incase the master went down so at least we would still be sending a heartbeat to a master and not just crashout. q3,q2,STVEF,and a lot of others give us a master2 and master 3 like gamespy.com and so on th tie to other than just the default master but jedi don't seem to have that luxury so if the master server goes down all our games crash. this thread was ignored with no respnce. I had one that was titled why so hungery jedi seems to be memory hungry and or bandwith hungry and sucks the resorces out of the servers (this could be the cause of alot of the crashes the admins are seeing) this thread was totaly removed from the dedicated servers area and can't be found unless you have a microscope to look for it. (I have never flamed anyone on here and my language has always been clean so that rules that out.. the only other explanation is the creators don't want to hear about problems they can't explain. I have removed the game from my server and other computers and won't play it. I have tossed the cd in the waste of money pile and have moved on and if you read threw these forums alot of the admins are starting to do the same thing because of the same results. hell no one can even tell us if there working on the problems and developing a patch or not. This game is loseing popularity in the admin comunity FAST and as a result if it continues to go ignored the game WILL FAIL. Good luck Guys it's to bad Raven is throwing away such a kick-@#$ Game. Originally posted by Awol Well it looks like we have an IRC network and channel thanks FanBoy. I probably be later tonight. I have also noticed that when I added skins my servers has been crashing more as well. But I run a pureserver with skins on the server I might have to play with it next week and see. Awol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF_DarkMinion Posted April 14, 2002 Share Posted April 14, 2002 For all of you out there already are on IRC (irc.enterthegame.com) and don't want to have to connect to two servers just to hang with other admins, Myself and Narotic, another JK2 Admin, have started up a channel irc.enterthegame.com #JK2Admins Please drop by -AnyIdea where the smaller forum will be yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[UoM]Epidemic Posted April 14, 2002 Share Posted April 14, 2002 It really is sad that the dedicated server for jedi is so poor. Even running the server using all default settings still produces crashes, not to mention trying every other little thing (turning off dismember, setting pure, etc.) I'm the admin for the University of Michigan JK2 server, and to be honest I'm glad my server is going down soon - the summer will give me a chance to dedicate my machine to a better supported game. Perhaps in the next 4-5 months Raven will actually do something to fix our server woes.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatrixCPA Posted April 14, 2002 Share Posted April 14, 2002 Nothing is perfect out of the box....but rather far from it. Yes, I've run servers for other games that had fewer problems straight away and I've run servers that had more problems. It's the same for just about all dedicated server softare--it has to evolve a bit before it's got most of the kinks worked out. People may say, "what about testing?" Well, I have friends who are software developers/programmers and when you consider all the possible ways something can be used, it's not surprising that things crop up that nobody expected. Now, I'm a bit disappointed about the 1.29f/g crash vulnerability. I'd think missing that was like missing a Mack truck coming at you. However, I take comfort in the fact that either they will address the problems or the community will die and we'll all move on to other things. It's the circle of game admin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellfireSK Posted April 15, 2002 Share Posted April 15, 2002 To reiterate: Sans-Raven, nothing we do is meaningful. The folks (or a folk) at BW has a channel open for us to congregate atm. I for one will frequent the BW irc setup, the crew that collectively functions under that banner has shown over the years to be A-1 operators. -h Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[UoM]Epidemic Posted April 15, 2002 Share Posted April 15, 2002 Sure, but there are more inherent problems: 1) The dedicated server is unsupported by both Lucas and Raven. Therefore, they have no drive at the moment to fix it even if they should find problems (which there are, mind you.) 2) Yes, the dedicated server can be used many different ways, causing unexpected results - but when you look at how many people across the board have been getting the same crash errors.. well, you get the point. 3) Obviously, there really wasn't much beta testing for this server. If there was.. well, then it was conducted in a pathetic manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanBoy Posted April 15, 2002 Share Posted April 15, 2002 To reiterate: Sans-Raven, nothing we do is meaningful. The folks (or a folk) at BW has a channel open for us to congregate atm. I for one will frequent the BW irc setup, the crew that collectively functions under that banner has shown over the years to be A-1 operators. -h Thanks Dude All the JKII BW servers are running badly atm - suffereing from: lot of lag loss of rcon the CTF server has dropped right off the JKII master list (checked, not our end) Damn raven! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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