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Hey, I also wanna add that I think it's horrible that Raven isn't at least saying anything. How unprofessional is that?! This game is constantly crashing & freezing at various times for many people with good systems, including me, and Raven has nothing to say about it? :mad:

 

 

My specs:

1.6 Ghz Athlon XP

64 Mb Nvidia GeForce 2 MX with 23.11 drivers

256 Mb RAM

61 Gb harddrive

Win 98 SE

DirectX 8.1

 

 

Raven where are you? There's nothing I hate more than joining a duel server, spectating for 5 minutes, I finally get to play, and BOOM the screen goes black! Or I'm on a duel or ffa server, doing well, and then the same thing happens. Or in single player with these really ridiculously hard puzzles and powerful enemies and the game freezes. Raven, I'm not saying forget SOF2, but please come acknowledge what the story is.

 

Game development process is like any software process. Raven was given the specification to make a sequel to Jedi Knight using the Quake 3 engine. So they did all the designs of every piece of the game; code and artwork. So they coded all the parts of the game and brought it together. However their testing was not good because they overlooked the game freezing. They didn't do a good job of verification and completely missed an unexpected fault.

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It also only happened after I installed a new skin. This, to me, means there is something wrong with the game.

 

Are you serious? Has it not occured to you at some that the unsupported, third party addon you installed could have something to do with your issues? Especially since you imply the installation of the skin marked the beginning of your problems. That's what we in the biz call a "correlation".

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This might seem a bit obvious, and is probably not worth me mentioning.. However, to those who are crashing on map change - when was the last time you defragmented your HDD? I suggest you try doing that; a program called diskeeper (search for it on google) is excellent at doing so.

 

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Correlation?

 

You know, if it WAS the skin causing the problem, then the other 3000 or so people using it would be having problems as well.

 

I've only put 3 on, the three I needed to play on the server I like. NeCrO, PKKyle, and DarkKyle. Besides, other people on the same server weren't having problems, and they had to have the skins as well.

 

I posted a question a long time ago, and it seems I was the first one to post problems with this bug, thing, or whatever it is. Of course, nobody replied.

 

I have narrowed it down to several things, all of which were changed immediately before I started having these problems.

 

1) Using ctf maps for FFA. I managed to do one map change successfully on an FFA map, after the server switched back from the ctf maps. I doubt this is it, but it's a possibility.

 

2) New skins, and the 16&32 bit kernels. It's a possibility, unless XP runs a complete 32 kernel.

 

3) You must have the 'Ready' thingy beside your name on the 'Score List' that appears when you go through a map change. The one time I did a map change, I had 'Ready' beside my name.

 

4) Bug.

 

I had no problem switching maps, until two things changed:

 

I installed skins, and the server started using ctf maps for ffa. What I may do, is re-install JKII, and then install the three skins I need, and see if it still happens.

 

*EDIT*

 

I'll defrag my HD and see if it helps. Thanks for the suggestion.

 

*ENDEDIT*

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Originally posted by Kataarn

You know, if it WAS the skin causing the problem, then the other 3000 or so people using it would be having problems as well.

 

That's the main point of my posts here. If this was a "show stopper" bug that Raven left in the game, it would be far more common. I've played, and seen JK2 played, on a number of oddball rigs that include (but are not limited to) the following hardware:

 

CPU

AMD Athlon (various cores)

AMD Duron (various cores)

Intel P3

Intel Celeron

Intel P4

 

MEMORY

64-512 MB, SDR, DDR, RD

 

VIDEO CARD

Pretty much everything nVidia has released since TNT2

Several ATI Radeons

Matrox G450

 

SOUND

Various models of SB Live

Various mutt sound cards floating around the office

 

OS

Windows 98, 2000, XP Pro

 

MAINBOARD

All sorts of mainboard, please don't ask me to quote chipsets :), suffice it to say some pretty good ones and some pretty awful ones.

 

 

I've yet to see, or have reported to me by the people I know personally, any problem like what is being discussed here. My whole point is, there is an absolutely huge list of things that could be causing or contributing to this problem.

 

My assertion here is that Raven is not necessarily an evil horde of developers that have released this game full of nasty bugs. More likely they are like every other reputable development firm out there, and they missed a quirky little bug that makes 1% (or maybe less) of systems barf on MP map changes (some of the time). Welcome to the PC game development world, where unlike with consoles and such, you have to develop for long lists of specialised equipment. Bugs like this get through beta because if a company like Raven took the time to test every possible configuration, if that's even possible, then by the time the game was ready for release nobody would be using that equipment anymore.

 

Here's something I haven't seen anyone mention...how's your net connection. What are your PL stats like?

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you know I was just thinking, I am coming to this game from Tribes 2. lol, I think it's possible my tolerance for game problems has gone up,

 

for those who don't know, Tribes 2 has had like, a dozen patches, and at least one, maybe 2 patch reversals, lol, in ONE year since release. and some people are STILL plagued with "show stopping" unhandled exception errors occuring very very frequently.

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Originally posted by RiverWalker

you know I was just thinking, I am coming to this game from Tribes 2. lol, I think it's possible my tolerance for game problems has gone up,

 

for those who don't know, Tribes 2 has had like, a dozen patches, and at least one, maybe 2 patch reversals, lol, in ONE year since release. and some people are STILL plagued with "show stopping" unhandled exception errors occuring very very frequently.

 

:rofl:

I'm a T2 player as well, and I'd count myself as probably being in the 1% or so of people least effected by bugs, but JK2 is still lightyears more stable for me (and everyone I know). Anyone who thinks they're having a bad experience with JK2 should go pick up a copy of T2.

 

(for anyone who thinks we're joking about the bugginess of Tribes 2, there's actually a bug in the launcher that prevents some people from being able to apply the game patches)

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I disagree with the notion that patches don't really give anything back to the company. Someone had said earlier that the patching is a long process and doesn't really pay off for the company.

 

With PC gaming being the way that it is, many games are rushed out with bugs and need company support to fix them. Gamers know this. If they know a company has a spotty reputation for supporting their games, they'll look elsewhere when making a purchase. I know I certainly will.

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Originally posted by PhilCanuck

I'm a T2 player as well, and I'd count myself as probably being in the 1% or so of people least effected by bugs, but JK2 is still lightyears more stable for me (and everyone I know). Anyone who thinks they're having a bad experience with JK2 should go pick up a copy of T2.

 

Haha.. so true. :)

 

It's fascinating so many T2 players like this game.

 

I think all the force, saber, and stuff replace the vehicles and jetpacks pretty well - in fact, in someways, it's better - I control my 'deeeeeeeeeeeestiiiiiiiiiiiiny'.

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I talked with the lead programmer for JK2 at Raven the other day. A patch is in the works. Yes, they have SoF2 coming out soon, but that's a different team of people working on it. No, they have not abandoned the JK2 project and aren't likely to. I don't think LucasArts would appreciate it too much if they did. Right now, there is a rather nasty problem with setting up a few dedicated server options that requires a great deal of planning before actually implementing that plan (server admins know what I'm talking about).

 

The reason Raven isn't talking is because they are busy and would rather spend their time working on these issues rather than surfing multiple message boards and leaving daily updates (which would inevitably be flamed to hell). That takes time. I don't even know if the patch has been approved for development by Activision (though I'm sure it has). In the end, it's their call.

 

In the words of master Yoda, "Patience"

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Originally posted by PhilCanuck

I've yet to see, or have reported to me by the people I know personally, any problem like what is being discussed here. My whole point is, there is an absolutely huge list of things that could be causing or contributing to this problem.

 

Then check out one of the first few pages in the Patch Thread. I posted this problem a LONG time ago. I haven't had more than a few crashes on MP map change (four or five) but they've happened. I also get stuttering problems on hitting tab.

 

And ANYONE that tells me that the stuttering problem is CPU or RAM related doesn't know what they're talking about. I've got a P4 1.4GHz machine running with 384MB of RAM. Running an ATI. With a Soundblaster Live! Value. So no, the crashes aren't related to anything hardware either.

 

However...

 

There was a post a while back about an email someone got from Raven, saying they were looking over the list of bugs/enhancements listed in the thread STARTED BY RAVEN for that VERY PURPOSE and deciding what would be patched and what wouldn't be. So all of you who are complaining that Raven isn't doing anything hasn't looked at the very top of this forum. There's a thread there (STARTED BY RAVEN) for bugs and enhancements to be placed in a patch.

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Just to clarify (again), it is not my opinion that this game is perfectly stable and does not require a patch. I'm simply defending Raven (who I think did a wonderful job) from people who flame them for releasing a "buggy" game. In a time when many developers gleefully release beta products as retail builds (or "Special Alpha Builds" in the case of T2 ;)), JO looks like a superior product to me.

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If your game works READ!

 

All you people who are mad about everyone complaining about how jk2 doesnt work on their computers and it is just them need to stfu. It is rediculous just because it works on yours doesnt mean it works on everyones. Go to the tech page and you will see tons of people have the same or simuliar problems. Far More than a game should. I know 7 people who bought this game and for 3 of them it does not work. And you will notice raven is no where to be found in the tech forum.

 

On another note i can not play jk2 on my better computer! I dont know why but my 1.6p4, 512 ram, Geforce3,sb live wont run it. Freezes all the time. While my pIII 550, 256 ram, generic sound card, and an ati 16mb card will run it fine.

 

Why, because this game is full of problems. Lucas arts should of never let raven make it. 20 bucks says all the talent there is working on perfecting, something that wasnt done with jk2, sof2!

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Originally posted by tfp321

All you people who are mad about everyone complaining about how jk2 doesnt work on their computers and it is just them need to stfu. It is rediculous just because it works on yours doesnt mean it works on everyones. Go to the tech page and you will see tons of people have the same or simuliar problems. Far More than a game should. I know 7 people who bought this game and for 3 of them it does not work. And you will notice raven is no where to be found in the tech forum.

 

 

Terrific, I know 10 who bought it and have no problems. Plus, am I the only one who would rather have Raven working on a patch instead of surfing 500 message boards?

 

 

Originally posted by tfp321

On another note i can not play jk2 on my better computer! I dont know why but my 1.6p4, 512 ram, Geforce3,sb live wont run it. Freezes all the time. While my pIII 550, 256 ram, generic sound card, and an ati 16mb card will run it fine.

 

 

OS? Mainboard? Driver versions? MP or SP? Does it freeze while doing any particular task? Background tasks? What other apps are on your P4 that aren't on your P3? There's a few reasons why your post couldn't possibly be constructive in any way - it tells me nothing about why you are having a problem.

 

 

Originally posted by tfp321

Why, because this game is full of problems. Lucas arts should of never let raven make it. 20 bucks says all the talent there is working on perfecting, something that wasnt done with jk2, sof2!

 

Raven are one of the more reputable dev companies going right now. I have literally never had a problem with any product from Raven. JK2 and SoF2 are being handled by entirely different dev teams, JK2 developers aren't being stolen for SoF2. Plus, it was clearly a very talented group that produced JK2. Raven says they're working on a patch. There are "official" bug threads for them to read, and I certainly hope they're not wasting valuable time reading trash like your post.

 

In closing, your post was useless, and completely unproductive. You slandered a reputable and talented dev team and didn't even bother to provide them with any useful information with which they could help you. I am left to conclude that you, sir, are an idiot.

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i've had very limited issues with JK2. I was able to narrow down the whole problem to my keyboard hotkeys (for which there are a forward and back hotkey right near my arrow keys) and if i accidentally press one during game while the program that controls the hotkeys is running it bombs. i close the keyboard control prog, works fine. system specs for home are:

 

AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.2 GHz

Abit KT7A-RAID (This board sucks however, getting a new one soon :D )

1 Gb PC133 SDRAM

ASUS V7700 Geforce 2 GTS 32 Mb

Hercules Game Theater XP

60Gb WD HDD

16x Toshiba DVD-ROM

24/10/40 LG CD-RW

a zip 250 drive

19 inch viewsonic A90f monitor

 

specs for (*cough*work*cough*)

750Mhz-E PII

256Mb RDRAM

32 Mb Diamond Viper

30 gb WD HDD

i dunno what speed CD-ROM, i usually use my burner

8x burner

asus mobo

17 inch acer monitor

 

i have not once had a single problem on my work machine. runs perfect. my home machine, only problem was with the keyboard program running, in all seriousness, raven is doing a lot right now, it's not like they're sitting around on their asses. I've played the SoF2 mp test and damn is it nice. they're working on getting that finished as well as patch JK2, release SDKs, and a whole bunch of other stuff. Believe me, Raven will do it. if they don't less people will buy the game, which means less money for raven. also, to the guy who said LucasArts should have never let Raven make it: you're a ****in moron. This game is awesome. I've been playing shooter based games for a long time now, and have seen some impressive games but JK2 takes the cake when it comes to the Q3 engine. JK2 and SoF2 are definitely the two best games so far to take advantage of the technology of the q3 engine. just be glad they didn't decide to use the UT engine. it's buggier than ****. i've seen more problems with games based on ut than i have with those based off of q3. mr, you need a reality check, go back to playing quake 2 like a good little peon and stay the **** off these boards if you're gonna slam this wonderful game. thank you. g'bye

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just be glad they didn't decide to use the UT engine. it's buggier than ****. i've seen more problems with games based on ut than i have with those based off of q3.

 

.......Hmmm, have any concrete facts to back up that bold statement?:rolleyes:

-The Q3 engine is very pretty but thats about it. The gameplay diversity sucks and the general player movement feel to the Q3 engine based games suck. Also, the Q3 engine sucks major a$$ when it comes to large open/outdoor maps. Compare UNREAL/UT engine and Q3 engine gameplay side by side for awhile and you'll notice the huge difference. As far as gameplay/netcoding goes, the Unreal/UT engine is the best thing to grace the PC gaming world. Both engines are damn good but the Q3 engine is very lacking in gameplay feel/diversity in general.Also, the UNREAL2 engine will revolutionize the PC FPS gaming world as we know it! FagBoy Carmack is going to sh!t his adult-diapers if he has'nt already;) -I'm not trying to flame you or anything like that, just giving my rather opinionated views on the subject matter at hand:) ......just the facts;)

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