Saberlock Sure Winner Everytime!!!!!!

[Sinister69]

hey all, searched all over the forums and never got an answer, so i started experimenting.

 

i was wondering if you could write a script that would allow you to win in a saberlock all the time. it gets tiring hitting my mouse button all the time, and most of the time i wouldn't win the saberlock.

 

so, i wrote a script for it, and every lock since i wrote it i have won.

 

anyone interested let me know.

 

and don't start flaming me because "it's a cheat" . it's not a cheat. people write scripts like this all the time. at least i'm not using a glitch in the program to "lie down and play dead while still alive" like others i have seen, or using the kyle hands or something like that.

 

these are commands and variables that you can put in. like binding keys to do certain things.

[ACGe0rge]

I'm not going to flame you, but I do think you are using a cheat. Jsut because others have written scrips to make the gaem easier for them, doesnt mean it's not cheating. I hope you dont use this on Pure servers.

 

I agree that hitting that mouse button can get to be a pain during a saber lock. It is especially bad if the guy you are locking with hits his at about the same speed making the lock last a while. There is a way to disable saber locking so you might want to find servers that have done this.

 

The reason I consider this a cheat, is because it is something that is not meant for people to do. Just because it's not as bad as other codes like the invisible skin, doesnt make it any less a cheat. IMO any program editing thta makes the game easier for you and harder for those you are playing, is cheating. I bet the people who you keep beating in saber locks would agree with me if they knew what you were doing.

 

Again, there are plenty of cheating" servers out there to play on for those who like to edit the game. But those players who play on Pure servers expect that everyone will be on equal ground with only their skill to give them an edge. This includes the skills required to break saber locks. Just because you arent very good at it, does not mean its OK to cheat you way through it.

 

As I said, I dont mean this as a flame and wrote it in a very calm manner. I know it most likely wont change your mind but I think you need to understand how those of us who dont use any scripts or codes feel about these things no matter how insignificant you might find them.

[Raith]

How is that not cheating ? You are manipulating the game to gain an unfair advantage.

 

 

 

Some people just dont get it

[Vestril]

I just wanted to say that I agree with AcG, throw another opinion into the poll

 

I mean, I don't know how to write scripts for these games, and granted I could learn, but how would that make gameplay more fun? If everyone started to use these scripts what would happen?

[Sinister69]

i expected there would be people that don't like it, but there are plenty of other games out where people use burst fire scripts, and things like that. i don't think a burst fire script is cheating, though i have never used one. people have scripts to change weapons and stuff like that. that's not cheating.

 

i think as long as you aren't altering game code, it should be ok.

 

I also thank you AcG for discussing in a calm and rational manner. i know there are others out there who would have resorted to calling names and i appreciate your input.

 

I'm not into using stuff like this alot, but since saberlocks are so rare, I wanted to try and see if I could do something about it. Through trial and error I came up with my script and it works. I'll let others figure it out for themselves how it works. It is possible to do, and no, it's not binding a key to +attack, wait, -attack and so on.

 

Anyways, it's the only one I use, saberlocks are rare, so I don't use it often. Other than that I am a decent duelist. there are a heck of alot of people out there that are better than me, and a few that are worse than I am.

 

Happy dueling!!!

[Vestril]

i expected there would be people that don't like it, but there are plenty of other games out where people use burst fire scripts, and things like that. i don't think a burst fire script is cheating, though i have never used one. people have scripts to change weapons and stuff like that. that's not cheating.

 

I suppose, in theory you could say that that is no different from, say, altering your key configuration for optimal performance. I could say that because most people don't know how use scripts in that way, it is an advantage that most people do not have unlike a key config, but then, you could argue that altering my key config gives me an advantage over those who are so computer illiterate that they don't know how to change that.

 

I guess it's all a matter of where you draw the line, I would say, though, that an easy way to look at it is to ask yourself 'if everyone had this, would the game still be fun?' if the answer is no, then by using it you are adding to what you percieve as a problem, which doesn't seem cool to me. If the answer is yes, then more power to you and spread it around :-)

[Tekken]

Hmmm.

 

I say it's not cheating. An 'advantage', yes, but not cheating.

 

In this particular case, locking happens so relatively infrequently that I feel it's silly to argue over this.

 

That said, I have to comment on 'attack scripts'. While not cheating, it IS kind of lame, imo. Personally, I think scripting an attack is a mistake, because you end up perfoming the same move the same way everytime (unless you're REALLY creative when it comes to creating scripts). Plus, the average player will be able to deal with it. The above average player will end up destroying you.

 

Script kiddies come and go, but the good players will always come out on top....

[Lord Slart]

I was there when Sinister was testing and it definately gives an advantage. I did not lock with him myself but others did and always lost. I would consider this cheating as it gives an unfair advantage.

 

What would happen if two people with the script sabre locked though who would win?

 

As was said before it wouldn't be cheating if everyone had it but then what would be the point in that?

 

I won't use it and I sometimes win locks and sometimes don't. All is fair without it why change things.

 

Perhaps you should use your scripting skills to find a solution to bugs and cheaters and not giving you an advantage over others.

[Sinister69]

I just got finished playing someone on duel, we saberlocked and I lost. i guess it's not a sure winner everytime. I talked to the guy and he was just pressing the attack button a hell of a lotta times.

 

so see, guys, doesn't give me a big advantage, just saves me from having to keep pressing attack all the time

[Darth Viersaan]

The JK2MP.cfg is there for you to configure your game, and if binding attacks and etc. is available then it's not a cheat.

 

If you could post your little script here, I could think up of a counter for it.

 

If I can't then I'll dub it as a cheat.

[Soul-Burn]

\bind x "+attack;wait;-attack;wait+attack;wait;-attack;wait+attack;wait;-attack;wait+attack;wait;-attack;wait"

 

^^ Is the most primitive form of this... but after u win, it might get u stuck attacking the air without moving...

 

I think it's a mistake on Raven's side to make it only by key mashing.

 

You say "most people here don't know to write scipts".

 

Well, most people don't even know to use the Console. Does it make it cheating? No. Many people don't know to do specific moves, is that cheating? No.

[Darth Viersaan]

A nice little turn could break that in two seconds lol...

[SnowMongoose]

It is NOT a cheat.

 

Just means that the person using has invested more time/energy into the game than you have.

If I got into more saber locks I might set that up...

but I would bind it so it started when I hit the key, and stoped when I hit it again.

 

Binds/scripts = LEGAL

just meant for the more advanced players out there.

(anyway, even n00bs can find them online..one in this thread!)

 

Snow

[Vestril]

You say "most people here don't know to write scipts".

 

Well, most people don't even know to use the Console. Does it make it cheating? No. Many people don't know to do specific moves, is that cheating? No.

 

Didn't I already respond to that? in my same post? I was talking about key configs but that was just one example.

 

I suppose, in theory you could say that that is no different from, say, altering your key configuration for optimal performance. I could say that because most people don't know how use scripts in that way, it is an advantage that most people do not have unlike a key config, but then, you could argue that altering my key config gives me an advantage over those who are so computer illiterate that they don't know how to change that.

 

I was simply making a point about scripts and cheating in general- that if, when everyone uses them, the game becomes less fun, you should use them. Did I say that this was a case of that? No, I was simply asking that you keep that in mind when creating these things, if you do it will lead to better gameplay all around, and is actually a good way of defining morality in general...ok I won't go so far OT as to start talking about morality....lol

[Soul-Burn]

Btw, I forgot to notice that I made this script not to specifically to win locks, I made it cuz I knew that if I mash my mouse too much, it'll stop working and that's not a price I wanna pay.

[leelink]

Originally posted by SnowMongoose

It is NOT a cheat.

 

Just means that the person using has invested more time/energy into the game than you have.

If I got into more saber locks I might set that up...

but I would bind it so it started when I hit the key, and stoped when I hit it again.

 

Binds/scripts = LEGAL

just meant for the more advanced players out there.

(anyway, even n00bs can find them online..one in this thread!)

 

Snow

 

 

why not just bind it to one key and have the script toggle on and off. Easier : )

 

I also agree about the mouse. that was my first complaint about Saber Locks is that Microsoft or Logitech must invent that stuff so they can get people to buy new mice. No more mice balls so they have to invent stuff for you to mash the hell out of your mouse.

[SnowMongoose]

Bah..that would work too....

oh well...

 

a REALLY sweet thing for dark to do...

do the script...then have it grip when you end it ...mean!

(assuming you can grip downed opponents)

 

Snow

[deliboy007]

I would consider that cheating. Once someone is being cheap it makes me want to go after them more though, like people who stand out of the action and fire rockets into the fray. However i must admit to the satisfaction of force pushing their rocket back at them. Anyways, it's better to learn fair and square like the rest of us. For those of you that are tired of mashing your mouse, I have a nice setup with primary fire mapped to "D"

[Kurgan]

I have a question for you guys.. what if I'm playing with a joystick, that has turbo fire ability (as many joysticks do) and use this to win saber locks.

 

Is this "cheating" ?

 

The other question to ask yourself is, what if two people come into a saberlock with that script? Is it still cheating if they both have it?

[Soul-Burn]

Kurgan made my point here..

 

Your exactly right... Raven should have thought of it.. Mashing keys is good for Arcades, not for normal PCs...

[spacelord]

I must say that the key mashing is a poor solution for saberlocks, especially when you consider the joystick aspect of it.

 

If it's a cheat or not that's hard to say, if you win everytime then I would say it's a cheat if you stand a chance of losing then not.

[DerthNader]

Originally posted by Raith

How is that not cheating ? You are manipulating the game to gain an unfair advantage.

 

Some people just dont get it

 

Quite. I believe this falls under the category of an exploit. Bascially manupulating the game to gain an unfair imbalance in the gameplay. I'd consider a cheat to be more along the lines of cheating skins or aimbots etc.

 

Having said this it still sucks & the loophole deserves to be closed in the next patch.

[*T¥RANITH*]

Imo, the saber lock was implemented as a way of testing another skill. I can press the mouse button on my mouse EXTREMELY fast, and I consider this as an advantage in skill that I have over players that don't.

You are taking away something that helps make me a good player, and I hate the idea of this.

What you are saying, is that you lack the skill to do something yourself, and write a script/bind to help you with it. How is this any different from someone who can't aim, and uses an aimbot to help them to?

As for:

It is NOT a cheat.

 

Just means that the person using has invested more time/energy into the game than you have.

If I got into more saber locks I might set that up...

but I would bind it so it started when I hit the key, and stoped when I hit it again.

 

So what you are saying, is that someone who invests enough time into making a hack for the game, should be ALLOWED to use it because he made it himself?? I doubt it.

 

Also:

I have a question for you guys.. what if I'm playing with a joystick, that has turbo fire ability (as many joysticks do) and use this to win saber locks.

 

Is this "cheating" ?

 

The other question to ask yourself is, what if two people come into a saberlock with that script? Is it still cheating if they both have it?

 

First of all yes I consider it cheating if two people with the script come into a saber lock with each other. What would u say if two people using aimbots went against each other? That they weren't cheating because they both used it? Ok YES it becomes less of an advantage when u go against someone using the same thing, but what about us people who want to play the game FAIRLY and want to rely on our own skills to win saber locks?

I played a game called CounterStrike, you have probably heard of it. There was a weapon in this that worked better the faster you could fire it (the double berettas) I LOVED these weapons because of my skill with pressing the mouse button, however many people bound the attack to the mouse wheel and just scrolled it. I also considered this cheating because it was exploiting the system.

As for using this tactic in saber locks , it is cheating even more. The system was DESIGNED to give advantages to certain people who could fire the attack button more quickly (just as people who can aim well, and have quick reactions, have more of an advantage) but not to people who could just stick in a script and win every time, because this is NOT skill. I could do this easily but I don't because I like to think that because I use my innate skills I am a better (and more honourable) player for it.

It is difficult, I agree, to draw the line between a 'cheat' and an 'advantage'. What I consider cheating, is to use the system in a DIFFERENT way to what the designers intended... and this is what your script is doing.

 

Oh and looking at it another way, do you really think that you would be allowed to use that script in a professional game? If you have ANY aspirations for bettering yourself and your skills, then drop the script and fight PROPERLY.

[ACGe0rge]

Originally posted by SnowMongoose

It is NOT a cheat.

 

Just means that the person using has invested more time/energy into the game than you have.

If I got into more saber locks I might set that up...

but I would bind it so it started when I hit the key, and stoped when I hit it again.

 

Binds/scripts = LEGAL

just meant for the more advanced players out there.

(anyway, even n00bs can find them online..one in this thread!)

 

Snow

 

I have to take issue with this as well. It's one thing if these "advanced" users make sure they dont play on Pure servers, quite another if they do. I know how to make scripts but choose not to becasue I think they take away from the game. The idea is to be a good player, not a good script writer. I for one want to know that when I beat someone, i did it because I had better game skills. I also like to think that when someone beats me, it's because they had better game skills. I would rather be beat and realize I need more practice than have to think about whether I need to write better scripts.

 

As I said in an earlier post, feel free to use anyhting you want in non Pure servers. Pure servers should be reserved for those who want to be on an equal playing field with only thier actual gaming skills to aid them.

 

Originally posted by Sinister69

i think as long as you aren't altering game code, it should be ok.

 

But you are altering game code. The only thing you were meant to alter are the things you see in the setup menu. Beyond that, you are changing the game program. Granted, there are things you can change that arent cheating. Binding a key for taking screen shots does change the programming beyond the setup menu, but does not change gameplay. Same with using skins. You can alter or add skins but this wont really change the game (unless it's an invisible skin like the arms only one). What matters is that you are changing the game program to give you an advantage over other people. Even though saber locks are a realatively minor issue, you can still beat someone just by hiting them while they recover. You can also keep yourself from losing by never having to worry about that recovery time after losing a saber lock.

 

 

Originally posted by Sinister69

I also thank you AcG for discussing in a calm and rational manner. i know there are others out there who would have resorted to calling names and i appreciate your input.

 

Thanks . I also appreciate your mature manner on this issue. I have to wonder about those who feel a need to name call or throw a fit when someone disagrees with them. I have had some heated debates with people but was still able to stay mature and respectful. When I see people who feel a need flame others, I have to laugh. They just dont get how immature and ignorant they sound.

[R3mmus]

What would happen if 2 people, both running a "win saberlock every time" script ended up in saberlock? Would anyone win of would it just last forever?