Maynard Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 shameless bragging thread. i just got a GeForce 4 ti4600 128mb. Oh. MY. FRIGGIN. this is INSANE. i upraged from a GeForce 256. YES you read right an ORIGINAL GeForce. The GF4 is cool. But everyone knows that. I shut up now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapaca Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 DUDE!!!!!! I just upgraded from a GeForce 256 to a GeForce 4 Ti 4600!! HE HE that thing is awesome! Wait till you get to the Swamp level. The fog on the water ROCKS!!! WHOO HOO!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prox Kolari Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 What's your lowest FPS, like in the swamp? I have a GF3, but might sell it and get a GF4... I get moderate slowdown in there. It's okay, but I want like none.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughJ Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 there isn't much reason to bother upgrading from a Gef3 to Gef4, when considering they have new architecture-based hardware coming out for their next product cycle... Gef4 is really just a speed binned Gef3 with an extra vertex shader.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Njal Storm Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 Originally posted by Prox Kolari What's your lowest FPS, like in the swamp? I have a GF3, but might sell it and get a GF4... I get moderate slowdown in there. It's okay, but I want like none.. lowest in in the 40's. i have ti4600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creston Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 Originally posted by Sapaca DUDE!!!!!! I just upgraded from a GeForce 256 to a GeForce 4 Ti 4600!! HE HE that thing is awesome! Wait till you get to the Swamp level. The fog on the water ROCKS!!! WHOO HOO!!! I get that on my old Geforce 2 GTS Still, will get a Geforce 4, presumably, for when I get a new rig. This one is getting old. As for upgrading from a Geforce 3 to a Geforce 4, why bother? JK2 is in NO WAY stressing the capabilities of a Geforce 3 (trust me on this), so your slowdown is coming from another part of your computer. Upgrading to a Geforce 4 then will see absolutely no improvement, and you'll have wasted +/- 300 dollars on making Nvidia even more happy. Be my guest, but don't expect it to do much Btw Maynard, which one did you get (yes I know, ti4600, I mean manufacturer) and how much did you pay for it? Thanks. Creston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanMO Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 Upgrading to a geforce 4 a waste of time??? Depends on how you look at it. A geforce 3 is enough for today, but what other games coming out within the next year 0r two. Eventually we will all be upgrading to a 4ti or someting like it. thats just the way it works. so why not now??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creston Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 There are two ways you can look at it : 1) You are a SOTA (State Of The Art) junkie. This means that whenever something new comes out that is faster, better, flashier, etc, you must buy it. If you have a P4 2GHZ, and Intel releases it's P4 2.2 GHZ (or AMD's equivalent), you will buy it. If you have a Geforce 3 Ti500, you will upgrade to a Geforce 4 Ti4600. This is a valid way of doing things, but it has nothing to do with the argument "but what other games coming out within the next year 0r two. " 2) You upgrade when it makes sense. Logically, you should upgrade when your machine can no longer handle the games you are playing to your own satisfaction. Right now, there are NO games even coming NEAR stressing the limit of even a Geforce3 Ti200 (the lowest model). None of the games come near it. By this, I mean that while if you put in a Geforce 4 Ti4600 in your machine, you will presumably see some framerate increase (if you have a fast enough processor. I think the Geforce 3 kinda tops out at about a 1.8Ghz processor, so below that I don't think you'll see any increase at ALL), this will in no way either be noticeable (you cannot see the difference between 80fps and 120 fps, except for in a counter), or enhance the gameplaying experience. In 2 years time, there MIGHT be games that stress the Geforce 3. Why upgrade now to prepare for a game that comes out in 2 years time, when in the meantime, Nvidia will have released the Geforce 5, 6, 7 AND 8? All of which WILL be better than your Geforce 4. See what I mean? The poster in question who said he was thinking about getting a Geforce 4, because he has slowdown in Yavin Swamp, I merely warned him that upgrading to a Geforce 4 would not remove that problem, because the bottleneck that's causing the slowdown is somewhere else. There is nothing in JK2 that stresses a Geforce 3, so if you are getting slowdowns somewhere, the problem is in a different part in your computer. Remember, your total computer only runs as fast as your slowest component. You can put a Geforce4 in a Pentium 2 300mhz, and JK2 will run like crap. Comparitively, you can have an Ahtlon 1900XP, and switch from a Geforce 3 to a Geforce 4, and you'll see your max framerates go up from perhaps 150 to 180 or so. What's the difference? NOTICEABLE difference? Hey, if you are a number 1, go for it. I used to be a SOTA junkie for a long time, until it got really ridiculously expensive to be one. But right NOW, upgrading from a Geforce 3 to a Geforce 4 makes no sense. You will see NO difference in any of your games, they will not be more beautiful, they will not run NOTICEABLY faster etc. I'd wait for the Geforce 5 to come out, which, Nvidia knowing, will have quite a few more cool features that no games will ever use, but in that case you can at least say you bought something new, as opposed to the same thing that just runs a little faster "Eventually we will all be upgrading to a 4ti or someting like it. thats just the way it works." I think you'll find that a lot of people don't upgrade by numbers, (the way Nvidia wants them to). I've personally gone from a Voodoo3 to a Geforce 2, skipped the Geforce 3, and will now PROBABLY get a Geforce 4, but who knows. If I don't get my new computer within the next six months, I'll probably wait for the Geforce 5. My machine runs everything pretty well still, I get massive slowdown in yavin Swamp (down to 12 fps), but that's because I run everything at nearly top settings. And putting in a Geforce 3 won't help those fps any. My Geforce2 is handling stuff fine. The problem is my old Athlon 700 But hey, it's just advice. Feel free to do whatever you want to. Just don't expect slowdowns with a geforce 3 to mysteriously vanish once you get a geforce 4. Just a fair bit of warning from a techie. Creston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortal LuD Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 GeForce4 Ti4600 is nothing but a waste of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOBALT_KORE Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 what kind of comps do you guys have your geforce 4's in if your previous video card was a geforce??? CUz, I'm thinking of buying a geforce 4 4200 when it comes out, but i got an older computer.... this would help me out... thanx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_One Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 Uhm i've got a Geforce 2 MX 400 64MB and i can still see that cool fog at the swamps. I think i can see anything without problems. I play mp and sp in a resolution of 1024*768 and it works fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mattman Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 Originally posted by seanMO Upgrading to a geforce 4 a waste of time??? Depends on how you look at it. A geforce 3 is enough for today, but what other games coming out within the next year 0r two. Eventually we will all be upgrading to a 4ti or someting like it. thats just the way it works. so why not now??? NVidia has a 6 month product cycle. New card comes out in the spring (ie, geforce3), upgrade and budget models comes in the fall (ie, geforce3 ti500 / ti 200). Two years from now, we'll all be wanting a geforce6, assuming that they're still using the geforce architecture (I doubt it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughJ Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 last I checked, the next nvidia model won't be using geforce architecture like it is now, and won't be the 'geforce' brand... the nv30 is the first project that a lot of the 3dfx engineers started work on after being hired by nvidia... perhaps we'll be fortunate to see some implementation of gigapixel tech, etc.. look for the next nvidia product to be one of their bigger leaps in architecture.. definitely something that'll be worth waiting for.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creston Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 Originally posted by KOBALT_KORE what kind of comps do you guys have your geforce 4's in if your previous video card was a geforce??? CUz, I'm thinking of buying a geforce 4 4200 when it comes out, but i got an older computer.... this would help me out... thanx Well I'm currently running an Athlon 700 with a Geforce 2 and some tweaks here and there, it runs fine, I get some slowdowns in certain areas in certain games, but nothing all that horrendous. Putting in a Geforce 4 in this one, however, won't do me a whole lot of good. It's the processor, not the graphics card that's having problems. If I put a Geforce 4 into my current rig, the Geforce will be going like "Yawn... This place sure is boring... Oh wait! Another command from the processor. What's this then? Draw this pixel here? Alright. Done. What's next? ... Hello? ... Processor? .... Man, I can't believe I'm in this slow crap...Oh here he is. Draw pixel there? Sure thing buddy. All done. Now what? Oh COME ON, can you really NOT go ANY faster than this? I think I'll take a sidejob, delivering pizzas or something.." So depending on how "old" your computer is when you say "old", it's dubious if you'd get any performance increase. What are you running, and what's your current graphics card? Send me a personal message if you want me to have a look at your setup and give you some advice Cheers Creston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darthtoast Posted April 13, 2002 Share Posted April 13, 2002 according to guru3d.com here are some rumored specs of the next nVidia card: You wanted NV30 RUMORED spec`s? Here they are!!!! Please rember these are RUMORED spec`s NOT final or 100% factual.... Just RUMORED spec`s! Omen Card AGP 4x and 8x Copper Core Gpu Processor 0.13 m default clock 450 MHz 73 million transistors 8 pipes Quad Vertex Shaders 85 bone capable Lightspeed Memory Architecture II Quad Cache memory caching subsystem Dual Z-buffers for greater compression without losses visibility subsystem NvAuto pre-charge Advanced Anisotropic Filtering: A new 12nvx mode that delivers improved subpixel coverage ,texture placement and quality. 12nvx mode should deliver 80% better subpixel coverage and placement than previous modes A seprate second processor running at 450Mhz an 0.13m as well Will handel all T&L now called TT&L (True Time and lighting) . Plus new NVShaper a prechached and precacheable system. That has precached shapes cirles,squares,triangles,and other shapes. Programmers can also add shapes to be temporaly stored in it`s precache to speed things up. This should speed things up and make standard shapes more accurate! 128 MB DDR-SDRAM @ 375 MHz x2 = 750Mhz and 256 bit yes 256 bit! 370Mhz RAMDAC Direct X 9.X compatable Latest Open Gl backward glide capable Comes with New NvBlur (Yes a new version of Glide!) NView Multi-display Technology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapaca Posted April 14, 2002 Share Posted April 14, 2002 what kind of comps do you guys have your geforce 4's in if your previous video card was a geforce??? I have a: Dell 866mhz 256mb of RDRAM (Going To Urgrade To 512mb) Windows XP Altec Lansing THX 4.1 Speakers SB Live! Value (Waiting For Upgrade Disk For Audigy Gamer that I Have) 19inch Trinitron Monitor Visiontek GeForce 4 Ti 4600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Yoyo Posted April 14, 2002 Share Posted April 14, 2002 What Creston said. Also to add if you wait a year or two until a game comes out that needs a GeForce4 to buy one you will get one that will cost a lot less. Two months ago I upgraded from a Voodoo3 2000 PCI to a GeForce3 Ti 200. It was a muchly needed upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanMO Posted April 14, 2002 Share Posted April 14, 2002 Actually im not a sotaj(state of the art junkie.) the only thing state of the art is my vid card. There actually is a benefit to a geforce 4ti over a 3ti. Ive had both so i should know. I can turn the res, up and turn AA on without loosing any significant amount of FPS compared to the 3ti. that is a real and current benefit. I didnt think i was going to get a sorta flame for a plausible arguement. Im not here to start an arguement about this but the fact is, the people who say a 4ti is a waste of money dont actually have it do they?? kinda weak to argue against a product that you havent experienced. Another thing to is that games like U2 with high poly counts will benfit from a 4ti and thats only a few months away. The extra speed might not be as significant as the extra 64MB of memory will be for rendering the increasingly more complex textures. And I have played JK2 with both a 3ti200 and a 4ti440. the truth is from a person(myself) with actual experience(not from whats read in a magazine) is that my res. can be turned up higher , AA can be turned on. and im still getting the same or better FPS. And yavin swamp doesnt drop below 60. Before it went into the 30s with a lower res. and AA off. Im not trying to argue, just presenting facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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