You Owe Us!!

[Fatal-x]

I HAVE BEEN TRYING FOR A WEEK NOW TO GET THIS GAME TO WORK.

IVE TRIED ALL THE SUGESTIONS AND FIXES OTHERS HAVE TRIED.

REFORMATTED,CLEAN INSTALL OF WINDOWS(TRIED 98 AND XP)

TRIED ALL DRIVERS I COULD FIND,REINSTALLED DIRECT X.....THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.

AMD T-BIRD 1.4

GEFORCE 3 TI 200

40 GIG IBM HD

SOUNDBLASTER 512

256 MEGS RAM

CABLE RR

 

I THINK ITS ONLY FAIR THAT IF THE BOX SAYS YOU NEED WINDOWS,3D ACCELERATOR,AND A DECENT PROCESSOR TO RUN THE GAME....THEN THATS ALL IT SHOULD TAKE.

 

IF THE DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO TEST A GAME ON CERTAIN SYSTEMS THEN THAT NEEDS TO BE ON THE BOX ALSO.A NICE FRIENDLY MESSAGE THAT SAYS"IF YOU DONT HAVE ONE OF THESE SYSTEMS THEN THE GAME PROBABLY WONT WORK FOR YOU ON YOUR SYSTEM."

 

BUT,THERE IS NO SUCH WARNING ON THE BOX.

IT WOULDNT SUPRISE ME IF THEY ONLY TRIED IT ON ONE SYSTEM.

 

SINCE IVE INSTALLED THIS GAME,MORE THINGS SEEM TO BE GOING WRONG.

OTHER GAMES CRASH THE SAME WAY NOW TOO.I GOT REALLY IRRITATED WHEN EXPLORER CRASHED THE SAME WAY.

 

 

BTW ..IN CASE NOBODY KNOWS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT.ITS THE INFAMOUSE SOUND LOOP BUG,HARD CRASH,COLD REBOOT.

REALLY PISSES ME OFF!!!

 

SO FAR RAVEN,LUCASARTS,AND ACTIVISIONS SUPPORT HAS BEEN NONE.

WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY?DID THEY MAKE SO MUCH MONEY THAT THEY DONT HAVE TO WORK ANYMORE?OR ARE THEY SO ASHAMED OF THEIR GAME AND THE NUMBER OF POSTS ON THE FORUM THAT THEY ARE HIDING?

 

YOU TELL ME.

 

EITHER SOMEONE NEEDS TO SEND ME SOME MONEY OR GET OFF THEIR ASSES AND FIX THE DAMN GAME!!

 

AND I DONT CARE ABOUT FLAMING...IM SURE MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THE FORUMS ARE HERE FOR SIMILLIAR REASONS AND ARENT HAPPY EITHER.

[Jokis]

I dont know about you guys...but I think you're the only one who's experiencing these problems. If you're too lazy to look at the minimum hardware recquirements on the box, then you dont deserve to complain when something bad happens. Hell, if you dont have the time to write a non-caps'ed rant then you have no right to post here either.

[Fatal-x]

easy for you to say if the problem isnt effecting you.you are so damn helpful.why bother posting if you have nothing to say...idiot.

if you would have not been so lazy you would have read the entire post and could have determined that i obviously read the box.

I also posted my system specs...so mr.smartass you tell me why it dont friggin work on my system.

[Jokis]

I'm sorry that I didnt read your flame to the point but, honestly, caps are hard on my eyes.

 

There's a lot of possible reasons why the game isnt working on your machine, so let's calm down for a moment.

 

1. Make sure you've got the latest Geforce 3 drivers.

2. Make sure you have defragamented your computer, if it's giving you troubles.

3. Make sure you have updated all your sound drivers; if you're using Windows XP then this is easy. Just go to Windows Update.

 

I'm not really familiar with the problem you're discribing. I am aware of a bug of somesort that kills the sound during some live cutscenes. If this happens at start-up, perhaps you've got a lot of programs open. Perhaps your audio settings are too high. Perhaps...perhaps, this is just a bug that affects AMD processors. We dont really know, I'm not apart of RAVEN nor has the game been out a sufficient amount of time.

 

Just fiddle with your game settings and see what you can minimize before you make the game spiffy again.

 

Or take the game back...if it hasnt met your expectations, dont whine and complain about something that might not be solved for awhile; do something about it.

[[iis]Hitman]

I've been having terrible problems with the game too and also tried everything (even to the point of using not-yet-released NVidia drivers). Absolutely nothing works and you get the same answer everywhere: "Did you install the latest drivers", even if you specifically said that you did. (for your info, I have the corrupted models bug which is playable to the point where you get your lightsaber, because you can't see yourself or you lightsaber in 3th person mode).

 

So I can understand the way Fatal-x reacted, because I have a useless game lying here and nobody officially comes forward and says that the game is having terrible problems and a patch will be released soon.

[ummester]

I don't know if you tried this but you've tried so much else it couldn't hurt...

 

Install from a copy. One of the files in this game has protection in it and I remember reading that it caused a lot of systems hangs.

 

Burn the data from your game disk onto another. Install from that and apply a crack. Keep the original.exe file for updates.

 

If that doesn't work and you still really want to play the game. Remove your sound card drivers and see it it runs without sound. If it does you know what the problem is atleast.

 

By the way, it is one of the better games to come along in a while but it is nowhere near as good as Jedi Knight or even Dark Forces for that matter.

[WhiteChedda]

Originally posted by Fatal-x

 

I HAVE BEEN TRYING FOR A WEEK NOW TO GET THIS GAME TO WORK.

 

Only 1 week? I tried for 8 months for UT, 1 week classifies and the beginning, calm down. There is still time. And get off this Caps BS.

 

IVE TRIED ALL THE SUGESTIONS AND FIXES OTHERS HAVE TRIED.

REFORMATTED,CLEAN INSTALL OF WINDOWS(TRIED 98 AND XP)

TRIED ALL DRIVERS I COULD FIND,REINSTALLED DIRECT X.....THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.

 

Well, so far you've tried video drivers, and 2 OS's, that's not much IMO. Though knowing what the issue is will help make other suggestions.

 

AMD T-BIRD 1.4

GEFORCE 3 TI 200

40 GIG IBM HD

SOUNDBLASTER 512

256 MEGS RAM

CABLE RR

 

How about what OEM made your computer, that or what motherboard you have at least? SB512? Oh the PCI512, I forgot about that thing. I assume you have been here for new drivers also? http://www.soundblaster.com/support/drivers/

 

I THINK ITS ONLY FAIR THAT IF THE BOX SAYS YOU NEED WINDOWS,3D ACCELERATOR,AND A DECENT PROCESSOR TO RUN THE GAME....THEN THATS ALL IT SHOULD TAKE.

 

Well let's take into account that we don't know what the exact problem is yet, first before we throw stones.

 

I have an Athlon 750, with an SBLive and GF1 DDR, on an Asus K7V and it runs fine here. Though the via chipset is not exactly what one would call stable since I got it.

 

IF THE DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO TEST A GAME ON CERTAIN SYSTEMS THEN THAT NEEDS TO BE ON THE BOX ALSO.A NICE FRIENDLY MESSAGE THAT SAYS"IF YOU DONT HAVE ONE OF THESE SYSTEMS THEN THE GAME PROBABLY WONT WORK FOR YOU ON YOUR SYSTEM."

 

Do you even have the ability to comprehend the number of combinations of hardware and driver versions you can have on a PC?

 

BUT,THERE IS NO SUCH WARNING ON THE BOX.

IT WOULDNT SUPRISE ME IF THEY ONLY TRIED IT ON ONE SYSTEM.

 

Why not thats all you have tried it on? right?

 

SINCE IVE INSTALLED THIS GAME,MORE THINGS SEEM TO BE GOING WRONG.

OTHER GAMES CRASH THE SAME WAY NOW TOO.I GOT REALLY IRRITATED WHEN EXPLORER CRASHED THE SAME WAY.

 

Indicating its not the game but your system that has a problem.

 

BTW ..IN CASE NOBODY KNOWS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT.

 

Well at least you know you are babbeling incoherently, then....

 

EITHER SOMEONE NEEDS TO SEND ME SOME MONEY OR GET OFF THEIR ASSES AND FIX THE DAMN GAME!!

 

Will you use that money to see a psychologist?

 

AND I DONT CARE ABOUT FLAMING...IM SURE MOST OF THE PEOPLE IN THE FORUMS ARE HERE FOR SIMILLIAR REASONS AND ARENT HAPPY EITHER.

 

Thats a good thing, because like your social habbits, you suck at it....

[Threetall]

Be nice cheese-man

[Threetall]

FYI - the "combinations" argument is not a strong as those who use it think it is. Yes, there are many different possible combinations of hardware, but there are not that many API's and thats what decides what runs and what doesn't. There are far fewer API's and its not unreasonable to think that a games designer can garauntee a game will run on all of them. Especially when other games and apps do.

 

Just take that into consideration when you (as in anyone) defends Raven with the "combinations" defense.

[Disrespect]

you people are something else , this guy comes here to say he wants to play this game and after trying everything that he knows how to do or has thought of , and is asking for help . all you can do is be rude to him . wtf is that ? so he used caps big deal when im mad i do it too . instead of being rude arses to him why not try and sugest some stuff first ? . flaim me all you want im not the 1 being rude here :/..

 

anyways fatal-x . what exactly is the game doing ? does it start at all and then crashes ? . I had problems with this game when i first started it up too . but after tweaking it up and getting the latest drivers for all my hardware . not just the video , but the sound , mobo chipset and even mouse keyboard drivers , after i had all the latest drivers it played a little better but the sound was all screwed up . so i went reading through all these posts in this forum and at http://www.rage3d.com under the pcgames section .

in 1 of these forums i seen a post on tweaking the config file .

well after making some adjustments in that file my game runs alot better . still have some slow downs in fight seens and large areas . but the fps doesnt fall below 50 . and i stay at about 100 .

 

anyways man . i know its a pain but read through the forums and look for posts that have to do with tweaking or some1 asking for help . if i where you i would be pretty frustrated with the replys i have gotten so far , and sorry im not much more of a help . but trust me you are not the only 1 that has had problems with the game and there things you can do to fix them . if i see any usefull info i will come back and give a link and hope it helps you to enjoy this great game . imo this game is great , lots of puzzle solving and lots of chances to use the kick ass light saber .

 

sys specs

1.2 amd athlon

256 pc 2100 ddr ram

radeon 7500 290/229@304/245

sb live!5.1

asus a7m266 mobo

logitech mouseman+ optical

 

peace>

[Fatal-x]

Thanks to those who tried to be helpful.Even cheezeman has a point.

 

The main reason i got so mad was,all this crashing crap didnt happen until after i installed outcast.So if its a problem with my system now then the game caused it.Everything crashes the same way....sound loop and nothing works after.

Everything locks up.It first happened in JO.Then in other games and now it happens when im not even in a game.Its not unique to me either.Ive read alot of other posts where people have had the same thing happen to them since the install of JO.

 

I didnt list all the things ive tried cause that would take another week,and half the forums to post.Im not lazy.I did try all the sugestions that others posted and have spent alot of time(in between crashes)searching the net for similliar problems or possible work arounds.

 

BTW if you spent 8 months trying to get UT to work,then YOU need a psychiatrist, chezzy.If the only reason you are on these forums is to talk **** to people looking for help,you must be a turd.

 

and i apologize for the caps....i typed half of my post before i notice it was in caps...lol.I wasnt about to start over cause explorer crashed with a sound loop right in the middle of the last post i tried to type.

 

anyway...if anyone finds out anything,please let me know,and i will do the same.

[BooJediHamster]

I should point out that if this guy was asking for help rather than going of into a bearly coherent shouted rant then I would be the first to want to help him out.

 

 

I spent about 2 months getting UR to mostly work when it came out on my old PC.

 

 

Now as for there being only a few APIs, this is true unfortunately the way different bits of hardware support these APIs varies a lot as does the efficiency of the drives. Also some bit's of software and hardware can effect each others performance.

 

Also provided he has the origional software and proof of purchase he should be able to return the game to the place he bought it, if that's what he wants. If no then I suggest going to a more reasonable software seller.

 

I also have to agree that the fact his having problems in other software suggests his entire system is rather unstable and it's not just this game.

 

Has anyone in the last 5 years produced a game that would run perfectly on any PC that complied with the simple spec given on the box regardless of software and driver configuration.

 

UR

UT

Quake1,2,3

Deus Ex

AvP

AvP2

Blood2

 

They all had problems on some systems.

 

P.S. runs perfectly on my PC unlike some other FPS games I've played in the past.

[WhiteChedda]

Originally posted by Threetall

FYI - the "combinations" argument is not a strong as those who use it think it is. Yes, there are many different possible combinations of hardware, but there are not that many API's and thats what decides what runs and what doesn't. There are far fewer API's and its not unreasonable to think that a games designer can garauntee a game will run on all of them. Especially when other games and apps do.

 

Just take that into consideration when you (as in anyone) defends Raven with the "combinations" defense.

 

OK, I assume you understand how to do Basic statistics, so I'll give you the numbers for Brands alone, not models, adn I will use pricewatch which does NOT cover every version, BTw.

 

Motherboards: 39

Video cards - 75

Soundcards - 27

Ram - 52

Harddrive - 51

CD Drives [we'll exclude CD-ram drives] - 62

CPU - 3 [Via still makes CPU's via the old Cyrix comapny purchase]

OS - 98, ME, W2k, XP Home, XP Pro, that would be 4,

 

Keep in mind this exclused driver revisions as it does not cover particular models under each brand name.

 

Basic statistics will yield somewhere around...............

a ****load of combinations, despite your dislike of the fact.

[WhiteChedda]

Originally posted by Fatal-x

Thanks to those who tried to be helpful.Even cheezeman has a point.

 

The main reason i got so mad was,all this crashing crap didnt happen until after i installed outcast.So if its a problem with my system now then the game caused it.Everything crashes the same way....sound loop and nothing works after.

Everything locks up.It first happened in JO.Then in other games and now it happens when im not even in a game.Its not unique to me either.Ive read alot of other posts where people have had the same thing happen to them since the install of JO.

 

Understood.. But just because a man drove by in a suspicious looking car when you heard gun fire, doens't mean he was shooting either. Its possible JO caused the problem, but as it does not modify suystem files, unless you had to install the DirectX application [in which case that means MS may be at fault, or more likely the driver you currently have for the card], it should not have installed any system files, so.............?

 

I didnt list all the things ive tried cause that would take another week,and half the forums to post.Im not lazy.I did try all the sugestions that others posted and have spent alot of time(in between crashes)searching the net for similliar problems or possible work arounds.

 

You'd of been better to list none of the things you tried then, but alas, if you don't then we don't know what to suggest either.

 

BTW if you spent 8 months trying to get UT to work,then YOU need a psychiatrist, chezzy.If the only reason you are on these forums is to talk **** to people looking for help,you must be a turd.

 

Where did I claim I'm not already seeing one?

It ain't easy being cheesy. And yeah, I gave Epic 8 months to release a patch that fixed it, after that I just gave up and decided to avoid thier products.

 

and i apologize for the caps....i typed half of my post before i notice it was in caps...lol.I wasnt about to start over cause explorer crashed with a sound loop right in the middle of the last post i tried to type.

 

anyway...if anyone finds out anything,please let me know,and i will do the same.

[Threetall]

You could have a kajillion in each hardware type. My premise is that there are more standards and standardization now then there were before. There really isnt that many unique systems out there. Certainly not enough that a games designer cannot accomodate them all. Certainly not as many as game designers in the past faced.

If you must argue statistics then bring in the actual numbers of those componenets in use.

 

This game is having trouble with all the most popular computer hardware components. It shouldn't.

[WhiteChedda]

Originally posted by Threetall

You could have a kajillion in each hardware type. My premise is that there are more standards and standardization now then there were before. There really isnt that many unique systems out there. Certainly not enough that a games designer cannot accomodate them all. Certainly not as many as game designers in the past faced.

If you must argue statistics then bring in the actual numbers of those componenets in use.

 

This game is having trouble with all the most popular computer hardware components. It shouldn't.

 

 

Wait a second, the arguement was raven should have LISTED the system they tested it on, now its suddenly changing in your little imagination. My point was there are TOO many combinations to list on a GAME box, period, and if you want actual numbers you'd be crazy, I was going easy by limiting it to brand names.

 

Shit, I could go on and on using models, even of the same basic chipsets because if you think a creative board and a PNY board are clones of each other you're wrong. They each have nvidia chips, but use different circuit baords, memory brands and types, resistors, etc.....

 

Video Cards:

Dell TNT2U, TNT2 M64, GF1 SDR, GF1 DDR, GF2 GTS, GF2 Ultra, GF MX 400, GF MX200, GTS3 Ti500, GF3 Ti 200, GF4 Ti4200, GF4Ti4600, MX420, MX440, MX460

Guillemont/herc TNT2U, TNT2 M64, GF1 SDR, GF1 DDR, GF2 GTS, GF2 Ultra, GF MX 400, GF MX200, GTS3 Ti500, GF3 Ti 200, GF4 Ti4200, GF4Ti4600, MX420, MX440, MX460

PNY TNT2 M64, GF MX 400, GF MX200, GTS3 Ti500, GF3 Ti 200, GF4 Ti4200, GF4Ti4600, MX420, MX440, MX460

Creative Labs TNT2U, TNT2 M64, GF1 SDR, GF1 DDR, GF2 GTS, GF2 Ultra, GF MX 400, GF MX200, GTS3 Ti500, GF3 Ti 200, GF4 Ti4200, GF4Ti4600, MX420, MX440, MX460

ATI 7000LE, 7000, 7500, 8500, Rage Fury Maxx

Herc Prophet II 4500

3dfx - Voodoo3, Voodoo4, Voodoo 5 5000, Voodoo 5 PCI

[THIS EXCLUDES LAPTOP CHIPSETS and neglects integraded chipsets as well which you can assume is 1/mobo brand]

Total Video cards variations: 64

 

 

Sound cards:

Creative Labs - Awe 64, Ensoniq, PCI 128, PCI 512, SB Live, SBLive 5:1, SB Audigy

Aureal - Vortex 1000, Vortex 2000

Phillips - PC703, PC705, PC706, PC602

Yamaha - SW1000XG

Diamond - Monster Sound 200, 300, 400

Tuttle Beach - SantaCruz

 

Total Sound card variations: 18

 

Lets stop at just one more component, say CPU and we won;t bother with different speed ratings

 

Intel: P3, P4, new P4 core, Celeron II

AMD: Athlon, T-Bird, Duron, Athlon XP

 

Total Cpu's: 8

 

64 * 18 = 1152

1152 * 8 = 9216

 

It's still more than you care to type, and I let you off easy again, you add Ram, motherboard, CDROM, and OS and it grows exponentially.

[Threetall]

I agree there are too many combo's to put on a game box. But there is never too many combinations of hardware to program for. If there were, they would likley put an exclusion list on the box. Shoot, there are less manyufacturers now.

 

The game is buggy. Games are buggy. I don't know why you keep using the "combinations" argument.

 

FYI...nothing changed in "my little imagination". I have stuck to my story. Try not to insult me as you insulted the original poster. Its demeaning.

[Fatal-x]

everyone....thanks for the rant and rave session,was.... if nothing else amusing while i figured out the problem myself.

actually i followed the advice of another poster who said to copy the contents of the original cd and install the game from my hd.

turns out that i had a corrupt install.everything seems to be ok now as i have played online for about 2 hrs this morning and nothing too bad happened.

I did however have a new experience where upon map changes my game froze.luckily i was able to ctrl,alt,delete out of it.

Only had to restart after to fix the gamma on my desktop.

Im not going to ask for help here because ive already seen similliar posts pertaining to this problem elsewhere.

 

thanks all for your input and interest in this post

 

 

 

Fatal

[Raith]

If you are getting the Sound Loop crash, this is a known problem with the Quake 3 Engine. There is a fix and you need to DL a file, cant remember where from though, try looking on Google

[WhiteChedda]

Originally posted by Threetall

I agree there are too many combo's to put on a game box. But there is never too many combinations of hardware to program for. If there were, they would likley put an exclusion list on the box. Shoot, there are less manyufacturers now.

 

The game is buggy. Games are buggy. I don't know why you keep using the "combinations" argument.

 

 

Really? Nvidia & ATI have both released 3 offical drivers revisions since Raven announced they were working on JK2. DO you propose they stop development and go see what parts of their code is now incompatible with new drivers? You realize of course it is Nvidia's and ATI's repooncibility to MEET the opengl specs correctly. that wouyld be covered by the 100% Opengl compatible video card part of that list......

 

Never said the game was not buggy, EVERY piece of software out there is, thats life in the computer industry, even console titles are buggy, GT2 has you driving on air in parts of it. But in the original rant, he doesn't give enough info to determine exactly where the problem lies.

 

less manufacturers? Are not not reading what I am writting, because let me finnish it, I am only covering parts available in the USA, try looking up the ones in Thailand or China some time.

 

I think I provred my point with factual numbers, keep twisting the original posters statement into whatever you want, but the flat out truth is, I clarified my statements, and yes, despite your denial, you are changing yours.

[BunnyTea]

your problems are definitely not isolated... seems like everyone has these probs... i did too... the way i fixed it is to make a burned copy of the game from a computer that actually runs JK2 without probs...

[Threetall]

Originally posted by WhiteChedda

I think I proved my point with factual numbers, keep twisting the original posters statement into whatever you want, but the flat out truth is, I clarified my statements, and yes, despite your denial, you are changing yours.

 

LOL. Please. By all means show me where I changed my story.

 

Look at it from this way then. Since you give Raven the excuse of combinations, supposed I called Raven tech support. Tell them that my game wont run. I list my computer specs. By your reasoning the tech support guy can say "Sorry, thats one of the combinations we didnt code it for. "

 

[WhiteChedda]

Originally posted by Threetall

 

LOL. Please. By all means show me where I changed my story.

 

Look at it from this way then. Since you give Raven the excuse of combinations, supposed I called Raven tech support. Tell them that my game wont run. I list my computer specs. By your reasoning the tech support guy can say "Sorry, thats one of the combinations we didnt code it for. "

 

 

His original post said they should LIST them, period, Thats where this started your talking abouit something COMPLETELY different.

 

What he was requesting is impossible.....

 

AS to what YOU want, Is this it by any chance?

 

http://support.lucasarts.com/trg/tg.asp?id=120&x=99&y=16#SECTION12

[Threetall]

I still don't see where you said I changed my story?

[Death-Dude]

I've had a very similar problem, I lock up at the first white screen avter the Q3 console starts to initialize the game. This was insurmountable on my GF2 card. Now, I have a GF4 4400, and I have been able to get into the game, but not consistently, very often locking up at the white screen prior to the lucasarts logo. When I've been in the game, it all runs fine, until I try to change video settings, resulting in a lockup on the video restart. Here's a poser: I did have the game running ok for a while, after turning all the textures and color depth to 16-bit, and actually was able to go to 800X600. Today, I tried to go to 1024X768, and it locked up again, even locking up after uninstalling, deleting the folder, and reinstalling the whole thing. I think I have enough system to run it, and I've tried several nVidia drivers to get a fit. (28.32, 23.12, 27.30. 27.50, 27.70) Tried going to the supplied DX8.0a, and back to 8.1. I have the current Via drivers installed. Tried the same on my WinXP drive used in the same system, no go. When I've been in-game, it seems very responsive, like it would tolerate going up in video resolution, but I lock up every stinkin' time I try to raise it now. Any input would be helpful, to me and the guy who started this thread. Thanks!

 

system:

Antec KS-280 300W PS

8K7A

1.2 Ghz Athlon

256M Micron 2100 DDR

256M Crucial 2100 DDR

eVGA GF4 4400 Ti

Maxtor 30G 7200

HP 9350i CD-RW

Memorex CD-ROM

SB Live X-gamer

2 NICs

3Com

Linksys

Win98 SE