PiousAugustus99 Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 I sure hope so, as it is there are tons of people who love this game but hundreds of them pirated it...Hard part of course is figuring out how to do this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ER1 Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 Impossible, because each copy is EXACTLY indentical. If i never looked at the cd cover i will have no idea if its pirated or not. Unless of course, each copy is stamped with its own "blueprint", but that is unlikely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobydoo Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 Having bought the game, I'm always annoyed at having to have the original in the drive when I play; I use the machine for other things during the day, watch the odd DVD, etc, so I did find it useful to get the no cd patch which allows me to put the disk away in the box. This, unfortunately, allows less scrupulous people to make a pirate copy. Even though most hacker teams encourage you to buy software if you like it, I'm sure the majority don't. Does anyone remember when software manuals postively encouraged you to make a backup before installing it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dvlos Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 Buy this game. So LucasArts can make more, thats what I say. If everyone had broadband and pirated the game, LucasArts will look at their profit and go "HOT DAMN! We made $10.00 on this game!!" and not make JK3 or 4, or patch it, or care. What will happen is the death of PC gaming. As they move towards areas that SEEM more profitable, for the most part I have found that most people don't know how to copy for example a PS2 game. I think that is why PS2 games appear to be yielding a higher profit for companies. If piracy gets REAL BAD, I'm willing to bet the only kinds of games available for the PC in the next 2-3 years will be MMO (massive mulitiplayer online) which will require you to pay per month to play their game. It's a shame really since the PC is a much better platform than any console, JK2 with its online play proves it. I know most PC games you can't rent, buy, or try. In some cases I'll admit I have snagged a ripped copy of a game to try it. BUT if I DO LIKE IT, I'll go get it. keep the books manuals and everything. I have a good size collection at home of like 55 games, dating back to MW2!! and some that I have tossed away. No one's rich, so its stupid to fork over cash for every pc game known to man just to keep the industry alive, but pirating games hurts all PC gamers in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D66 Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 Unfortunatly Raven/LA missed the opportunity to require a CD key that is checked upon attempt to join Internet multiplayer... While not a perfect protection, it does thin the heard for pirates. I know several people that pirate often but went and bought their own copies of HalfLife thanks to the WonID/CDkey check system they had. But the game had no key, thus nothing is coded in to Identify the Installs. Now, weeks after release, it is too lat to impliment any thing of this sort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sontarian Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 Let me tell you something guys. Do you know that there is no box game in most of west couintries like Turkey.In turkey you can find JO for just 1 dollar.ONLY 1 DOLLAR...There are much more serious problems.This countries goverments accept the illegal copies of this games and allow anyone to copy and sell them.Did you heard that before? So the problem is too serious? I paid 45€ (euro) to my JO but a guy in Turkey just pays 1 dollar to have a copy of JO and play it free on the net.I dont why Raven allow them to play it on the net , why didnt they make a CD-KEY.Yeah Turkey's economy isnt so good and everyone cantgive 45-50 dollar to a game but Raven could make a price for them like 15-20 dollars.If they did this at least they could make some profit and also they could show respect to us who paid this game 45-50 dollars to buy by doing that.Am I wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudonym Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 The CD key thing can help a little. But often times CD keys are stolen and then implemented into a crack for the pirated versions. And in Half-Life, cheaters that have been banned from numorous servers will try to aquire another CDkey so they can get back in. And if an innocent person who has had their key taken tries to play while someone else is using it, they'll recieve an error message and are SOL for playing on MP. So I'm kind of glad Raven didn't put one in, but they should have some form of protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PainGod Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 Last time I checked, earlier this week, the game was selling great. The piracy of the CDs is a non-issue with this one due to the positive buzz surrounding it. There are many who don't know how to copy games, you know. There are many who don't even know how to post on a forum.... think about the numbers. Pirates are a minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooNBB Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 The didn't implement anti-piracy because th cost per copy to license a protection/ implement a protection would have eaten into profits. There has yet to be an anti-piracy that wasn't cracked almost instantly and the pirates are almost ALWAYS going to pirate. The best way to avoid piracy is to make a Double CD game for UNDER $30. That way (at least to me) it is more pain to copy than to just go buy the thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zufuss Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 personally i doubt there are many people in turkey that can even afford a computer. let alone one up to date enough to run jk2. I doubt turkey's black market for games is much of the concern of raven. Heck do they even ship games to turkey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrebel Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 also keep in mind that some of us who downloaded the "pre retail release" version also own the game. The only difference between you and i is my CD still has the shrink wrap on it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moleculor Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 If the patch that they ARE working on requires a CD to install, you might just see a reduction in the number of people who're playing online with warez versions. The thing that bugs me the most about those guys is they didn't get/read the manual, so I have to explain things to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrebel Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 Originally posted by Moleculor If the patch that they ARE working on requires a CD to install, you might just see a reduction in the number of people who're playing online with warez versions. The thing that bugs me the most about those guys is they didn't get/read the manual, so I have to explain things to them. you can still et around that using daeom-tools. Thats what i do. I just mount the jk2.bin file into my virtual cdrom drive. Windows thinks its an actual cdrom. The coolest thing though is i dont need a no-cd crack since it thinks the CD is loaded all the time. All the while my cd is shrink wrapped thus maintaining maximum collectors value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fyunch Click Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 So by breaking the law originally and then buying yourself a copy you think you are ok right? Dude, you still broke the law. You still downloaded an illegal version. A stolen copy. Sure you bought a legal copy. You aren't using it, you are saving it to be a collector's item. Do you realize how stupid that sounds? Do you know how many copies of the game were produced? How many copies of the Collectors Tin were produced? Do you seriously believe that anyone in their right minds is going to pay you the face value of the amount you paid for the software in 5 years? In 10 years? If so, I feel for you and your deluded state. And to come on a message board where the Dev team reads posts and to post freely that you downloaded an illegal copy of the game is not just stupid it's asinine. You need to rexamine your thought processes because you've missed some rungs in your ladder of logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooNBB Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 Whatever... All the Devs care about with this is the Ca-Chink of the sale! Don't you imagine they pirate the game for their own friends? Well, they do. Don't you imagine they download the No-CD cracks so they don't have to take CDs everywhere they go... They Do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fyunch Click Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 Right!!!! (as if the Devs would need no-cd cracks. You crack me up! LOL! They Wrote the damn thing!) You obviously didn't read some of their posts from the threads that were going on in the two weeks before release when the only people that had the game WERE the warez kiddies. [/sARCASM] You are so smart, they were so Supportive of the warez folks, they encouraged them, they wanted them to play, they wanted them to take money out of their pockets, they wanted they to squander the time they had spent over the previous 2 years on the game, the 80 hour weeks, the no weekends and no time off...[/end SARCASM] These guys spent 2 years of their lives creating this games for you. If you stole it, that's right, STOLE, as in didn't pay for it then you are a thief pure and simple and no amount of rationalization, no twisted logic can change that fact. I don't care if you buy a copy after the fact, it's still theft. You don't go into a grocery store, take food and tell them you'll pay them in two or three weeks if you like the food. Sorry, software piracy is wrong. End of story. Thanks for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts for you. Buh-Bye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrebel Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 Originally posted by Fyunch Click So by breaking the law originally and then buying yourself a copy you think you are ok right? Dude, you still broke the law. You still downloaded an illegal version. A stolen copy. Sure you bought a legal copy. You aren't using it, you are saving it to be a collector's item. Do you realize how stupid that sounds? Do you know how many copies of the game were produced? How many copies of the Collectors Tin were produced? Do you seriously believe that anyone in their right minds is going to pay you the face value of the amount you paid for the software in 5 years? In 10 years? If so, I feel for you and your deluded state. And to come on a message board where the Dev team reads posts and to post freely that you downloaded an illegal copy of the game is not just stupid it's asinine. You need to rexamine your thought processes because you've missed some rungs in your ladder of logic. lol the collectors item thing is a joke duh!. what are the devs going to do? sue me for downloading something that i had paid in full since december? I think not. I own their game. I just got to play the single player a few days before you. whos to say im not just braggin? whos to say i really didnt just make an image off the retail cd and use that. The point is, right now im using a legal backup image that allows me to not worry about the cd in the drive BS and also protects my CD from damage. I wouldnt be surprised if one of the devs leaked the game in the first place. It has happened before (not necissarily by raven but other software devs have admited to leaking to the warez scene). Bottom line. I paid in full for JK2 before it was ever released. They have my money. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiverWalker Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 rebel, you still do not understand the concept of how software "ownership" works do you? "I own their game." no, you don't, they still do, even once you've paid for it, and technically they can legally take it from you, just because you downloaded it early. you purchased a lease to use their software. nothing more, they retain full ownership at all times. "Don't you imagine they pirate the game for their own friends? Well, they do. " why the hell would they??? I imagine they have acess to an unlimited amount of legitimate copies that they can hand out for nothing! geeze... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrebel Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 no i fully understand software licensing. by ownership i mean i own the physical CD the data is written on. This legally is mine and legally i can make a backup copy. They own the IP ON the cd but the physical CD is mine. That they cannont take away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fyunch Click Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 Actually, no. The media it's written on has nothing to do with it. It's still the software that is on it. If you want a blank cd I'm sure they'll give you one in trade. There have been examples of software licenses being pulled and it is the MEDIA that is pulled from the site. Otherwise they could re-install the software. Duh. Read the agreement carefully. It's a lot more limiting than you might think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 Allow me to reiterate, that our official site policy is to discourage software piracy, especially of LEC games, since they're our friends and visit our sites regularly. We reserve the right to edit or ban any postings we feel are inappropriate on this subject. Raven and LEC put a lot of work into the game. If they could implement some protection to cut down on the number of pirates clogging the servers, I'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrebel Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 no, the physical media i own. can they revoke the license? yes, if the media isnt removed can i reinstall it? yes, but it wont be legal. there have been alot of court cases about this. the physical media is owned by the end customer regardless of what is written on it. either way it doesnt ****ing matter. if they revoked my license i would still be playing their game . they have my money thats all that counts in this software game anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madrebel Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 Originally posted by Kurgan Allow me to reiterate, that our official site policy is to discourage software piracy, especially of LEC games, since they're our friends and visit our sites regularly. We reserve the right to edit or ban any postings we feel are inappropriate on this subject. Raven and LEC put a lot of work into the game. If they could implement some protection to cut down on the number of pirates clogging the servers, I'm all for it. no offense mr kurgan but i mean come on wtf. clogging the servers? jk2 isnt exactly tearing it up in the number of people online category. i agree raven deserves all the money they can get BUT. I dont think it was ravens call on this game. LucasArts, if worried, could have easily licensed the Q3 authentication scheme. I mean for christ's sake there isnt even a CD key for JK2. An after purchase patch IMO is no place for including some sort of piracy prevention. That should be in the retail release or not at all. Dont waste time trying to patch in this stuff when you could be working on more game content. just my $.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MankaCat Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 Originally posted by scoobydoo Having bought the game, I'm always annoyed at having to have the original in the drive when I play; I use the machine for other things during the day, watch the odd DVD, etc, so I did find it useful to get the no cd patch which allows me to put the disk away in the box. This, unfortunately, allows less scrupulous people to make a pirate copy. Even though most hacker teams encourage you to buy software if you like it, I'm sure the majority don't. Does anyone remember when software manuals postively encouraged you to make a backup before installing it ? you advocate no-cd as both a tool for convenience for owners and piracy for non-owners. But you fail to see that a pirate can have a cd too 'burned copy' and the most common and most damaging form of piracy is when an owner lends out his copy, which gives that person an actual cd as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LooNBB Posted April 25, 2002 Share Posted April 25, 2002 Okay... you OBVIOUSLY know the game industry better than I do. The devs do use the No-CD cracks 'cause when the production version comes out they are just as subjest to the CD check as we are... and well, not having to use a CD is just more convinient. I'm done here... all these Warez and Copyright rants are always the same. Pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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