Phayyde Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Question: How far can you train sabre+force using the bots? Background: In the beginning, I was pretty much suckin with the sabre. On whim, I trained against Initiate bots, just to give me an opportunity to practice moves, practice force combos and just go through all the motions. After about 10 duel matches, I began to win with ease. I gradually raised the difficulty level of the bots until now I can quickly beat Desann at Jedi Master difficulty. It seems too easy yet I want to continue this training, if possible. I know bots are a poor substitute for humans. Let's stick to the bot-training for now. If it really is impractical to train vs. bots, it will become obvious through experimentation. How can we config the bots to make them the most challenging? I assumed it would be Desann at Jedi Master difficulty. But he's way too easy. Just absorb + kick and he's cake. Fast. In Q3A, bots all had different behaviors and affinities for certain weapons. JKII duel mode bots definitely have affinities for dark or light powers. But how are they distinct beyond that? I've noticed that bots run predictable patterns on all the duel maps regardless of diffficulty. So what bot attributes does the bot difficulty affect? I have a sinking suspicion that the only way to train is by playing humans. I'd like to get the final word on this without downloading and perusing the public source, if possible. What are your experiences training vs bots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valdarious Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 The only thing I could really sugjest is to spawn bots in SP, I know the action is a lil bit different but you get alot the motions down and the SP AI is alot more suited towards training without real people. The bots in MP can be somewhat dumb, they tend to run away more often than fight. Its in their scripts and paths on the map that they instinctivly want to look for armor health and weapons when they dont really need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyJedi Posted April 12, 2002 Share Posted April 12, 2002 Out of curiousity, if you set up a Duel game with no force and no weapons (hence no item spawns), do the bots still run away instead of fight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelous Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 Yea, they just sem to keep on running. Its kinda funny, but just put on force speed and slaughter them. I find training with bots is good way to get basic sabre fighting down but bots are predictable. They have programmed reactions to certain attacks while humans can have a range of counter to select from. i guess the best way to train is to spectate a bit in mp and duel people at your level as much as possible, taking on anyone better will just result in your death in about 30 secs, which is really not enough time to learn anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterData Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 My friend and I have fun training together against bots, in Team FFA. We started with us 2 vs 1 bot, till it got too easy. Then we jacked up the difficulty, and finally added more bots on the other team until we could handle several at once. Also, this was good training in working as a team, using Team Heal, etc. The tricky thing about setting up a bot team vs a human team is that when the map changes, the teams get redistributed, so I have to kick some bots from our team and add them back to the other team. Is there a way to force the game to start with bots on Blue and humans on Red? Master Data Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valdarious Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 I think you could use the option to have force power teams IE: blue is lightside and Red is darkside. Not sure, never did it, but bots like Desann and Tavion(or any dark char) dont have AI for lightside, so it should work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skarfays Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 training against bots should only be for technique. In other words slash timing and accuracy. don't take them seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soul-Burn Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 VS Bot training helped me alot to understand when i'm actually doing damage and when i'm slashing frantically.. It also helped me time attacks vs red stance. Also, I've tried with saber off to evade all enemy attacks at the last second with rolls... After you do that, you can open the saber, slash and roll before the enemy hits you... I've noticed the bots use only heavy stance which is pretty much boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phayyde Posted April 13, 2002 Author Share Posted April 13, 2002 Found this in the readme.rtf. It's very helpful. BOT Personalities ----------------- Bots will use the Force power and weapon that makes the most sense at a given time. Although favored weapon and favored Force power is listed, it does not mean it will always use that weapon or ability. Bots that are aligned with other bots have the propensity to not attack their friends and will try to avenge them if they are defeated. If a bot is listed as having no Force power, that bot will use the stun baton instead of a lightsaber. THE LIGHT SIDE -------------- Luke Skywalker * Very Fast Reaction Time * Very High Accuracy * Very High Agility * Has Force Powers * Favored Force Power: Force Heal * Favored Weapon: Lightsaber Aligned with Lando, Jedi and Jedi Trainer Kyle Katarn * Fast Reaction Time * High Accuracy * Very High Agility * Has Force Powers * Favored Force Power: Force Protect * Favored Weapon: Lightsaber Aligned with Jan, Mon_Mothma, and Morgan Jedi Trainer * Fast Reaction Time * Average Accuracy * High Agility * Has Force Powers * Favored Force Power: Force Absorb * Favored Weapon: Lightsaber Aligned with Luke and Jedi Morgan * Fast Reaction Time * Average Accuracy * High Agility * Has Force Powers * Favored Force Power: Force Absorb * Favored Weapon: Lightsaber Aligned with Kyle Jedi * Fast Reaction Time * Average Accuracy * High Agility * Has Force Powers * Favored Force Power: Force Heal * Favored Weapon: Lightsaber Aligned with Luke and Jedi Trainer Jan Ors * Fast Reaction Time * Average Accuracy * Average Agility * Has Force Powers * Favored Force Power: Force Heal * Favored Weapon: Rocket Launcher Aligned with Kyle and Mon_Mothma Mon Mothma * Fast Reaction Time * Average Accuracy * Average Agility * Has Force Powers * Favored Force Power: Force Absorb * Favored Weapon: Disruptor Aligned with Kyle and Jan Prisoner * Average Reaction Time * Below Average Accuracy * Average Agility * Has Force Powers * Favored Force Power: Force Protect * Favored Weapon: Repeater Bespin Officer * Average Reaction Time * Below Average Accuracy * Below Average Agility * Has Force Powers * Favored Force Power: Force Absorb * Favored Weapon: Flechette Rebel * Average Reaction Time * Below Average Accuracy * Below Average Agility * Has Force Powers * Favored Force Power: Force Absorb * Favored Weapon: Repeater Ree-Yees * Average Reaction Time * Poor Accuracy * Below Average Agility * Has Force Powers * Favored Force Power: Force Heal * Favored Weapon: Thermal Detonator Lando Calrissian * Very Fast Reaction Time * Incredible Accuracy * Very High Agility * No Force Powers * Favored Force Power: N / A * Favored Weapon: Rocket Launcher Aligned with Luke Ugnaught * Slow Reaction Time * Abysmal Accuracy * Poor Agility * No Force Powers * Favored Force Power: N / A * Favored Weapon: Blaster Rifle THE DARK SIDE ------------- Desann * Very Fast Reaction Time * Very High Accuracy * Very High Agility * Has Force Powers * Favored Force Power: Force Lightning * Favored Weapon: Lightsaber Aligned with Tavion Tavion * Fast Reaction Time * High Accuracy * High Agility * Has Force Powers * Favored Force Power: Force Grip * Favored Weapon: Lightsaber Aligned with Desann Shadowtrooper * Fast Reaction Time * Average Accuracy * High Agility * Has Force Powers * Favored Force Power: Force Drain * Favored Weapon: Lightsaber Aligned with Reborn and Galak Reborn * Fast Reaction Time * Average Accuracy * High Agility * Has Force Powers * Favored Force Power: Force Drain * Favored Weapon: Lightsaber Aligned with Shadowtrooper and Galak Galak Fyarr * Fast Reaction Time * Average Accuracy * Average Agility * Has Force Powers * Favored Force Power: Force Drain * Favored Weapon: Rocket Launcher Aligned with Shadowtrooper and Reborn Reelo * Fast Reaction Time * High Accuracy * Average Agility * Has Force Powers * Favored Force Power: Force Grip * Favored Weapon: Repeater Chiss * Average Reaction Time * Below Average Accuracy * Average Agility * Has Force Powers * Favored Force Power: Force Lightning * Favored Weapon: Disruptor Krussk * Average Reaction Time * Below Average Accuracy * Average Agility * Has Force Powers * Favored Force Power: Force Drain * Favored Weapon: Repeater Ak-Buz * Average Reaction Time * Below Average Accuracy * Average Agility * Has Force Powers * Favored Force Power: Force Drain * Favored Weapon: Bowcaster Beedo * Average Reaction Time * Below Average Accuracy * Average Agility * Has Force Powers * Favored Force Power: Force Grip * Favored Weapon: Disruptor Lieutenant Cabbel * Average Reaction Time * Poor Accuracy * Below Average Agility * Has Force Powers * Favored Force Power: Force Drain * Favored Weapon: Repeater IW-323 * Average Reaction Time * Poor Accuracy * Below Average Agility * Has Force Powers * Favored Force Power: Force Grip * Favored Weapon: Repeater SP-597 * Average Reaction Time * Poor Accuracy * Below Average Agility * Has Force Powers * Favored Force Power: Force Rage * Favored Weapon: Repeater SW-967 * Average Reaction Time * Poor Accuracy * Below Average Agility * Has Force Powers * Favored Force Power: Force Grip * Favored Weapon: Flechette TK-421 * Slow Reaction Time * Abysmal Accuracy * Poor Agility * No Force Powers * Favored Force Power: N / A * Favored Weapon: Blaster Rifle ############################################################### Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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